Worlddogshow 2010
 

Worldogshow 24.-27. June 2010 in Herning, Denmark will open for entries in Janurary 2009 :)

List of Jugdes, accomondation, entries and much more info is now avalible here : http://www.worlddogshow2010.dk/?GB.aspx

Hope to see a lot of you there :)

Greetings Rolf

I think, this judgement will not have value if it is this judge. Maybe he had seen some wolfdog already......:(

I don`t know this judge ? ...I think Danish Kennel Klub know as little of the breed as who is good/experienced jugde for it ? :oops:

At most shows I have attended in Denmark jugdes and staff have never seen a CSW before ....and some staff even ask me if I am sure if it is a reconized breed :(

Greetings Rolf

Well, the judge still has some time to read the standart :lol: And a good
ocasion to visit Denmark :)

hi hi hi ,yes. but it is problem of more countries. I think almost all countries:lol::lol:

You mean judges? Well, yes, but most of the breeds have this problem :roll: Especially rare ones, like wolfdogs...

Maybe if many CSW will come, Danish Kennel Klub will put more effort in finding good/experienced jugdes for our breed at future dogshows in Denmark, so far maximum 2-3 CSW have been at a dogshow in same time in Denmark and most of the times it was my 2 CSW`s...

Greetings Rolf

In Germany we hope for this since yyyyyyears... :shake

Well maybe I am just optimistic ? but I really can`t blame Danish Kennel Klub for not putting much effort in this, when only 3-4 foreign CSW`s have visited dogshows in Denmark in the last 10 years or so and usually there is only me with my dog(now two dogs), if things was different I had a reason to complain, but for the moment I accually do understand them ...not that I agree with them ! :roll:

I can`t speak about the situation in Germany, because I know nothing about it ! ...but can special club( Club für Tschechoslowakische Wolfshunde Deutschland) not put pressure on the German kennel club ? you have so many more induviduals in Germany, compared to Denmark(4 members in our special club and only me who is active = showing and training for exams). :(

Greetings Rolf

No, we can´t do much about it. The situation got a little bit better because some judges got interested in the breed. But still there are misjudgements. On international shows the popular breeds have chances to get competent ones, the small breeds get a judge that has some spare time left.
After two years of absolutely horrible judgements in Dormund I and I think some more people complained about the judge not following the standart (eyes were to yellow or light, all dogs were wrongly ankeled, tailes were to short....) after that we got 2-3 years at least German judges who tried their very best.
We are only allowed to train own specialized judges when we are an official VDH-Club that can rule the breeding itself, we are fighting for that at the moment but because we don´t have enough different lines we have a wainting period now for some time and hopefully are succesfull the next time.

The Slowakian Kennel Club has produced a training DVD for judges where they show on examples how a dog should look like and how it shouldn´t.

But this is the reason why we normally don´t show on world dog shows with judges we don´t know very well and ask judges out of countries of origin for our Club shows. It also is the reason why people who know the breed very well don´t care at all about international titles like world champion.

Ina

I think there will be over 30 CsV in Danmark 2010 :)
by looking at how many CsV that did come to Sweden in 2008.

Regards / Mikael

So there is hope for a better future ;-)

World dog shows, international dog shows or national dog shows is all good opportunities to spread the knowledge of our breed to judges and the public, so in the future they will have bigger interest in our wonderful breed :) I think the dog shows is a really good way to make people aware of our breed and this is why I show my dogs at many dog shows(world dog show is even better because many people will come), every day I meet people who do not know of the existence of our breed also on dog shows there is many people who see our breed for the first time ....even when I have been in Czech rep., Slovakia or Italy people stop me in the streets to ask about this breed, so when more people will know of our breed we can expect more interest from kennel clubs and judges and hopefully have better/more competent judges in the future ;-)

Greetings Rolf

I hope as many as possible will come and show their dogs and by doing that help spread the knowledge of our fantastic breed :rock_3

Counting on you Mikael in 2010 :)

