Coming back to the topic...
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Originally Posted by hanninadina
Every csw is more aggressiv than a normal american wolfdog. Sorry to say, what Richardson say, that they are more social is absolutely right. And he expresses directly that in the right place, with the right people and in the right environment! That means clearly that wolfdogs are not for everyone!
And sorry to say "hybrids" do not attack adults. And with children you never should let a child alone. I have one example the danish dog from Heinz Rudolf Kunze a famous german singer and song writer killed in 1998 the 3 year old child from a friend who did know the dog perfectly and even the child!
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Originally Posted by Joswolf
Most adult and socialised wolves do attack people who misbehave. All the socialised wolves are difficult to let strange people savely in the fences.
Wolfhybrides can attack as well. Some weeks ago some did in Holland and are taken away now. So I do not agree that socialised wolves are harmless. Likely F1 are also not harmless. You should not act as if it's easy becouse it is not.
Jos
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Jos is absolutely right. And I get more and more fed up with advertising hybrids as American Wolfdogs which are no breed but crossings created for showing off.
In the region with the most American Wolfdogs there are a lot of problems and a lot of people who have to take care of those problems. Wolf-Hybrids are banned in several States of the US. And there have been adults attacked!
Some very good articles, the first one by Monty Sloan:
http://www.wolfpark.org/wolfdogs/Poster_section5.html
http://www.arkanimals.com/ark/ws_3_w...g_hybrids.html, this one is a very good site that collects a lot of sources by a behaviourist with quite a lot of experience, all 8 sites are worth reading, not at least the site describing the "breeding"-situation of American Wolfdogs.
http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/newslet...4/5n4wille.htm
All of them include the bite statistics that are mentioned in the UK link, but show, though obviously only for people that are able to work with statistics, a different picture than this link was posted for. If you take in count that wolfdogs are not allowed in several states, that owners being in trouble tend to say it is a normal dog (also well known from Germany
) and that most wolf-hybrids are kept in a very different way to breeds like PitBulls and German Shepherds this statistic doesn´t show that wolf-hybrids are more save with people than other breeds.
Our wolves that have been socialized with children showed exactly the same reaction as Imbo, described by Monty Sloan, they show clear prey behaviour against children now. None of our CSW would even think about this kind of behaviour, a child stays a child even running and screaming. They also don´t accept any more strangers within their inner territory though they are still very loving and kind with us. Who has ever seen a wolf attacking anything in social context knows how extremely fast they change from very nice submissive behaviour to severe attacking, in a very different way to dogs (non of our wolves have ever attacked any human this way, to prevent any gossip right before the beginning!!).
They are only save with people who are able to forget their loving emotions against them far enough to realize that they are wild animals that are created to survive in a cruel nature. This especially makes them and their offspring unsuitable for pets especially for the people that long to keep them that much.
And also is the time a high content wolfdog is matured mostly not the usual 2-3 years but very often much later. That he doesn´t show any kind of aggression in its first years doesn´t mean anything.
There are very few exceptions of course.
And last but not least are the "American Wolfdogs" that are discussed as examples here not only quite young but also very shy and anxious with people they don´t know. They mostly only have a short period of not-shy behaviour but grow out some time later. That makes them of course easier to handle at first sight compared to a not anxious dog but also makes them less predictable and leads to a life in constant stress - what their owners mostly don´t seem to realize in the slightest way, but what is a severe case of animal-abuse for me.
All in all is the article not that wrong, only the fact that CSW and Saarloos a put into the same category is a fatal mislead, but an understandable one if you look at the breeding situation in the UK.
Ina