Some of the reason why I think it would be best if I came over and saw some CSW's how they are and what they are like is because I came to the conclusion of if for some reason I failed myself and the dog, (through in proper socialisation or not enough training/bad training) and I had a big problem on my hands I just couldn't hand the dog into some shelter and live myself. Having said that I wouldn't have many people in australia with the knowledge to help with whatever the problem is. However much I might think of myself as a fairly knowledgable person on dogs, there will be things that I will not know about with this type of dog or any dog for that matter (learning is a lifelong commitment), And as Mirkawolf said there are things that only seeing and talking to people will teach me. I would definatly like to come along to the summer camps, although I'm not sure if I would be welcomed as I have no CSW to call my friend and I sort of would not like to be a bother to people when they sound quite busy. Even if I can't go to the summer camp I would like still to come over to see and meet owners and breeders. Many thanks for your replies hope to hear/see more soon-Pariah
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