Greetings Rolf

Well, this doesn´t really happen in my experience. We have shown our dogs very often in the past, what costs a lot of time and money but nothing changed. What helped was to speak to some judges personally and mainly that they have seen more and more better charakters so they could see an improvement in itself. But it only helps with some judges and the main thing is that they get the impression not that there are many dogs but that there are passionated breeders and owners in the country. With the judges that don´t even bother to care for the standart nothing helped at all, they just don´t care and don´t want to. What seemed to help a little bit for the next years was to complain about showers paying a lot of money for judges that oviously don´t even know the standart.
But even in Slovakia there was a situation not so long ago when a specialised judged intervened because of the absolutely wrong judgement of an international one.

Ina

Do you know if it is possible to purchase this DVD? I think something like this could be very helpful to the judges over here on the "lonely AKC/UKC island":p. They are all very curious here...most are alerted by the host club before the show that they will be judging their first CSV - several, after they have gotten over their initial fear of the word "wolf", and actually meet the dogs - say to me that they have tried to "do their homework", and learn about the breed before the show. This sounds like a great tool...

Here's a toast to 2009!:beer :grosscool:sooo_hapy:sweetCyberM:klatsch
Marcy

Well if everybody stop showing their dogs for unxeperienced judges, who will be judging our dogs when these judges retire ?
The dogshows is a great opportunity to speak with the judges and show them that there are passionated breeders and owners in the country, but this is only possible by going to the dogshows. How should the judges see any improvements if no ones want to show their dogs ?
There are always rotten apples in every barrel, but just because of a few rotten apples, you don`t have to throw the whole barrel out !
Why not put an effort in speaking with judges who care and help educating them about our breed and forget the few rotten apples ? ;-)

Luckily I have never meet any judges who don`t care for the standart, most of the unexperienced judges(and trainies) I have meet in Denmark have asked me about the breed after the judgment, showing a big interest about our breed.

Greetings Rolf

We have done our share of that work for many years, believe me but I won´t invest more time ore money for judges that don´t do their homework

I don`t doubt what you write ! ...but some one have to keep up being optimistic about judges and kennel clubs will get better and I think it is a shame that an experienced breeder like you won`t continue the good work !
...what happened to "But it only helps with some judges and the main thing is that they get the impression not that there are many dogs but that there are passionated breeders and owners in the country" ? :shock:
It`s kinda hard for an unexperienced owner like my self to give that impression all by my self, I think we all could use as much help as possible to make some changes :) ...and I think world dog shows will be a good oportunity to do that !

Greetings Rolf

Thanks

I´m counting on my self to :lol: And I think we will make it ?

Regards / Mikael

There is no other way to know if something is wrong or right than to test it personally!
Let's not judge a jugde before hand... who knows??
I will SURELY come to denmark, if only to support Uno as best wolfdog in the world!!!
I hope many many others will come too!!
come to world show... I promise I will make you enjoy your stay... in one way...or another!
massimo

Thanks a lot for your support :cool3
I am looking forward to see you again my friend and I am also sure we will have fun :) :beerchug2

Greetings Rolf

Hmm, sounds really gripping, Massimo :lol:8)

I am trying to organize some extra fun for all who comes to worlddogshow 2010 in Denmark and want to hear if anybody will be interested ?

Givskud-Zoo is a very big Zoo/safaripark, which is placed about 50km from the worlddogshow and there is a possibility to get an exclusive "meeting" with the wolves after the Zoo/park is closed, in the middle of the wolves area is a small "house" with a veranda/porch, where the staff will prepare a supper/dinner for those who are interested to "eat with the wolves" and in same time get some information(in English and/or German) of the wolves daily activities, puppies, breeding program and so on... it is allowed to bring your dog(s) to "eat with the wolves", in the Zoo/safaripark it is possible to drive around by your own car or in a safaribuss with a guide(just like a real safari) to meeet all the animals up close and more or less free, some places you must get out of the car to see the animals in their pens/inclosements.
So I would recommend to come "early" and take a safari by buss or by own car and around 18:00 come and "eat with the wolves".
...in addition to the zoo/safaripark is a hostel where it is possible to stay overnight with your dogs.

