World Dog Show 2011
 

Is there any news? Or anywhere to find the results? Very curious!:)

It's streaming live on the WDS official page, and you can find some limited results on their FB page: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=297963419584

Yes, but I have country internet and can't watch videos...and I really only care about the results for one breed. ;-)

http://www.cedia.fr/Leng/Lexpodet.asp?ID=909

I think here, where the little new sign is spinning?

Aa. You will waite info who is next matador breeding male?

I siting in home but my dogs are in WW :) in main web site represents CSV breeds :) and in ring mas runn my Kajika :)

I know today and tomorow be CSV- I think today we have leter first results when CEDIA put results in this same day ( or almost this same day)

http://www.cedia.fr/default.asp

strange link - later go to show in 7-9 july and in this Résultats en cours de saisie sur le site de l'exposition

Today:
Clair de Lune Srdcervac first in her class!!! ;)
Big Wakan Wolf Arimminum - Best male and BOB

And tomorrow the World Dog Show ;)

Kajika Girios dvasia excelent III

Congratulations to all owners and breeders on their achievements! :ylsuper

I'll be there tomorrow :D

Championnat de France 2011
 

Results italian dogs:

maschi
Arimminum Big Wakan Wolf 1°eccellente MIGLIOR MASCHIO BOB cl.campioni
Aragorn eccellente cl.campioni
Ezechiele Olim Palus eccellente cl.campioni
Bosco dei Navarri 1° eccellente cl.lavoro
Zenith od Uhoste eccellente cl.intermedia

femmine
Alud 1°eccellente MIGLIOR FEMMINA BOS cl.campioni
Be Crazy Safira 1°eccellente CACS cl.libera
Grace Olim Palus 2°eccellente cl.intermedia
Arimminum Krimhilde 1°eccellente cl.lavoro

