SVP - when & where?

[Dayen]

Originally Posted by rolf

"Passing the trial according to the Trial Rules satisfies the conditions of the working trial for awarding of the title International Beauty Champion – FCI." ....If FCI have approved SVP1 as working trial for International beauty Champion, then offcourse it must be good enough for national Champion title too !?!? ....at least this is my opinion

If I get this right, then when sveral CACT`s is collected you can be working Champion ....that must also mean that you can show your dog in working class ??? ...or how can you be working Champion without working certificat ??? ....sorry, but to me that sounds crazy

I'm sorry I haven't much time for answer now, just this thing:

Every country has different rules for championship. In SK dog doesn't need any working trial to be Slovak Champion of Beauty. Also, in Slovakia, you can get CACT for SVP1 (first dog get it) - so dog can be Slovak Champion of work with just SPV1 - it's very comic situation, don't you thing? So I'm sorry for the mistake, I didn't wrote the country in the title.

But in CZ, you dog must have working certificate (to say in different way - must done a trial that really satisfies international conditions).

There is something wrong with SVP, because only country that allows you to get International Champion for a dog with only SVP is only Slovakia Here in CZ they would think you are kindding in the office, if you want IntCh with just a ZVP or SVP.

Problem is that some things have loose ends. I don't understand SK conditions either, because SVP DOESN'T satisfies the conditions of the INTERNATIONAL working trial, even if SK are telling you that.
SVP is only national trial with only national results. Ask at FCI, you get the same answer. Because for FCI a working doesn't mean a running.

For Int.Ch with CZW, your organization in your country must answer you if you need any trial!!!

[Dayen]

Hey, I goe it! SVP is old. It rules were made when every coutry could named which trial is enough. It was writen BEFORE FCI took the iniciative and made international rules for working dog and SVP didn't fit in it.

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by Dayen

I'm sorry I haven't much time for answer now, just this thing:

Every country has different rules for championship. In SK dog doesn't need any working trial to be Slovak Champion of Beauty. Also, in Slovakia, you can get CACT for SVP1 (first dog get it) - so dog can be Slovak Champion of work with just SPV1 - it's very comic situation, don't you thing? So I'm sorry for the mistake, I didn't wrote the country in the title.

But in CZ, you dog must have working certificate (to say in different way - must done a trial that really satisfies international conditions).

There is something wrong with SVP, because only country that allows you to get International Champion for a dog with only SVP is only Slovakia Here in CZ they would think you are kindding in the office, if you want IntCh with just a ZVP or SVP.

Problem is that some things have loose ends. I don't understand SK conditions either, because SVP DOESN'T satisfies the conditions of the INTERNATIONAL working trial, even if SK are telling you that.
SVP is only national trial with only national results. Ask at FCI, you get the same answer. Because for FCI a working doesn't mean a running.

For Int.Ch with CZW, your organization in your country must answer you if you need any trial!!!

If CACT is not working certificat, then what is working certificat(what is the name of this certificat for IPO) ?

Yes I think working Champion must be more than running, National and International beauty Champion is okey for me with just running.

Organization(DKK) and special club(KHKG) in my country have asked me what CSW will need to get title Int.Ch, because I am breed-representative(protector) of CSW in Denmark ....they don`t know anything about training abilities for CSW and no one have ever tried to make titels Int.Ch or working Champion for CSW in Denmark before, so they really don`t know what will be fair for getting thise titles ? that is why they ask me what do I think .....and I think that CSW must need the same as in countries of origin, but it seems that countries of origin(Czech rep./Slovakia) have different opinions of what is needed for this titels ? ...this is why I ask thise questions here !

BTW : In Denmark we are only 4 members of special club KHKG, and I am the only one who is training and showing CSW in Denmark at this moment.

[Huan]

Dayen, you are wrong. Now I understand why you overreacted on the dog show last time in Bratislava. It's official that SVP1 (not ZVP1) is sufficient to get the International Champion title and your kennel club office has nothing to say because it's FCI board in Belgium that decides about the requirements for IntChampion not the national organisations. It's the fact that FCI did approve SVP as the exam for working class and IntCh title. If your office says different it means they are missinformed. They should just send the papers to Belgium and wait for an reply and not doing any problems.

An example. Amber Wolf which did SVP1:


If you make SVP1 exam in Slovakia you can request an official international working certificate from SKJ by paying 5 EUR.