Please give me some feedback on this, so I know if I should arrange such an event ...no strings attached yet ! so far it is just a request to see if it would have any interest ?

The worlddogshow will be 24.6.2010(for CSW) all breeds 24.-27.6.2010 and I wanted to arrange to "eat with wolves" the day before(23.6.2010).

http://www.givskudzoo.dk/

Thanks in advance :)

sounds like you have quite a few days planed, they sound great, doubt me and kaya can come but i wish every one going a great time, and good luck at the dog show, all the best :)

I´d like very much to come and I think this is a good initiative.:)

// Jimma

Thanks :)
But I have only plans for one day, so far... at WDS people must care for them selves, but can ofcourse stay at the hostel as long as they like...

Greetings Rolf

Thanks you are very welcome :)
...and congratulations with your puppy :)

Greetings Rolf

Thank you!
It was a little unexpected to be with puppy now. Our puppyplans was for next spring but!!! She came, She saw, She conquered and we fell like trees under the chainsaw. But she was booked for somebody else.That somebody cancelled though and thats why we got the question if we wanted her.

I missed the WDS in Stockholm last year so next year I´ll be in Denmark no matter what!

// Jimma

Well, if for nothing else, for this I think I'll come to the worlddogshow ;o)

Great :) ...I will be looking forward to see you again... this time in Denmark 8)

Greetings Rolf

I have just been informed that in 2010 our Special club(KHKG) will make a special show parallel to WDS 2010 and if enough(about 30 CSW`s) will enter our Special show, KHKG will invite a judge who have experience with CSW :)

24.6.2010 CSW will be judged at WDS
25.6.2010 KHKG will make Special show

KHKG represents following breeds :

Appenzeller Sennenhund
Australian Shepherd
Australian cattledog
Australian Kelpie
Austrian Shorthaired Pinscher
Beauceron
Black Russian terrier
Bouvier des Flandres
Briard
Caucasian Shepherd
Czechoslovakian Wolfdog
Dutch Shepherd
Entlebucher Sennenhund
Gos D`atura Catala
Grosser Schweizer Sennenhund
Kontinental Landseer
Kuvasz
Picard
Polski Owczarek Podhalanski
Polski Owczarek Nizinny
Puli
Pumi
Pyrenean Shepherd
Schipperke
Tornjak
White Swiss Shepherd

Ofcourse it will not be possible to wait with the invitation of a judge until we know how many CSW`s will enter the show, so I kindly ask if any of you would be interested in attending the special show by KHKG and tell me if do, either in this thread, by PM or by email : [email protected]
...if I don`t get confirmation of about 30 CSW`s who attend to participate(ofcourse this is not binding), a allround judge will be invited instead.

....KHKG expects about 1000 dogs will enter the special show all in all.

Thanks in advance.

Great work Rolf :)

how many are (we) now ???

I will se if I can come and stay to the 25´th, I report to you later...

Best regards / Mikael

Thanks Mikael,

I have spoken with the president of KHKG and we are confident that there will be enough for us to invite a special judge CSW ...I had more than 50 replies from people who wish to enter the special show :)

A CsW special judge in Scandinavia and more than 50 CsW´s :shock: :cool3

Very best regards / Mikael

I wrote a complain to Danish kennel club about the choice of judge for CSW`s at WDS 2010 and gave them a list of judges who have experience with the breed, but they never answered ?
....But now it seems that we will have a special judge at the special show instead :)

WDS & KHKG special show in Denmark 2010.

Entries are open...

24.6.2010 World Dog Show
http://www.worlddogshow2010.dk/?GB.aspx

25.6.2010 KHKG Special Show
http://www.khkg2010.dk/html/uk.html

I`m sorry to inform you that the arrangement I were planning "Eat with the wolves" had way too many participants to be realized, so I have choosen to only invite my close friends for this arrangement, but it will still be possible to visit Givskud zoo with your dogs like everybody else, I`m sorry !