Chien-loup tchécoslovaque Classe INTERMEDIAIRE MALE Juge : M. LARIVE Jean-Claude
172 DARK VON KONIGS-TERRY 2e EXCELLENT
173 ECKLAN DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE 1er EXCELLENT CACS
174 EE WABAN Z OREL OCHRANA - TRES BON
175 EEL OW Z OREL OCHRANA - EXCELLENT
176 ELBE DE L'ANGE GARDIEN DE FAUJUS - EXCELLENT
177 EQUINOX DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE - EXCELLENT
178 EVER FOREVER DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE 3e EXCELLENT
179 F'APACHE DES GARDIENS DE LA COUR 4e EXCELLENT
180 FLAKE DU SANDERA CELESTE - ABSENT
181 ZENITH OD UHOSTE - EXCELLENT
Chien-loup tchécoslovaque Classe OUVERTE MALE Juge : M. LARIVE Jean-Claude
182 BALTIK - TRES BON
183 BLUE JEAN DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE 1er EXCELLENT RCACS
184 COYOTTE DU CENTER CLUB MOLOSS WOLF 2e EXCELLENT
185 CRYING WOLF ROBIN HOOD - ABSENT
186 DEVIL'GREY DE LA LOUVE BLANCHE - ABSENT
187 DEYMON Z OREL OCHRANA 3e EXCELLENT
188 DINOOKA DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE - EXCELLENT
189 DOAN DES PLAINES DE L'EST - EXCELLENT
190 DOUBAYH DE LA BLACKWOLFDOG - EXCELLENT
191 DRAKKAR DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE - EXCELLENT
192 DREAM-SHAWAK DE LA LOUVE BLANCHE - TRES BON
193 DRYACK DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE 4e EXCELLENT
194 ERAGON'KRAL DE LA LOUVE BLANCHE - ABSENT
195 ERHANOS DE LA LOUVE BLANCHE - TRES BON
196 ERON DU CLOS DES GUERRIERS - EXCELLENT
197 ETHER YR LYCAN O MYRDHIN - EXCELLENT
198 FANTASTIK-WOLWERYNE DE LA LOUVE BLANCHE - TRES BON
Chien-loup tchécoslovaque Classe TRAVAIL MALE Juge : M. LARIVE Jean-Claude
199 BOSCO 1er EXCELLENT
200 CRYING WOLF DYLAN 2e EXCELLENT
Chien-loup tchécoslovaque Classe CHAMPION MALE Juge : M. LARIVE Jean-Claude
201 AARON DU CLOS DES GUERRIERS 3e EXCELLENT
202 AMORE HIO SRDCERVAC - ABSENT
203 ARAGORN - EXCELLENT
204 ARIMMINUM BIG WAKAN WOLF 1er EXCELLENT Meilleur de Race
205 AR'WAN DE LA MOLLYNIERE DE LO'SCALE 4e EXCELLENT
206 CRYING WOLF WEST 2e EXCELLENT
207 EZECHIELE OLIM PALUS - EXCELLENT
Chien-loup tchécoslovaque Classe JEUNE MALE Juge : M. LARIVE Jean-Claude
208 BLANIK SKY NORSKY VLK 2e EXCELLENT
209 CENTUS GALICYJSKI WILK 3e EXCELLENT
210 JANATOS P'TITS LOUPS D'AMOUR 1er EXCELLENT Meilleur Jeune
Chien-loup tchécoslovaque Classe PUPPY MALE Juge : M. LARIVE Jean-Claude
211 FARLOW DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE - ABSENT
212 FEANARO-KIBA DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE - TRES PROMETTEUR
Chien-loup tchécoslovaque Classe NE CONCOURANT PAS MALE Juge : M. LARIVE Jean-Claude
213 Non présenté -
214 Non présenté -
Chien-loup tchécoslovaque Classe INTERMEDIAIRE FEMELLES Juge : M. MANNATO Franco
215 CHANEL PASSO DEL LUPO - ABSENT
216 CLAIR DE LUNE SRDCERVAE 1er EXCELLENT
217 DIVA VON KONIGS-TERRY - EXCELLENT
218 EAZ'YLL-SHANN DE LA MOLLYNIERE DE LO'SCALE - TRES BON
219 EDEN HOOD DES PLAINES DE L'EST - ABSENT
220 ELOHRA DANNAN DES PLAINES DE L'EST - ABSENT
221 ELWEN DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE - TRES BON
222 EMY DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE - EXCELLENT
223 ERIA DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE - EXCELLENT
224 EUREKA DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE 4e EXCELLENT
225 EVANE DU CLAN REYSEZNEC 3e EXCELLENT
226 EYLANKA DE LA LOUVE BLANCHE - TRES BON
227 EYOTA Z OREL OCHRANA - TRES BON
228 FAUVE DU SANDERA CELESTE - ABSENT
229 GRACE OLIM PALUS 2e EXCELLENT
Chien-loup tchécoslovaque Classe OUVERTE FEMELLES Juge : M. MANNATO Franco
230 AKASA ARQEVA - TRES BON
231 ANECHKA DU CLOS DES GUERRIERS - EXCELLENT
232 BE CRAZY SAFIRA 1er EXCELLENT CACS
233 CHEPHE OUTLAWS HEAVEN - EXCELLENT
234 DAMASCA DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE 2e EXCELLENT RCACS
235 D'CHENOA Z OREL OCHRANA - EXCELLENT
236 D'JUNE DES PLAINES DE L'EST - ABSENT
237 DOXANNE DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE - EXCELLENT
238 EKLYPSE'ESCAPE DE LA LOUVE BLANCHE - EXCELLENT
239 ELOUNA DE L'AME DES LOUPS - ABSENT
240 ESKA DU DOMAINE DES SEIGNEURS NOIRS - EXCELLENT
241 EYOTA DU CLOS DES GUERRIERS 4e EXCELLENT
242 FOCHKA DU SANDERA CELESTE - EXCELLENT
243 KAJIKA GIRIOS DVASIA 3e EXCELLENT
244 KYBELE GIRIOS DVASIA - ABSENT
245 LATANA Z PERONOWKI - EXCELLENT
246 UTAH Z MOLU ES - EXCELLENT
Chien-loup tchécoslovaque Classe TRAVAIL FEMELLES Juge : M. MANNATO Franco
247 ARIMMINUM KRIMHILDE 1er EXCELLENT
Chien-loup tchécoslovaque Classe CHAMPION FEMELLES Juge : M. MANNATO Franco

248 ALUD 1er EXCELLENT


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interesing results and.. no comments in a few dogs who was in CSV ring, when not can be in this ring :(

congrats :)))

always the same dogs... or it only seems to me?? :roll:

WORLD WINNER ZENITH od Uhoste (info from facebook)

Congratulations to all happy dogs and owners !!! :beer

Very best regards / Mikael

Gradisca Olim Palus CACS best female and BOB

mine Geryon son Doan des Plaines de l'Est winn his class (open) and becam r. CACS
moore info I not have

congrats :)

