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Wolfsirius · 28-01-2009, 23:42

In Finland you can see OFFICIAL HD results (ONLY xrayed in FINLAND accepted) OFFICIAL SHOWRESULTS (Only shows in FINLAND) OFFICIAL WORKINGRESULTS (ONLY in FINLAND) from the database of Finnish kennelclub. This database do not have any info example about puppies exported (any results of exported puppies).

In Finland HD results (x-rays) is judged by ONLY one person, and this is very bad system. As long as system is like this i (and many other) do not see any sense to send x-rays to Finnish kennelclub for judging.
(still, i x-ray my dogs) Here is one example about hd -results judged by FIN kennelclub, and result of complaining to Nordic kennelunion : (from C/B to A/B) http://jalostus.kennelliitto.fi/frmK...=FIN49053/05&R=

I pay (read: own) x-rays of my dogs, and after vet will send it to Finnish kennelclub they will keep it there as owned by them (Kennelclub) we are not very happy with this system, and more and more breeders take x-rays of their dogs, but do not send it to kennelclub, but ask judgement from vet (or few vets).

Finnish Kennelclub is "sligthly" against the breed, and in year 2000 as Molly was x-rayed, (x-rays left from vet as A/A, came from kennelclub as B/C)
x-rayed again, same result - i called there and asked about results ; person who judges x-rays (is still the same) asked from me, why the hell i ever imported dog of this breed to Finland? She told me that we do not need this kind of dogs in Finland at all. So.. Next x-rayed dog was daughter of Molly, x-rays left from vet as B/B and came from kennelclub as C/D. That was enough to me.
If you want to complain it cost double price, and if result stay same, you do not get any money back, if result get's different you will get complaining payment back. And if you want to complain to Nordic kennelunion it costs 4 times more.
So, the link above everyone can count how much costs x-rays for this dog (in fact imported from CZ, even is not CsV)

To take X-rays costs 150-200 eur + 21,20 to kennelclub (and if result is not satisfied you, then double, or even 4 times more) THEN if you want YOUR OWN X-RAYS back from kennelclub for example to show to someone (those you payed to vet as it was taken, and legally you own..) YOU MUST PAY 42,70. This is nonsense, you must pay from x-rays you payed once already.

ALL results taken before dog is registered in Finland is not possible to see in database, not even after registration.
Registration (dog from abroad) to Finland costs 68 eur, and i do not see any sense to register any of my imported dogs to our kennelclub until i have to. (possible litters)

As i had spoken to many people about x-rays (even dogs are more than hips) there had been very interesting discussions about differences between countries. Dog can be D/D in Finland, and same dog easily B/B in somewhere else.

Few more examples here:
http://jalostus.kennelliitto.fi/frmK...N33054/02&R=39
and
http://jalostus.kennelliitto.fi/frmK...40979/01&R=165
These are both from D/D to C/C
and these similary you can find as many as you have time to search from FIN database.

Then is one example about eye disease which suddendly disappear as research abroad: http://jalostus.kennelliitto.fi/frmK...N28382/00&R=39

Who knows how it goes in real. In Finland seem to be very bad way to handle results, and database.

-So, i don't have anything to send to WD.org, as i do not have official x-rays, and momentally we do not show our dogs so much, as we have small kids.. who keep us very busy. Maybe someday.

-Suski

28-01-2009, 23:42	#4
Wolfsirius Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 118	In Finland you can see OFFICIAL HD results (ONLY xrayed in FINLAND accepted) OFFICIAL SHOWRESULTS (Only shows in FINLAND) OFFICIAL WORKINGRESULTS (ONLY in FINLAND) from the database of Finnish kennelclub. This database do not have any info example about puppies exported (any results of exported puppies). In Finland HD results (x-rays) is judged by ONLY one person, and this is very bad system. As long as system is like this i (and many other) do not see any sense to send x-rays to Finnish kennelclub for judging. (still, i x-ray my dogs) Here is one example about hd -results judged by FIN kennelclub, and result of complaining to Nordic kennelunion : (from C/B to A/B) http://jalostus.kennelliitto.fi/frmK...=FIN49053/05&R= I pay (read: own) x-rays of my dogs, and after vet will send it to Finnish kennelclub they will keep it there as owned by them (Kennelclub) we are not very happy with this system, and more and more breeders take x-rays of their dogs, but do not send it to kennelclub, but ask judgement from vet (or few vets). Finnish Kennelclub is "sligthly" against the breed, and in year 2000 as Molly was x-rayed, (x-rays left from vet as A/A, came from kennelclub as B/C) x-rayed again, same result - i called there and asked about results ; person who judges x-rays (is still the same) asked from me, why the hell i ever imported dog of this breed to Finland? She told me that we do not need this kind of dogs in Finland at all. So.. Next x-rayed dog was daughter of Molly, x-rays left from vet as B/B and came from kennelclub as C/D. That was enough to me. If you want to complain it cost double price, and if result stay same, you do not get any money back, if result get's different you will get complaining payment back. And if you want to complain to Nordic kennelunion it costs 4 times more. So, the link above everyone can count how much costs x-rays for this dog (in fact imported from CZ, even is not CsV) To take X-rays costs 150-200 eur + 21,20 to kennelclub (and if result is not satisfied you, then double, or even 4 times more) THEN if you want YOUR OWN X-RAYS back from kennelclub for example to show to someone (those you payed to vet as it was taken, and legally you own..) YOU MUST PAY 42,70. This is nonsense, you must pay from x-rays you payed once already. ALL results taken before dog is registered in Finland is not possible to see in database, not even after registration. Registration (dog from abroad) to Finland costs 68 eur, and i do not see any sense to register any of my imported dogs to our kennelclub until i have to. (possible litters) As i had spoken to many people about x-rays (even dogs are more than hips) there had been very interesting discussions about differences between countries. Dog can be D/D in Finland, and same dog easily B/B in somewhere else. Few more examples here: http://jalostus.kennelliitto.fi/frmK...N33054/02&R=39 and http://jalostus.kennelliitto.fi/frmK...40979/01&R=165 These are both from D/D to C/C and these similary you can find as many as you have time to search from FIN database. Then is one example about eye disease which suddendly disappear as research abroad: http://jalostus.kennelliitto.fi/frmK...N28382/00&R=39 Who knows how it goes in real. In Finland seem to be very bad way to handle results, and database. -So, i don't have anything to send to WD.org, as i do not have official x-rays, and momentally we do not show our dogs so much, as we have small kids.. who keep us very busy. Maybe someday. -Suski __________________ I believe in the Wolf, her spirit and her strength. I respect the power they have and will. Walk beside them and protect them my entire life. -Suski- Last edited by Wolfsirius; 29-01-2009 at 00:34.