de Louba Tar kennel

[Joyce]

Originally Posted by wolfin

When 49 or 119 dogs living in kennel not in house like house animal, i thinks this is't loving animal, but producent from money.
loving animal living with hes family in house not in kennel and see people when eating or have puppies.
one american breeder and judge say "good family and good breeders and owners CANN thake hes love and care only from 5 dogs, if dogs is moore owner not have thime from each dogs. "

Having 49 or 119 dogs says nothing about if you love these dogs ore not, nor does living in kennels instead or your home says nothing about if you love your dogs or not. And off course you can give more time to the dogs if you have only 5.
But it still does not say anything over the love for your dogs. Even if you are a breeder for money (which in my opinion is every breeder, otherwise you only have dogs for your hobby and does not sell any pup which is born in your litter) you still love every dog I'm sure!

[Wolfsirius]

... And there is a huge different, if you are working outside home for 8 hours, or if you are not. If not, you could have from 8 to 10 hours more time to your dogs, so i think, amount of dogs is not possible count on "american style", always have to look things on both sides.

-Suski

[michaelundinaeichhorn]

Originally Posted by Wolfsirius

... And there is a huge different, if you are working outside home for 8 hours, or if you are not. If not, you could have from 8 to 10 hours more time to your dogs, so i think, amount of dogs is not possible count on "american style", always have to look things on both sides.

-Suski

Yes, and if you work 8 hours a week and no member of your familiy is at home you shouldn´t breed and think about having dogs at all, but if you have to live of your dogs you depend on low breeding costs and many litters.

Ina

[Azazel]

Big fuss about nothing i think...
It rained.. an they look dirty.. duhh....!

They are skinny? ... i think nowadays dogs are to fat and that's the reason that there is HD. Ive seen dogs that where far worse than these ones... what are we talking about for godsake.....?

Why are we not talking about the puppy factory's in belgium for instance... These people are the real problem.

I think this topic is not about the dogs of Corrie but more about the quirrel that mr Al Pacino has with Mrs. Keizer, Why else wait for so long to the this matter to the forum..

Best Regards,

Barry Rokven

[of_Mercedes_Dream]

Originally Posted by azazel

Big fuss about nothing i think...
It rained.. an they look dirty.. duhh....!

They are skinny? ... i think nowadays dogs are to fat and that's the reason that there is HD. Ive seen dogs that where far worse than these ones... what are we talking about for godsake.....?

Why are we not talking about the puppy factory's in belgium for instance... These people are the real problem.

I think this topic is not about the dogs of Corrie but more about the quirrel that mr Al Pacino has with Mrs. Keizer, Why else wait for so long to the this matter to the forum..

Best Regards,

Barry Rokven

Hello Barry,
Why do you accuse Belgian "puppy factory's" ? Of CSW ? Which one?

Greats
Patrick Cools

[Azazel]

Originally Posted by of_Mercedes_Dream

Hello Barry,
Why do you accuse Belgian "puppy factory's" ? Of CSW ? Which one?

Greats
Patrick Cools

Hi Patrick,

There are a lot of puppy factory's in Belgium and in other country's.
I'm not talking about CSW puppyfactory's because i never heard of those... every dog that is bred in bad enviroments is one to many...

But when i look at the pictures of mr. Al Pacino a do not see any wrongdoing.

My comment is made just to put things in perspective.

Best Regards,
Barry

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by azazel

Why are we not talking about the puppy factory's in belgium for instance... These people are the real problem.

Have some puppy factory in some others breeds too as in CzW around the world, why not talk about all they as Paul have do with Louba Tar kennel here or for the others breeds, put all that in public?
For do that who accuses need real proofs ( for the justice/law, not for us), and that isn't easy to obtain, that's why, if you don't have that you cannot accuse nobody in public secure.
If you know a puppy factory in belgium and want talk about this in public as Paul have do without have problems, you must find proof's and I think that you must enter already with a process against this person before, if no have that already winned for you.

Greetings

[Azazel]

Originally Posted by Nebulosa

Have some puppy factory in some others breeds too as in CzW around the world, why not talk about all they as Paul have do with Louba Tar kennel here or for the others breeds, put all that in public?
For do that who accuses need real proofs ( for the justice/law, not for us), and that isn't easy to obtain, that's why, if you don't have that you cannot accuse nobody in public secure.
If you know a puppy factory in belgium and want talk about this in public as Paul have do without have problems, you must find proof's and I think that you must enter already with a process against this person before, if no have that already winned for you.

Greetings

Hi Nebulosa,

Did not see any proof in the postings of Al Pacino.
If there's no real proof the best advise i can give to a person is to not speak about it at all.

I think the posting of Pacino is mean't to harm the breeder, not to save any abused dogs. If he knew that there was a bad thing happening at the Louba Tar kennel, why come forward with it now and not 4 years early'er..

Best Regards,
Barry

[Nebulosa]

Originally Posted by azazel

Hi Nebulosa,

Did not see any proof in the postings of Al Pacino.
If there's no real proof the best advise i can give to a person is to not speak about it at all.

He don't need post the proofs for they exists , I really not believe that someone will arriving here made such accusations without have all right with the law.
Can be that he don't put all proofs here as not had give complets replies because isn't all 100% done, and if he put somethings in public that can help the breeder to run away of the accusations, can be...

Originally Posted by azazel

I think the posting of Pacino is mean't to harm the breeder, not to save any abused dogs. If he knew that there was a bad thing happening at the Louba Tar kennel, why come forward with it now and not 4 years early'er..

Best Regards,
Barry

Normally isn't easy find proofs valid by the law, principally when that involves animals and breeding, I not exclude the possibility that was because this that he haven't put all that in public before.

But I really cannot believe that this is only a private fight between the two
if that is will be one "suicide attack" made a public topic like that.

[solowolf]

Originally Posted by azazel

Hi Nebulosa,

Did not see any proof in the postings of Al Pacino.
If there's no real proof the best advise i can give to a person is to not speak about it at all.

I think the posting of Pacino is mean't to harm the breeder, not to save any abused dogs. If he knew that there was a bad thing happening at the Louba Tar kennel, why come forward with it now and not 4 years early'er..

Best Regards,
Barry

hi Barry, my posting is meant to do all you say puppy mills must be stopped any info on ANY puppy mills please send it to me and action will be taken as soon as hard evidense is made available, read my posts and see why i had to wait a long time, as for Mrs Keizer she can now after reading my posts if she likes Take me to court, i know if someone slandered me like this and it were not true i would,,, wouldnt you? we wait in anticapation for reply from Mrs Keizer or her llegal representitive, and have no fears at all of seeing her in any courtat any time, pacino

[Joswolf]

May be my other writing belongs here.
Paul said,-the saarloos breed is in safe hands,- is this so? Obvious you donot now that the nvSWH dog's allso have other breeds mixt in theyr population. And they breed with genetic sic dogs, proved by medical specialist's. According to them only they can breed SWH's. And all other are mixes. I have SWH from them and since we proved the problems in theyr population we are bad in theyr eyes. They asked RvB to take away our litters papers. But now they had to give it back and say sorry. Just out of hate. Allso the case with C.K. And now you let them use yourself?
Meaning-Paul first seem to support CK and now fight her. And seems te have had contact with Dutch SWH club who allso are not objective. Looks more like a personel vendetta.
Allthough i agree dogs look to skinny. The mud looking dogs say nothing. I have wolves and hybrides and they live outside. When it rains for day's the ground looks wet. That will be the case with Paul's animals aswell.
Where is smoke there is fire. But some people seem to overdue.
I hope the motivation is the well being of the dogs and not to a personel vendetta.
Jos