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Old 10-12-2012, 13:30   #115
Ligerwolve2
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ETA: Sorry I was talking to the breeder here.

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Originally Posted by Sona_Bognarova View Post
Let me explain why it makes difference under what body a CSW is registered: The current more or less unified compliance of the CSW population with its standard has been achieved throughout many years of work - achieved by education of the breeders and owners and above all, by SELECTION of individuals approved for breeding. Member organisations of FCI were the first and still have been the leading ones in introducing the breeding rules, such as health tests, bonitations, trials and hopefully DNA tests very soon too. Too often the owners of the dogs that were not approved for breeding instead of accepting it as a healthy decision for the breed decided to have their dogs registered elsewhere and cheerfully commence the breeding, with no checks, rules, conditions. I see it as a step back, if not against... That's why dogs with pedigrees either issued outside FCI or unfortunately even by FCI but coming from a questionable kennel are not a choice for a responsible breeder. The conditions for having a CSW approved for breeding are meant for a desired development of the breed and avoiding or even bypassing them usually is fishy...If those pups here in Australia are disexed, most probably it is better. But as a principle, once again, I would love to see CSW introduction in Australia as transparent, positive and with the best potential to become as popular as anywhere else. This is not a personal war against one breeder or one litter, this is a deep concern about the future of this fantastic breed, can' t you really see it?
Well said!

In Australia they are now making breeders liable and yes you ARE a breeder as you have had a litter. New laws mean that say a pup has HD the breeder is now liable and a puppy buyer can take you to court to recieve compensation for medical costs. Having had a pup returned with a ruined elbow I can tell you that her op was quoted at $10,000. If a pup you sell has behavioural issues like aggression yes you can be held partially liable. That could also be a shy pup that hasnt been socialised yet. Im not exaggerating either. People are dropping out of breeding like flies. Talks of all breeders having to undergo backyard and kennel checks. Some states will also fine you for having entire dogs without a permit.

Now I agree totally with what Sonja has said here. You have sold puppies (lets say for a moment they are "pure"). So you have just introduced the breed to Australia. You sold them as pure which if there are parents which are not in the pedigree again you have opened yourself up for a law suit if someone decided they wanted to take you for false advertising. Pure means 100% of the dogs pedigree after closed books is CsW. So lucky you, you have introduced the breed. Have you added to it or damaged it? That should always be a question we ALL ask. breeder or not.

If you want to understand the system better and know what you are required to do dont hesitate to PM me and we can go through it. If you truely dont want to breed one dog must be desexed or what about chemical if your against the actual snip. Your dogs are mature so you do not need to worry about changes in their temp.

What Im wondering is what do YOU want? Im a little confused. I hope though that you will take me up on my offer of some info. They really are changing the laws here to stamp out puppy farms, and BYB. Dont get stung! Even if without a pedigree if you want to breed please take the correct steps. Both parents (regardless of what parents have had done) need the appropriate health tests. A bitch should not be over bred and should have a vet check before any litters. Puppies MUST be vet checked, socialised, microchipped (by law), wormed and should go with a basic puppy kit. Pedigree or not you should be doing this. You should also be careful advertising pure CzWs and the first in Australia if you do not want to be a breeder or making a mark on the breed itself. This is what you did so Sonja has every right to ask what are you contributing. This is the way of the dog world Im afraid and you will have to get used to being held liable.

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