Thanks Wolfin. It is a very good result for Doàn, and I did not get this result. I'm very proud of him :lol::lol::lol:

bad puppies, bad dogs
now od Uhoste puppy production will sell not only 4 puppies at one time but 5, 6, 7.... and ship everywhere
i have friends who build internet market places - they will help to make web page

what webpage?

ha ha this I see in FB from french people - ah is this important - I proud too :) :lol::lol::lol:
p.s. in WW oficial results are this :)

Proud of our ZENITH
 

Good morning to everybody
I’m Massimiliano and I’m owner of Zenith Od Úhoště and Arimminum Krimhilde.
I’m here today only to say thank you to all people that support us during the wonderful week-end of Paris finished with great victory of our Zenith and in particular we would like to say a big big thank you to Hanka (Od Úhoště Kennel) that gave us possibility to have our “friend” Zenith as “life partner”.

Thank you again to everybody.

P.S. Only for Lupis, … No time for losers / 'Cause we are the champions - of the world (by Queen)

Hello Massimiliano,
Congratulations again!!! :klatsch
I'm really glad that I have been able to meet you and Zenith at the World Dog Show :D He's such a good and pretty boy :) I'm really glad for him, for you and for Hanka :)
Take care,
Stéphanie

http://dl.wolfdog.org/pics/dbase/DEy...ve_Blanche.jpg

Of course, she only have small defects according to the standard. :shock:
Gosh, please tell me it's not the same dog :shock:

Hi, congrats.
But with all respect, as long as the dogs weren't judged by a special judge and all the dogs from Slovakia,Czech Republic, Poland or Germany (and other countries of course) weren't there, these titles are worth nothing or little this event being considered the world dog show.
Sorry.
No envy, honestly. Just my humble opinion.

Michael

Originally posted by Michael:

"But with all respect, as long as the dogs weren't judged by a special judge and all the dogs from Slovakia,Czech Republic, Poland or Germany weren't there these titles are worth nothing or little.
Sorry.
No envy, honestly."

Yeah, I agree ! :ylsuper - and especially to that :

....as long as the dogs weren't judged by a special judge... !!! :nono

But in spite of that - of course congratulations to all winners!

Uli alias Silvester / former smartwolf

:thumbs exactly!

Michael ciao,
an opinion it's an opinion and I respect that without any problem, you forgot only a little consideration, in the story of our wonderful race the 2nd world dog show with biggest number of Czechoslovakian Wolfdog booked. Not bad

Ciao
Maxi

Stéphanie ciao
we are glad to for the short but nice time we spent saturday on Paris.
Thank you again and ciao

Massimiliano

If only this was a joke.. :x

As always there are people who agree with the results and people who have different opinion. The fact is: dog shows have their own rules and they are always a bit separated from the "real life". Everybody who show the dogs knows it. Of course there is a huge difference between World Dog Shows (were most of the judges are allrounders) and Speciality Dog Shows when the dogs are (should be) judged according the breed standard. But - shows are for fun!

We should be happy that the winners are purebreed Wolfdogs. And we should be happy for the owners of these dogs (even if the behaviour of the breeders is questionable). Enjoy the show!

Congratulation to the winners!

we envy good czechoslovakian wolfdogs, not dogs :)

yes realy older dog show was moore interesing and moore correct, now winn good hendler, or ... who know who :) realy dog SHOW are only SHOW not moore ( i speak about this big show not speciality show)

At first, thank you to said me that I'm a good handler :p:p:p (Now I'm sure you never saw me before), but sorry I don't accept absolutely when you said "who know who".
I'm the happy owner of a dog thats know nobody and that is simply really proud of results I obtain with my two dogs when for fun I make show, working trials and so on.

Massimiliano

Hi I not speak about you like a hendler and not only about your dog- in this show was moore dogs not only yours. Not think - world not runn only about your dog :)

a fault in the results: ZORAY LUPUS IBERICUS she got 3º EXCELENT

The result does not bother me because I expected more from THE JUDGES.
IN A WORLD DOG SHOW ALWAYS HAVE TO BE JUDGES SPECIALISTS

Originally posted by alberto_cepedano :

"The result does not bother me because I expected more from THE JUDGES.
IN A WORLD DOG SHOW ALWAYS HAVE TO BE JUDGES SPECIALISTS"

Yes, exactly ! :ylsuper That´s what Michael already wrote some postings before and me and Morian expressly agreed to him - It SHOULD be naturally for such a show, no question...

But, as you see - it is NOT.

It´s sad and Michael is very right with his opinion that these titles are worth nothing or little because of this.

No doubt about it.