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by Przemek

Dayen, you are wrong. Now I understand why you overreacted on the dog show last time in Bratislava. It's official that SVP1 (not ZVP1) is sufficient to get the International Champion title and your kennel club office has nothing to say because it's FCI board in Belgium that decides about the requirements for IntChampion not the national organisations. It's the fact that FCI did approve SVP as the exam for working class and IntCh title. If your office says different it means they are missinformed. They should just send the papers to Belgium and wait for an reply and not doing any problems.

An example. Amber Wolf which did SVP1:


If you make SVP1 exam in Slovakia you can request an official international working certificate from SKJ by paying 5 EUR.

Hi Przemek,

Thanks a lot for info

I have just send an email to FCI about this and are waiting for answer
....I will get back with answer from FCI !

btw : will you(and dog) by any chance make more SVP-exams in October this year ? ....I have many questions I would like to ask about this trial

[wolfin]

hmmm i wrigth in this metod

1. dogs with SVP going to working class.
2. dogs with SVP cann have CACT
3. dogs with SVP cann have INT CH.

and 4 . SVP IS SPECIAL EXAM to CZECHOSLOWAKIAN WOLFDOGS

maybe this email help:
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Subject: To the attention of Mrs Daiva Rimaityte
Sender: Grazie Soravia <[email protected]>
Recipient: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: 18.04.2006 09:43

Dear Mrs Rimaityte,

The breed Czechoslovakian Wolfdog is indeed submitted to a working trial, - an endurance test of 40 KMs or the IPO 1 or the Schutzhund - are trials recognized for obtaining the title of international champion for this breed.

I hope that I have answered your question.

Yours sincerely
The FCI Secretariat
G.Soravia

for me and for me land (and others land who living wolfdogs) SVP is normal working exam from THIS breed.

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by wolfin

hmmm i wrigth in this metod

1. dogs with SVP going to working class.
2. dogs with SVP cann have CACT
3. dogs with SVP cann have INT CH.

and 4 . SVP IS SPECIAL EXAM to CZECHOSLOWAKIAN WOLFDOGS

maybe this email help:
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Subject: To the attention of Mrs Daiva Rimaityte
Sender: Grazie Soravia <[email protected]>
Recipient: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: 18.04.2006 09:43

Dear Mrs Rimaityte,

The breed Czechoslovakian Wolfdog is indeed submitted to a working trial, - an endurance test of 40 KMs or the IPO 1 or the Schutzhund - are trials recognized for obtaining the title of international champion for this breed.

I hope that I have answered your question.

Yours sincerely
The FCI Secretariat
G.Soravia

for me and for me land (and others land who living wolfdogs) SVP is normal working exam from THIS breed.

Hi Daiva

Thanks a lot for info

[Juniorwolf]

I just got this answer from FCI :

Dear Mister Larsen,

We inform you that we have contacted the Slovenska Kynologicka Jednota to
obtain more precisions in this regard.
We will contact you again as soon as we have received an answer.
In advance, we thank you for your understanding.

Yours sincerely,

VERBRUGGEN Géraldine
Tile Dpt
FCI

.....I will return with final answer

[giedrë]

Hello, does anyone can help me and say how to register WD for running exam for 40 km in Slovakia this year 04/10/2008 thanks

[saschia]

Hi, you need to send info about your dog and your contacts (in case something changes) to [email protected]. But don't expect answer from Livia this week as she is quite busy. You can download appplication form here: http://www.csv.sk/docs/ssvp.doc The payment is on site.

You will need to bring your dog's pedigree (or a copy) and PET PASSPORT.

For more detailed info in german contact Livia, in english me ([email protected]).

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by saschia

Hi, you need to send info about your dog and your contacts (in case something changes) to [email protected]. But don't expect answer from Livia this week as she is quite busy. You can download appplication form here: http://www.csv.sk/docs/ssvp.doc The payment is on site.

You will need to bring your dog's pedigree (or a copy) and PET PASSPORT.

For more detailed info in german contact Livia, in english me ([email protected]).

Where to send the application and the payment for SVP1 ?

Rolf

[Juniorwolf]

Originally Posted by Przemek

If you make SVP1 exam in Slovakia you can request an official international working certificate from SKJ by paying 5 EUR.

Is it possible to make this request without being member of the Slovakian club ? and for who should the request be send ?

Rolf