If any questions, please contact me by email : [email protected]

Rolf

KHKG Special Show !!! Excellent work Rolf !!! :klatsch:klatsch:klatsch

Very best regards / Mikael

I agree 100% wiht Ina.
There is not sense.
Roberto

http://onlineunderskrift.dk/Vis/Skri...DENUNDERANSVAR

no comments :(

Hi Rolf

I've a problem with enrollment in special show , in the link that you posted I didn't find the entry form but only the bank's details.

Could you or someone help me please?

thank in advance

Ban on 13 muscle dogs in Denmark
 

Yep, CsW can be dog No14 :( But I hope not... way not just ban the bad owners ?

Sad regards / Mikael

LAST DATE OF ENTRY FOR THE KHKG CLUB/SPECIAL SHOW IS 1. MAY 2010.

The KHKG show 25. June is located very close(same city) as the WorldDogShow 24. June and judge for the KHKG show will be Monika Soukupova.

Any questions about entry(online or my email) can be directed to KHKG president Bodil Rusz, who will be happy to help with any questions you might have.

Bodil Rusz : [email protected]

Greetings Rolf

Hi, I just returned from denmark. It was really big fun! Rolf organized everything perfect. The "starter" "Eating with the wolves" was one of the two best ever visists in Zoos/wildpark which got wolves. Typical canadian blockhouse and 6 black wolves on 10.000 sqm with 4 pups, 7 weeks old. They were near and although they were not bottle feeded raised up they had no stress with the 20 of us and our csws. Our eating was completely "wanting more".

41 dogs in worlddogshow was ok for scandinavian show. Big Wakan Ariminium is worldwinner, surely a nice csw. I think the results will be presented soon.

The Hotel was near the beach and we had a lot of fun. Myla and Tala were happy to walk the beach in the full moon night and starting in the morning again. Perfect Rolf, we enjoyed it very much.

Denish Clubshow was nicely presented with other breeds of FCI class 1. so there were a lot of dogs. Special judge Monika Soukupova judged well with very much knowledge.

Rolf, I hope you will post some nice fotos!

It must be said that it is really good to have people like Rolf who concerned very much that we all felt very well in his home country. Thank you very much, Rolf, that you made us a remindable long weekend in Denmark.

Christian

PS: Please send me some pics from the wolves, beach, show for my blog. Thanx in advance.

Still no results on WD?
I mean, the Word dog show is not ANY show (although for me worth a bit less considering the number of participants).
And the results are available online so...why no update?
https://www.hundeweb.dk/dkk/public/o...SERTE_HUNDER=J

Because Paula is sitting in Brasile and maybe watching the soccer world championship????

:shock::shock::shock:

Christian

this make and others moderator :)))))) like and Admin from Germany and others lands moderators. And I watch :) this now is very intresting
and WHO want know results this have in this site:
https://www.hundeweb.dk/dkk/public/o...SSERTE_HUNDER=
:)

Well, yes, i'm pretty worried with our next game, against Netherlands... :|
But anyway my time makes no difference in the dogshow results, database or so, as i'm only forum's moderator, not admin.

Sorry, Daiva in germany that is not true. The moderators from german forum has nothing to do with the results of dog shows. They send them to Margo and I thought, Margo or Przemek do not any more this and I thought, so it is Paula.

Christian

I say Admin NOT moderator :) Paula NOT Admin she only moderator, please read all my worts :) 8)

Hello Daiva,

he never was, neither is or will he ever be...:stupido:stupido:stupido

See you,
Michael

but Admin and Germany moderator are not this same people :) 8)
but this is not important :) now important is FUTBOOOL

Sorry again, I was told that Paula is not only moderator but new owner too of wolfdog and is caring for the show results as well. Margo told me in may that she has nothing to do with wolfdog anymore, she would do other dog websites....