Nevertheless I congratulate you , Alberto , for getting an excellent and 3rd. place for your very fine bitch Zoray !

Best greetings to Espana sends

Uli alias Silvester from Germany

I think for many of us living outside the original countries, especially further than Germany or Poland, have little or no access to specialized judges. So, really none of our titles mean anything. I will not get into the number of times a judge has said "Oh, your dog is so beautiful - but I wish his eyes were darker - and his chest, maybe it will get wider one day..." 8)

But...

The more our breed is exposed in and to the world, the more judges will, hopefully, take interest in our little breed. Hopefully knowledge and research about the standard and typical CSV will take root from that interest. Shows like the world show, or showing (for now!) in the US or Brazil or Thailand or Spain, maybe we are at a "younger" stage, with a slightly different motivation...I like Admin's response - much as it would be nice to see a specialized judge at the huge world show, a show is a show, and just that. I'm happy breeders and owners of the winners are able to enjoy a nice accomplishment - and hope breeding decisions of the future continue to look to attributes in dogs besides winning shows.

I think Admin mas make two or 3 themas one about this are CSV or not others about WW in Paris and next .. I dont know - fighting club or what :twisted:

Hello, I stays with this exposure, one can obviously be agreement or not with the judgements, me what I saw, judgements for the females very expeditious, my female had very good, but other females presented were in my eyes superior for a dog show of beauty.

The same qualifier for a female which has such an amount of difference with truths CSW there… :rock_3
there is what to put questions ..... The dogs which gained can be of such or such breeding, let us congratulate quite simply.
We have currently much other problems evoked and on which we must act all together!!

I do not know Hanka and the owner of Zenith, quite simply cheer!!!
At least the CSW which are brought out are truths CSW…:rock_3

Daniela, if you do read this, I saw you taking much photograph, can you put on forum please ?
thank you. ;)

Zoray Lupus Ibericus - 3er exellent

say this for WW web site administrator not to my :) I only copy oficial results

regards

Yes I know. There are also other errors ..

:) yes I hope they make correct results later

I will soon remove the off-topic posts to other topic.
And returning to the topic:
Congratulations to everyone who were at the dogshow and I hope you all enjoyed the day with several different CzW, with the oportunity to meet new dog-people with the love for the same breed, in an amazingly nice place as Paris (and france itself) should be!
Then now I'm openly say that I envy you all, I would like to be there too! ;-)

paula, in 2016 ww will be in moscow, don't envy - come to us 8):drinka (i didn't find smileys with vodka :D)

re
 

I thank everyone for the compliments, win a World Cup with their child on his birthday and to remember that 2 years before I helped her mother Ashanti in the birth is priceless .... Only so much joy and deep emotion. Gradisca Olim Palus is 2 years old, has patented Cal1 job (just over 1 year with the best attack), is Italian and San Marino Junior Champion (Kavcic Marija), is Italian Champion (only 20 months), Young European Champion Best Junior and BIS 3 in Slovenia ... Now it is also World champion and Best of Breed .... his other brothers as my Goja Olim Palus, Gohr Zion Grace Olim Palus are decorated and multi award champions.
This World Cup has had a significant number of participants, some champions as a multi Olim Palus Ezekiel, Esther Olim Palus BigWakan, Alud .... and others, winning is an honor. Gradisca deserves the title. The atmosphere was pleasant, the sportsmanship of the French enviable as that of other foreigners. Karcher Harsanyi and know this breed, have not been influenced by the conductor, but have watched the dogs.
Congratulations to all participants and a heartfelt thank you!

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Congrats from Baron spod Dumbiera grandDaughter Elwen GD too:) You have nice dogs :)

WDS Paris 2011
https://picasaweb.google.com/smecka1...7DyOW-v8zhhAE#

Beautful photos! Thank you for sharing! It looks like it was a lovely time! :)

First in champion class males and Ris-cacib Ezechiele OP.
Thanks to all those who participated with us in the race.

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/n...7-09144738.jpg

thanks :) if I find my dogs can used this photo in my web site:roll:? thanks for sharing nice photo:)

and veeery big diferent we can see in this dogs- "real CSV" :)

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-z...0/DSC_0222.JPG

Who is this dog? (On the right, closest to the camera).

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/--...0/DSC_0175.JPG

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Edit: I found the answer myself from the show cataloque pictures in the same album. So it is D'eyden De La Louve Blanche. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

yes correct and.. ???

