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Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn
To check for Chlostridium and pathogenous E.coli you normally have to send a sample to a lab or do the incubation yourself.
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As AMARICANI has written: this happened *recently* and she *recovered* fast. Which means this process has already come to an end...so that is why I´ve pointed out that the vet - most certainly - has had enough time to examine the facae.
I´d like to stick to an old proverb: KISS - so I did not bother to explain the procedure in detail. Thanks for doing so.
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Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn
Even a non-Italian vet (strange point of view by the way) would need some time for that.
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Yes, but why do you use this expression?
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Apart from time is another problem that facaessamples often don´t show the same bacterial population like the small intestins.
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You are so right. Thanks for clarifying this problem.
That´s why I stated "possibilities" not facts, didn´t I?
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Only very, very few poisons cause high temperature and it is not very likely that a wolfdog will stay in the sun when having the choice till it gets such severe problems.
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So in your opinion it is unusual in certain parts of this world to mix several - sometimes according to EC norms "ancient" poisons - in order to harm animals?
Concerning the likelyness of any dog to seek for a shadowy place in that state they would most certainly do. But as I don´t know the garden of AMERICANI I assumed that there might have been none. I should not assume, you´re right.
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Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn
Strychnin for example causes extreme convulsions as a main symptom. Cumarinderivates that are nowadays used in rat-poison cause melena but not higher temperature...
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And again... mixing poisoning substances - even ones in DE would not be used anymore - seems to me something to look at.
Furthermore, stychnine does not neccessarily cause convulsions - in many cases it does, in some they are temporarily or do not occure at all - or might have been gone, when the dog has been found....
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Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn
Americani don´t you have toxicological emergency centers in Italy? In Germany you can call them, tell them the symptoms and they will tell you what poisons are a possible cause.
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Well, the German Giftzentrale (toxicological emergency) is really really usefull! They do a really great job.
For humans there is the Centro Antiveleni, they deal mainly with substance which are known - e.g. one has eaten some fungi, you keep the rest and provide them with information, than they can help.
The way I´ve learnt it in Italy is that you ask the Corpo Forestale/Vet to send in a sample of the substance for analysis. Then - in at least two regions this takes about two weeks, more or less - they provide you with a report. And again - if you don´t have any substance....you see?
IF there is something else, AMERICANI, please name it and - if possible - also provide a phone number... I will at once file it in my cell.
Have a nice evening,
we will take a walk now :-)
koboldine