It is like with the csw-lines, nobody does really know, who breeds with wolves, american wolfdogs, but all judges judge these mix wolfdogs and give them excellent results, even the special judges of you.

People, the best thing is as ever in life, stay with the truth. But maybe I am only desinformed, because I do not read so often in english forum.

You have DNA ? or only make bla bla bla :) I think only bla bla :)

:twisted:

Hi Daiva,

like you said, only bla, bla...
Unfortunately over years now:stupid.
I would consider him as an irrelevant, yet hopeless case.
You can take the word "case" literally.

I got the personal confirmation from eye to eye a few weeks ago when I visited the owner of the none csw whose wolfdog bred the csw a few years ago; and of course I trust him.

Ina, in Neustadt/Harz Daiva, Margo, Miguel and me were sitting - without alcohol like Michael during the later evening - and had "dinner" together and spoke about american wolfdogs pp. I think she does not need your help.

By the way Ina, your husband Michael told me 2 years ago on telephone, that he is quite sure that one of the "csws" which I mean, is not a real one. Was it "blablabla"? I have, as I wrote at the begining, the confirmation.

I do not need DNA Daiva. I know how american wolfdogs and their offspring, even if it is mix with csw, look like. You know better standard and everything about the csw breed of course, but not about american wolfdogs. It is your (FCI) task and work to ask these owners for DNA! I am not interested any more in csw breed. I got two and I learned a lot of them, but that´s it.

I see in this thread that you people know nothing, what happens in real csw world. I feel sorry for you. Maybe it would be better to be in lots of csw places and not only in a few. Visiting the csw people who you maybe do not "love" can bring more information than sitting in front of a pc and doing "forums-stuff". Life is real and not in forums but on the street.

And if you had been in Herning last week, you could have seen by yourself, the "wolf(-dog)" who was presented.

I am total against crossing/mixing different wolfdogs and leading into the fci breed. But I have nothing against breed mixes, but than for the home and not for the show and breed.

Good luck for doing your homework as a rescuer from csw breed.

Christian

writte name - not only " i know" "i see" and thake DNA. Now You make like little doggy who bark but not bite.
And I can say moore think but when not have oficial document about this who I speak I not say this and this are bad and falsh.
please not make bla bla but prove this oficial.
Thanks :) I think now we have oficial document about this who You speak :)

Daiva, I do not know, if it is arrogance or lack of intelligenz of you. But one thing I now know for sure, that is the reason why you do know nothing.

I am laughing with all people together who know the facts about "fresh" wolf and wolfdog blood and we laugh about people like you, who mean they know about the csw breed. But if you are not able to recognize a cross wolfdog, so you do not really know the csw breed. Sorry to say, that is the only conclusion which can be made.

I tried to help you, but I do not like, if people, who are poor in knowledge, act like you.

Christian

Christian

oo we have a expert who not can breed normal wolfdog :) No problem. I laughing when You afray a normal wolfdog :) and sory but You and your freind not are very important people who minds and worts is important for me :)
only bla bla :)

p.s. WHEN not have DNA prove :) You are only liar :)

Hi Daiva,


I think he's not a little doggy but more the type of a cringing "omega" who barks or better whimpers now and then.
That's probably the biggest problem or burden weighing heavily on him all his life.

Michael

with me 180 cm :) he are little crying "omega" like You say :)

daiva is obligated to judge every dog which has fci pedigree. even if you bring a hippopotamus corresponding to standard, maximum what she can do is to give "good" :roll:

Oh Honybunny,

and I have thought you are a jurist? Without proof, it is only empty bla, bla......
Oh Lord, cast brain from the heaven!

It is always the same with you......

Greetings
Markus

I think we are going out of thread enough right?
New one for this special and *new* argument?

Hey!! we all know you dont have to be tall and big to be ALFA..wolf or human or anything in between!
;);)

Hmmmm, it looks World show 2010 never hapenned.....