I had a look at the databace pictures. It's interesting to compare the profiles of the dogs; the shape of the scull and the muzzle.
According to the databace, this is the sire (Volos Crying Wolf) of the dog pictured above (D'Eyden De La Louve Blanche):

http://www.wolfdog.org/pics2/2008/4/...44-6619206.jpg

And this is the grand sire (Galiba Crying Wolf):

http://www.wolfdog.org/pics2/2009/1/...36-3700249.jpg

Grand dam (Flash Crying Wolf):

http://www.wolfdog.org/pics2/2008/12...49-7455336.jpg

yes, very interesing to see this differences and not only in head bones but in collor too. I think all people in this show see this differences about "real CSV dog":rock_3

Well like Admin said, at least be happy World Winner is purebred CsV.. :|

Daniela, thank you for the pictures.

Here are the two first parts of the videos i took at the WDS.

The quality is not really good because as usual during the exhibitions, the lighting is poor.

It's not by choice if some dogs are not present in the videos, it's only because of changes in memory cards, batteries, judgments taking place in conjunction with others and cramping I ended up getting :)

http://follow.confrerie-lupoide.fr/w...w-2011-a-paris

very thanks for this video - now I feel like I was in this show too. thanks :)

can I sharing links in ours forum too?

Of course you can :)
Tomorrow i will add more videos but i'll keep you informed.

thanks!!!
the only shock for me is that many handlers must hold dogs' heads between their legs to show teeth :shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:

thanks, very good video - now all people can see who is who -temperament, movement, behaviour and dogs differences.

daiva, give please links to our videos too :roll:

if you say :

http://www.youtube.com/user/karkela1#p/u/0/hIi6q7PY4ko

http://www.youtube.com/user/karkela1#p/u/2/IjjcFSPlP50

http://www.youtube.com/user/karkela1#p/u/3/GNIMqi197mU

http://www.youtube.com/user/karkela1#p/u/4/CYwzq6k6stY

wondefrul :evil:
many dogs are out of standart as minimum in behavior, did anybody see disqualification?

:shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock::shock:: shock::shock::shock:

Thank you R0d for the videos!

Because of this I was able to watch my first World Dog Show, although only virtually.

I must say this is completely new to me and I am surprised at the differences in World Dog Show and national dog shows here.

Here if a dog does not stack (stand) straight to have its teeth checked (in the AKC, the judge will open the dogs' mouth and check), then it is unlikely this dog will be given any placement. It may be disqualified even. Must be glad that Vlcak is not counted in the Guardian breeds, where judge can count individually each tooth! :|

It was interesting to see that judges in WDS doesn't care if the dog is cowering, crawling next to owner's legs, or sitting when touched from the rear.

To me, this type of dog I would not bring to a show..obviously this dog is not enjoying him or herself in this environment, even if the dog is beautiful, lovely, physically typical.

I will bring another dog which likes exhibition and spare the one who hates it. It's better to show a confident dog, especially on the international world stage for all to see nice happy confident Vlcak.

Of course, I am only a novice at shows.

But when I see this show then I see something like Westminster 2010:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIOHjAKJJ38

to me I can only say: Make a better choice of which dogs to bring to international stage, and maybe take more handling practice or courses.. it was sad for me to see scared dogs which wouldn't even remain standing upright.

I'm complete agree with you...

you both are only jelous :lol::lol::lol::lol: like I too

They havent disqualified even a completetely atipical dog like the mixes who were there. We can simply kick out the breed standard, that's why dogshows are mere fun. :lol:
I hope now people will have a bit of shame on their faces and stop to tell titles of dogshows as as way to try to proof the "qualities" of their dogs, as I see people often doing.

True, but up to now I believed dogs in dog shows were made to be at least trained to be presentable..... Never mind type.. :?

Originally posted by Nebulosa:

"We can simply kick out the breed standard, that's why dogshows are mere fun." :lol:

Yeah, in principle, I agree to you - if these shows are not judged by a special judge for our race , I would like to add ! Sure, also special judges are not Jesus Christ and they can make mistakes ... But that can not be compared in any way to the results of dogshows which are judged by "non-specialists"! ( As we all are able to see .)

Originally posted by Nebulosa:

"I hope now people will have a bit of shame on their faces and stop to tell titles of dogshows as as way to try to proof the "qualities" of their dogs, as I see people often doing."

But what else can you choose to show the quality of your dog ?

There is no test on abilities and working quality at the moment , what is NEEDED to be made for Cwd ....and that´s a big mistake I think.

