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admin · 12-10-2010, 18:14

First: Czechoslovakian Wolfdog is a dog coming from the crossing of a German Shepherd Dog with a Carpathian wolf. And ONLY such dogs are Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs and are recognized by the Slovakian and Czech Club as PUREBREED Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs.

ALL other mixes EVEN IF THEY HAVE FCI PEDIGREES (it means all mixes of White Shepherd, Saarloos Wolfdog, Huskies aso. registered in France and Italy) are NOT REAL Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs.
EVEN if you will make them pedigrees they will be NOT recognized by the origin breed club!!!

And your dog is exactly the case:
It is known already since years that the dog Dark (http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/1534) which is in the pedigree of your dog is NOT a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog and the dogs put as their parents are not its real parents. It is a dog with 0% of CzW blood. It was many times TOLD by the 'breeder' of this dog and most of the Italian breeders know exactly it is a mutt imported from America and registered as a CzW. It is why NOBODY from Italy (beside the breeder) used this dog and it offsprings for breeding. Because EVERYBODY knew it is a FAKE Czechoslovakian Wolfdog - that it is just a normal mix.

Because of it ALL offsprings of this dog are marked as MUTTS (not purebreed CzWs). It means that you CAN NOT breed with this dog in Czech Republic and Slovakia. None of the offsprings can make Czech or Slovakian bonitation. No breeders from Czech Republic and Slovakia can cover with your dogs. If they will do it the puppies will NOT get the PEDIGREES.

About the justice:

___ The ONLY person you can sue is the person who registered the fake dog as a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog with pedigree - it means: Giancarlo Rinauro: http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/o/177.html

It is the only person who is responsible for it - he is responsible for the fact that your dog is not a purebreed CzW.

The same apply to all other breeders of MIXES - if your dogs are marked as "MIX" in the database you can always ask for compensation by the person who cheated the pedigree or mixed CzW with any other breed and registered the (mixed) puppies as Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs.

___ The information on Wolfdog is for breeders and buyers ___

The pedigrees from many countries do not guarantee that the dogs a PUREBRRED. As you know in Italy, France, Germany and some other countries you can register ANY DOG as Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. Even if it is a dog with 0% of CzW blood. You can take ANY mutt and make pedigree for it, right?
But the origin clubs recognize ONLY dogs which have FULL pedigrees coming from the "z Pohranicni straze" dogs.

It means some dogs can have FCI pedigrees and can be registered as Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs EVEN if they are just mixes. BUT all the mixes (offsprings of Mutaras, Dark and other dogs which are not real Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs) are banned by the origin clubs and their offsprings are NOT recognized as purebreed CzWs. It is why we decided to warn people before they make the mistake.

The text "MIX" is warning the breeders especially from origin countries that the dogs can not be put in the breed books of their clubs.

It means if YOU sell puppies of your female to any of the CzW breeders without warning them that this dogs are NOT purebreed you can by sued by them! Because for the origin clubs the dogs are what they are: MIXES. NOT real Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs.
Remember: ALL offsprings of your female are blacklisted - nobody from Czech Republic, nobody from Slovakia can use them for breeding.

It is not OUR fault (of Wolfdog.org), it is not the fault of the Czech and Slovakian Club. It is ONLY the fault of the (pseudo)breeders which use and make mixes and make them fake CzW pedigrees. If you want to solve the problem - contact the source of the cheating. We would be also happy if the real breeders will finally make the end of mixing our breed with all kinds of dogs of other breeds.

Because let's be honest: there is no other country where there are so many "fake" Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs as in France. There are mixes with White Shepherds, Saarloos Wolfhunds and other breeds and such dogs are registered by your kennel club as purebreed CzWs. Even if it is VISIBLE they are not real Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. Don't you think it is the right time to "clear" your population from all kinds of mixes? That the people in France deserve the certainty that: if they BUY a Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs and the PAY for a Czechoslovakian that they will GET a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog and not a mix of something with something and with only a part of CzW blood.
It is already the time to STOP the pseudo-breeders....

I hope you will understand that MANY breeders and owners don't want to have mixes at home and they want to breed ONLY purebreed Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. It is why they asked us for putting such information online since some of the mixes are sold as "purebreed" dogs and the breeders "forget" to inform puppy buyers and other breeders about a future problems of registration of these lines. And there are many puppy buyers who were complaining that the breeders didn't informed them that the puppy which they buy is not a REAL Czechoslovakian Wolfdog.

I understand some people are angry about the word "MIX" by their dogs - it seems they belong to people who bought a puppy but were not informed that their dogs are not a purebreed Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs (even if their have the peedigrees). Do you think it is ETHICAL to hide this information and lat the breeders to sell the puppies to other people without informing them that their dogs are not recognized by the origin clubs?
Remember: soon or later someone from puppy buyers will try to go to the club dog show in Slovakia but the entry form of the dog will be not accepted because the dog is not a purebreed dog. What such breeder will answer such people? What they will do if the puppy buyers will ask the money back from them which they gave for the puppy - because they wanted to buy a REAL Czechoslovakian Wolfdog but they get a mix with paper?

Sorry but I really do not get why you attack Wolfdog.org which tried to give the REAL information to the people. The problem is not someone who writes the true. The problem are the pseudo-breeders which breed and sell FAKE Wolfdogs....