I not see on Wolfdog result but I be in Wold Dog Show and see wolfdogs and it was nothing.No nice dogs - much less than normal dogs show here. Very much bad judgement - judge has no knowledge. Know nothing of Wolfdogs. I see many dogs from Italy with good quality, many from France - very much bad quality. More worst are only dog from Czech. Really like fat shephards.
In male junior best Wolfdog was on last place - dog from Finland. Most nice and good one. But judge not liked good dogs. On 2 place put dog from France with short legs and much much long. First is dog from Italy. Normal but not nice like Arsenic.
Intermedia class with only one dog from Italia - Aragorn. Not much good because in look like dog. Zero of Wolf.

Open class is very bad quality. First place dog CARDHU from France with very much big ears and dog look. Zero Wolf. Second Czambor from Czech - another shaphard with very much long coat. Very much strange dog -not a real wolfdog for me. In place 3 is Xtreme from Czech. Really not much male in look. Best dog was on last places. Divo for me bit strong but much better quality than other 3 first dogs. Best dog was with no place - DEMONIAK DIAMOND. Good look but run must be better by wolfdog.
In work class only one dog UDINI I not like. Big dog withg very much small head and very much short legs. Not harmonius. Not much nice.
Champion was only good class for me. Big Wakan I not like because not move like wolf and not look like wolf. But much like dog. Not good wolfdog for me. But I like very much Olcan. Very much good body and mnuch good in run. For me best of males. Ezechile is nice too and with Olcan for me was only good male in walk and look. Place 4 is dog from France and like all france dog with big ears and dog in look. Zero Wolf. Other dogs is West - normal. On photos i see lot wolf but in real very much normal. Last is Uno and like all czech dog i see there is like shephard. Very much heavy.

In femals quality and judgement is also not good. In junior vclass first is France dog with same problem like bad body with short legs and shephard run. Second female is tragedy - is form Finland WOLFSIRIUS ONLY ONE with run like dysplasia dog. Very much bad run. But i asked breeders and they tell me is normal because is of father and it is dysplasia dog with many puppies with dysplasia run. I see database and see not results.
This class for me best dog was last and is Pandora from Holland breeder. Only female with normal look and run.
Intermedia class female is most bad quality I see. First place is female like male shephard from Czech. Gigant ears with no color. Not look like female - is like male. And very much bad sherphard in run. I really see no good dog from Czech here. Only shepohard. Othrer femals fron France is not good wolfdog too because on 2 place is DOXANNE with big ears and shopherd run too. Best dog of this class is also on last place and is Damaska form fRance. Not wolf but better like other female in this class.
Open class is only class with good females. and only class of show with good judgement. First is ESTHER from Italia with good body and run. Second is BE CRAZY SAFIRA - more male but nice too. Next 3 place is best Czech dog i see in Wolrd Dgo Show - WOLFISH WITCH Z MOLU ES. But with short leg and sheohard run too. Next in 4 place is CORAIL from France. Same problem with much short legs and very much long. ANd much spehard run. Last place is Italia female GIUDITTA PASSO DEL LUPO - not much wolf but of normal look.

In work class two femals from Italia with same problems - is very much too long body and very much short leg. With much bad run of shaphard. First is Fiona.
In champion class first is France female BAIKA DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE. Very much bad quality because gigant ears big like head. And zero wolf. Like all france dogs. Second is Alud - not very top quality. Normal but not wolf. Only good female for me is place 3 and is ASHANTI. Much nice walk. Next 4 place is Asha and KRIMHILDE - normal butr not wolf.
See World show in Wolfdog was loose of time becasue dogs very very much bad quality. I want see nice dogs I read on Internet but I see only many shephgard with big ears and very much bad body with very much short legs and very much long. With running like shephard. Much worst quality was dog from Czech and France. And judge was spephard judge too because he not like good dogs - he give good last place and for first place he take dog with gigant ears and run of shaphard. I understand when people write that world winner are sometimes lowest quality dogs because i see with my eyes than in World dog show judge judge with no knowledge of Wolfdog. Very much bad experience for me.