The 40km or 100 km test CAN be made but it need not be - as we all know. And even that would show only some physical qualities of the dogs but not the working abilities.

So what people can do , if they want to show their dogs quality??

In fact there are ONLY the show -results at the moment ... yeah, that´s a pity, no question !

May be the bonitation codes and the hd- results are a little more serious and tell more about the dog - but how many dogs have both ? So it should be a MUST that you have let made both for your dog before going to a show and before it´s possible to tell even anything about quality...!

Best greetings to Brazil, Uli alias Silvester

Many of those dogs have behavior test named TAN....what is this test???:shock::shock::shock:

dog like Wolwerine , which has more than fear, unease expressed by behaviors and postures quite different than other dogs (no dog behaviors and postures), how can you pass the test?

I am wondering about people like Uli, Eichhorn and some others. Dogshows work their whole "life" like they do now a days! There changed nothing! There were always "only" judges who judge the dogs. Some of them are special judges to a special breed but not necessarily they do the judgement during a world dog show or dog show!

And everybody who takes part or took part at a dog show knows that a dog mostly beahve different during each different show. Only these dogs who are well ring trained and have a great performer will do similar each show. But because of different halls, dogs, weather conditions, the mood of the owner, the mood of the dog handler, the mood of the dog himself etc. makes understandable that dogs perform different.

And a dog who is presented in a small special csw dog show with let us say only 45 dogs on a peaceful green outside a city - like our shows are done in germany - and in other countries too - will react and behave totally different to a dog during a world dog show with all his action and noise!

What I wanna say, it is of course a big stuning work that a dog, his owner and the dog handler do during for example a world dog show. And it does not matter if there is a special judge or not!!! Especially the csws are character strong animals and they can show their character in these shows.

It is very simple, if you do not take part the race it is your own problem, but do not claim that such results are bad and werth nothing. This is simply not true. I saw to many dogs which should be excellent standard csws (and other breeds) who were not able to do a good show in heavily circumstances! And what should this be a good looking csw in standard if he is not able to show his presense in a big show?

Best would be to present dogs in all shows! Only this matters and would be werth. Of course I know a lot of people who are afraid that their dogs are not able to manage even a normal judge. But what is it werth, if I only go to judges, who I like and where I know before how the result will be? It is nothing werth!!!

Dogs Shows, are like it was written above, only shows!!! They are entertainment for visitors, dog owners, dogs (sometimes, lol) and judges. These are not "God" shows.

If you look on car or motorcyle raceways you will find raceways which are in very good condition and some who are in bad condition. If you wanna be a true champion, you have to be good on all conditions! Very simple, and not only in these where you all know. That is werth nothing.

So all my congratulations to winners and(!) participiants on the WW 2011 in Paris. And what is a result werth without the other participiants? Nothing! And if there are more and more participiants the result is werth even more! As someone wrote, the second biggest number of paticipiants of csws every!!! That is a word!

Christian

Hey Christian !

Are you not able to see the direct contradictions in your posting ?

Or do you write without thinking about and especially without reading again after you did write something ?

r0f and Wolfin, thank you very much to post here link of the movie, they're really appreciate.
But I have a question, due to the reason that here all are speaking of the WDS, do you think it's possible to see some movie also about that or you have only movie of the day before? They could be appreciate to!!!
Thank you

Massimiliano

Max Paini: i'm not sure to understand your question but i have videos from friday and saturday.
It takes lot of time to upload each videos. I have approx 4 more videos to upload and hope to do this today (if Youtube decide to be nice with me ^^)

Chriastian, yes, world show is a big event, but did you see the one which took place in Bratislava? You could see a lot of wolfdogs that really reacted properly - were calm but not frozen, were able to react to the judge and to the watchers. And the show was cramped, as the space in exhibition center was less than planned for, so it was not something with 45 dog on a green lawn, it was stiock-full of dogs, people, children, even the President came, so you could really say that the conditions were quite extreme.

I agree with yukidomari - the judges, even if not expert, should judge the behavior too and disquilify improper behavior, unwillingness to show teeth etc. Of course, unfortunately lot of them are too afraid to even come closer and look into the mouth ;o).

now i'm talking with a person from russia which saw only 1 csv alive, and now she saw these videos... she says "wolfdogs are shy" and it's impossible to change her mind. and she is only one from tens or thousands from all who saw this show. thanks to all breeders and owners for such presentation of the breed :?

I can tell who it is not - it is NOT a Czechoslovakian Wolfdog.

Yes, and the "small" fault is called "not purebreed CsW".