12-10-2010, 18:14	#10
admin Moderator Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 583	First: Czechoslovakian Wolfdog is a dog coming from the crossing of a German Shepherd Dog with a Carpathian wolf. And ONLY such dogs are Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs and are recognized by the Slovakian and Czech Club as PUREBREED Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. ALL other mixes EVEN IF THEY HAVE FCI PEDIGREES (it means all mixes of White Shepherd, Saarloos Wolfdog, Huskies aso. registered in France and Italy) are NOT REAL Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. EVEN if you will make them pedigrees they will be NOT recognized by the origin breed club!!! And your dog is exactly the case: It is known already since years that the dog Dark (http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/1534) which is in the pedigree of your dog is NOT a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog and the dogs put as their parents are not its real parents. It is a dog with 0% of CzW blood. It was many times TOLD by the 'breeder' of this dog and most of the Italian breeders know exactly it is a mutt imported from America and registered as a CzW. It is why NOBODY from Italy (beside the breeder) used this dog and it offsprings for breeding. Because EVERYBODY knew it is a FAKE Czechoslovakian Wolfdog - that it is just a normal mix. Because of it ALL offsprings of this dog are marked as MUTTS (not purebreed CzWs). It means that you CAN NOT breed with this dog in Czech Republic and Slovakia. None of the offsprings can make Czech or Slovakian bonitation. No breeders from Czech Republic and Slovakia can cover with your dogs. If they will do it the puppies will NOT get the PEDIGREES. About the justice: ___ The ONLY person you can sue is the person who registered the fake dog as a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog with pedigree - it means: Giancarlo Rinauro: http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/o/177.html It is the only person who is responsible for it - he is responsible for the fact that your dog is not a purebreed CzW. The same apply to all other breeders of MIXES - if your dogs are marked as "MIX" in the database you can always ask for compensation by the person who cheated the pedigree or mixed CzW with any other breed and registered the (mixed) puppies as Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. ___ The information on Wolfdog is for breeders and buyers ___ The pedigrees from many countries do not guarantee that the dogs a PUREBRRED. As you know in Italy, France, Germany and some other countries you can register ANY DOG as Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. Even if it is a dog with 0% of CzW blood. You can take ANY mutt and make pedigree for it, right? But the origin clubs recognize ONLY dogs which have FULL pedigrees coming from the "z Pohranicni straze" dogs. It means some dogs can have FCI pedigrees and can be registered as Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs EVEN if they are just mixes. BUT all the mixes (offsprings of Mutaras, Dark and other dogs which are not real Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs) are banned by the origin clubs and their offsprings are NOT recognized as purebreed CzWs. It is why we decided to warn people before they make the mistake. The text "MIX" is warning the breeders especially from origin countries that the dogs can not be put in the breed books of their clubs. It means if YOU sell puppies of your female to any of the CzW breeders without warning them that this dogs are NOT purebreed you can by sued by them! Because for the origin clubs the dogs are what they are: MIXES. NOT real Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. Remember: ALL offsprings of your female are blacklisted - nobody from Czech Republic, nobody from Slovakia can use them for breeding. It is not OUR fault (of Wolfdog.org), it is not the fault of the Czech and Slovakian Club. It is ONLY the fault of the (pseudo)breeders which use and make mixes and make them fake CzW pedigrees. If you want to solve the problem - contact the source of the cheating. We would be also happy if the real breeders will finally make the end of mixing our breed with all kinds of dogs of other breeds. Because let's be honest: there is no other country where there are so many "fake" Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs as in France. There are mixes with White Shepherds, Saarloos Wolfhunds and other breeds and such dogs are registered by your kennel club as purebreed CzWs. Even if it is VISIBLE they are not real Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. Don't you think it is the right time to "clear" your population from all kinds of mixes? That the people in France deserve the certainty that: if they BUY a Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs and the PAY for a Czechoslovakian that they will GET a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog and not a mix of something with something and with only a part of CzW blood. It is already the time to STOP the pseudo-breeders.... I hope you will understand that MANY breeders and owners don't want to have mixes at home and they want to breed ONLY purebreed Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. It is why they asked us for putting such information online since some of the mixes are sold as "purebreed" dogs and the breeders "forget" to inform puppy buyers and other breeders about a future problems of registration of these lines. And there are many puppy buyers who were complaining that the breeders didn't informed them that the puppy which they buy is not a REAL Czechoslovakian Wolfdog. I understand some people are angry about the word "MIX" by their dogs - it seems they belong to people who bought a puppy but were not informed that their dogs are not a purebreed Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs (even if their have the peedigrees). Do you think it is ETHICAL to hide this information and lat the breeders to sell the puppies to other people without informing them that their dogs are not recognized by the origin clubs? Remember: soon or later someone from puppy buyers will try to go to the club dog show in Slovakia but the entry form of the dog will be not accepted because the dog is not a purebreed dog. What such breeder will answer such people? What they will do if the puppy buyers will ask the money back from them which they gave for the puppy - because they wanted to buy a REAL Czechoslovakian Wolfdog but they get a mix with paper? Sorry but I really do not get why you attack Wolfdog.org which tried to give the REAL information to the people. The problem is not someone who writes the true. The problem are the pseudo-breeders which breed and sell FAKE Wolfdogs....