What kind of dog is this - mixes by Passo del Lupo?

[massimo]

thanks for moving the argument to a different thread, i was about to ask you myself!

-i must repeat i am NOT interested in Mutaras, i just wanted to underline for those less informed that it is not true that S. litter look all like Saarloses or do not look like CSW.

I see the judge bonitated his own dog (Selly Passo del Lupo). It is also forbidden...

-Selly pdl is owned by Jindra but was not bonitated that day,
take a look:
http://www.clubcanelupocecoslovacco.it/bonMTC2007.htm
only Sangria, Sanika, Seiko.
Were do you get this wrong information??


maybe you didn't read well what I wrote before...

Ehm...but during that bonitation there were Sangria, Sanika and Seiko (according to official data given by italian club site) and, unofficially I know there was a fourth one too...

Maybe Selly was there but not bonitated because Jindra, the owner, was the judge!

- I see one of the breeders was in the bonitation comittee.

let me understand, I'm not an expert in rules:
1) if you are judge, you shouldn't make bonitation to a dog which is your OWN propriety, but I showed before that Selly wasn't bonitated.
2) if you are in the bonitation comittee you shouldn't make bonitation to your own dog? I'm confused, that happens all the time!
just look at the last bonitations:
http://www.wolfdog.org/ita/bonitations/134.html
Daiva is owner of Geryon and co-owner of Waidila and Walkiria
http://www.wolfdog.org/ita/bonitations/133.html
you are in comitee and co-owner of Garuda
http://www.wolfdog.org/ita/bonitations/98.html
Vaclav is in breeding committe and owner of Peggy
Surely I must have misunderstood your statement here!
massimo

[hanninadina]

Massimo, there is some truth in what Margo wrote, that the selection of F 1, F 2 of Csw was made because of working abilities of the dogs and not in first case because they look like wolves. There is a strong reason, they were made for working at the border! The outlook is in first case not so important. And sure it is true taking a timber wolf for crossbreeding in csw breed you get a - we don´t know what getting in a few years, looking for the colour of the coat for example -. You see the pics from young Lupina being grey and turned to be white in elder years.

But Margo it is not true that you want be able to work with cross like Mutara, because there is Armin and of course F 2 generation is taken a csw, I hope a working class csw. So the genes will be stronger and stronger getting a working csw -crossbreed -. And Massimo, sorry to say, you put in this nice pic from F 2 Mutara where you can not belive grandpa is a german shepard.... This is true but I can belive that grandma is a pure wolf!

Training a crossbreed = wolf-mix = not to say Hybrid is possible, but surely it will be difficult to train defense.

Everybody has his own opinion. It is very interesting but difficult too. It is not good but please Margo remember in GSD Breeding. today the show dogs look awful, but this was made by gsd breeding comittee in Augsburg - center of gsd in germany - by themselfs, although there are lots lots of gsd breeders. times change sometimes. And today you have to kind of gsd, the working ones and the show ones, although both are officially working class.

Christian

[saschia]

Originally Posted by hanninadina

Everybody has his own opinion. It is very interesting but difficult too. It is not good but please Margo remember in GSD Breeding. today the show dogs look awful, but this was made by gsd breeding comittee in Augsburg - center of gsd in germany - by themselfs, although there are lots lots of gsd breeders. times change sometimes. And today you have to kind of gsd, the working ones and the show ones, although both are officially working class.

Christian, but Germany is the guarantee for the German Shepherd breed. They can do what they want, if they follow rules.

The guarantee for Czechoslovak Wolfdog is Slovakia and Slovakia is strongly opposed to breeding mixes, even if they look like wolfdog. Especially if the mixing is taking place without prior planning and without consent of the guarantee.

Well I didn't use the proper word - our club as the CSW guarantee is against breeding non-wolfdogs and including them in the wolfdog stud book. If PDL or other knnel wants to breed timber-wolf-GSD-malamute-CSW-anything mixes, they may do it, but they should NOT have them registered as CSW. Same as you can breed Holland Shepherd, German Shepherds, Border Collies and whatever, even Saarloos Wolfdogs, as long as it does not affect the pureblod CSW. That's it.