Yes, it is interesting to see that the dogs do not match. It is easily visible that D'Eyden De La Louve Blanche has nothing common with her "ancestors"... No wonder...

Video Part 3 is now available: http://follow.confrerie-lupoide.fr/w...w-2011-a-paris

Can someone explain to me why those males are so docile to each other? The most shows where I have competed the males where more showing of to each other.
Is it only practise makes perfect? Than we would like to follow some classes :)

greetings judith

Hi Chris,
The problem is just that to most breeders these days the dogs shows represent the most important mesurement of a dog's quality. Titles, titles, titles... that's what they are after. Nothing else matters, or if something else matters even a little, it is still compromised to show success.
And we all know where this has lead. Just look at the dog breeds (or lines in certain breeds) bred only the showing purposes in mind... they are like flowers or design sofas; -for decorative purposes to people who want to collect nice things around them and show them off to others.
Many are unhealthy both physically and mentally. To me it only looks funny and sad at the same time to watch people dragging their dogs around a small ring to some other person to pick who he/she likes best, and to claim that this has something to do with breeding better quality animals.
This has absolutely nothing to do with breeding healthier companion animals, not to mention better working dogs!

I think the dogs were healthier and happier if we would go back in time before people decided to split dogs into these closed breed populations and start showing them around to see how well some person thinks they fit into that man made standard. We used to have perfect canines for different tasks to help us, to serve us, to keep us company. Now we have sad, sick animals suffering from hereditary defects and narrow gene pool.

I think the whole dog showing system should be changed into a totally different from what it is and has been. There should only be breed specialists judging the dogs, and only a certain amount of individuals per day per judge so that there would be enough time for each individual. And the evaluation should be more thorough; not only few rounds in the ring. More value on the behaviour atleast, and more movement.

Just my honest opinion...

7 videos from the WDS are now available.

The link is still the same: http://follow.confrerie-lupoide.fr/w...w-2011-a-paris

thanks you very much :)

wolfin: you're welcome :)

Jennin Lauma: i said it a lot of time when i was at the WDS: dogs shows are not a place for... dogs :|
I don't like dog shows in a "dog point of view" but it was a good way for me to meet a lot of people in 2 days, people i speak with since a long time on the forum. At the WDS there was dogs and people i wanted to meet.
Of course i prefere seeing dogs runing in the woods.
I know some of the dogs that where at the WDS in a different environnement (i mean walking/hiking/playing/spending time with them).
I didn't recognize some of them when they where in front of the judge.
In that way i understand when you say "the whole dog showing system should be changed into a totally different from what it is".
Not just about how a dog is judged, but also how it spend his day at the show because is so sad...

One day i will have to bring my dog at a dog show in order for him to be confirmed (i'm not sure the word is correct but i mean they will say "this dog is ok for breeding" (or not...)) but i won't bring him there with a lot of joy knowing what a day for dogs in a show is...
But still... it will be the "best" way to show my dog to other breeders and to meet other breeders and others dogs (because i want to adopt one more ;)).
I'm not sure if i'm really clear :)

I don't like dog shows, but i haven't found a better way to meet so many people and dogs in only one or two days.
But for sure, the day i will bring my dog in a show i will hate shows a little more... :|

BTW i love your dog called Perro :tard

Yes, dog shows bring alot of people and dogs together under the same roof. But also as my opinion, it is not the best place to meet dogs nor people. It is one way for sure, yes. But not the best since it is hectic, noisy, and stressfull environment. People are busy and the dogs are nervous. --> Not the best atmosphere to have conversations. I would prefer gatherings/meetings instead, and also personal visits to breeders.
If there were nolonger dog shows like there is today, I'm sure people would have other kind of gatherings / action days.
And I think it would be so much better idea to have these non competetive evaluations where the dogs are not competing against each other for placements, but only evaluated by the judge/judges (why not more than one!).

:gent I love him too very much :love

@Uli, I will tell you another concrete example why every dog show is werth no matter if special judge or not. During the mid 2000 I did some shows with my Myla and I often were in the same ring with the grandmother of your dog from mothers side. And two times I noticed that she did not want that the judge looked in her teeth - and she tried to bite him! Of course she was disqualified. So no matter if special judge or not everybody could see about her behaviour that she was unsecure and not self confident - but of course marvellous wolfy looking. And as I wrote already a good csw has a strong character - and he/she would not react like this. And it was not only a matter of wrong education but a bit from genetic point of view too, because her brother must put down to sleep with not 5 years old because he was heavily attacking people (even his breeder and friend of the former owner).Jenny of course dog shows are only beauty shows and has not a lot to do with health. There are some breeds where they look a lot for health during bonitation.A good dog will be in front of classement in dog show with special judge as well as with a normal judge. And sorry even special judges make a lot of faults - that is good because they are not gods. Please look at the winner of open class males 2009 in World Dog Show, it was a csw x awd. And not only this judged did not get it but other special judges who judged him during other specialities did not get it. I talked to them and they told me, so long the dog fits in the standard, I could not do anything.In the end everybody of us has a different sight what is nice and not. It must fit in the standard and then there will be small differences.@Saschia, of course most csw who will take part at a big dog show in a hall will not have any problems. If the owner is cool they will do like their owners. So from my point of view it is nothing special to go with dogs to a show. I often went only as a guest with my dogs. Jenni, dog shows are a good possibility to meet same breed dog lovers. Especially when you are a newby in the breed. Later when you know the people, breeders and dogs, one can go and meet them on different locations. But Dogshows are one part of recognized breeds! And of course an important part. Otherwise I do not know why people would like to have a pure breed dog? There are of course people who do not care for pure breed and these are a lot more. Look in germany we have about 750.000 purebreed members of vdh (FCI) but more than 6-7 Millions without. So it is a small world of pure breed dogs in the whole dog world.Christian

Yes, shows are one place to meet lots of dogs, breeders and other owners. And I have said that this is one of the good sides in shows. But I also said that if there were no shows at all or they would be different from what they are now, I'm sure that there would still be many ways to meet other people & their dogs. And most importantly, I think different kind of shows could serve the audience even better.
Well, practically this is true. Dog shows are and have been for a long time a big part (if not the base) of Kennel Clubs and breeding recognized breeds. But my point is that the shows themselves are not important (but for entertainment maybe). What matters is the typical looks according to the breed standard. And for evaluating pure bred dog against the standard we do not need beauty competitions like most shows are at the moment.

I think it would serve the breeding of pure bred dogs better if we'de have different kind of 'breed type evaluation events' (shows). -Only breed specific, no allrounder judges, and no breeds competing against each other in group rings & BIS rings etc.
As an example of some most important changes:
I'd prefer to have several breed specialist judges who would evaluate/asses the dog together as a team, and they would write explicit assessments which would also be published for everyone to read. And only a certain maximum number of dogs per day for this judge group to evaluate, so that there would be more time to spend with assessing each dog.
And more movement required! 1-2 rounds in a small ring while the dog is pulling in its leash in panic or out of over excitement should not be the base of evaluating the dog's movements.
To dogs who have several excellent evaluations could be given a special title but there would be even higher title for dogs who also have more results than those from the breed type evaluations / (shows); such as good health and temperament test results.

I think there are lots of things wrong in todays dog breeding, and the dog showing system of the moment is just one of them.
As it comes to 'pure bred dogs' I actually think that there is also lots of things wrong in how the concept of "purity of breeds/races/species" is generally understood. But that's another subject. :)

But the judges at the moment are not trained to recognize different kinds of mixes so it is no wonder that if they haven't personally been around such mixes to develope a keen eye on recognizing them, it's not possible for them to see the difference.
I think that the parental DNA testing should be required before registration in every counrty/Kennel Club around the world and for every breed. This should be the first step as it is the most effective way to prevent mixes/mutts with falcifyed pedigrees.
But I think it could/would also help if the training of judges would be different from what it is at the moment.

Yes, I agree :)

Do you think that you can contakt the Finish Kennel Club and ask them to start whit this on Saarloos and Vlcak´s ??? As Sweden has already started, the FKK and the SKK can work toghether on this and share the results :)

So if I use a Finish male and he is used before in Finland, the FKK already has he´s DNA tests and they can share it whit SKK :) And the other way around :rock_3

We can PM more about this on e-mail or FB...

Best regards / Mikael

Hello,

yesterday i'm in dog show in my country...

there was this dog :

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I see she in world dog show and yesterday.

I see Sangria passo del lupo in 2008 ... mutara ...

for me, D'Eiden is very similar type Mutara.

I don't know what is the crosses, but not real CSW...

For the France, some breeder are very good person and breeder, there is problem in my country yes, same other country ...

do not think either only everyone into insane, the problems worry some people. Warning statements, I am ok, but PLEASE , not accused all breeders, we have serious people here who concerns for future of the breed

For France, soon there should be change ..... :rock_3 ;-)