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Kat 04-06-2005 18:34

Would like Info on a breeder - Mercedes Dream
 
Hi! I am in the process of buying a wolf dog puppy from a breeder from this site. Can anyone give me any feedback on this breeder? The breeder is Mercedes Dream.. Vandijck Kristel & Cools Patrick. All of your input would be greatly appreciated!!!

Koos 04-06-2005 22:02

Hello,

Yes, I know Patrick and Christel and I think you can buy a puppy from them without any problem.

But when you send me a personal E-mail with possibly your problems or further information about them, I will try to help you. You can send the E-mail by wolfdog or to [email protected]

Many greetings,

Letty

Kat 04-06-2005 22:08

Thank you. I haven't had any problems with them, just wanted some feedback. I think their dogs are beautiful! Thank you for your input!

Hanka 05-06-2005 20:16

This litter can have problem: both parents have not rtg. result. The mother is OK, the father has nice head, but his parents are very shy.

Kat 05-06-2005 22:11

Can you tell me what rtg result is?

Margo 05-06-2005 22:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kat
Can you tell me what rtg result is?

"Rtg" ist the short form of Czech word "rentgen" it means the result of X-rays check which can prove if a dog has Hip Dysplasia (HD) or not.

Koos 06-06-2005 00:12

Hello,

Are you sure that both parents are not röntged? And there is a possibility that there will come the most wonderfull dogs from the combination without any shyness. It depends on the breeder and the new dogowner.

Otherwise there is also a possibility that from 2 very good socialiced dogs comes a very shy dog or a whole litter. So I think that is not the problem.

Letty

Pavel 06-06-2005 08:07

Hi Kat,
am not sure, if somebody from the breeders can give you here on public the openly words about any breeder. Its not fair. I feel by my self, that am not able to valuate any breeder on public.
I can ask you only about 2 things :

1. Did you visit the breeder, which you choice and seen his dogs, character, life conditions etc. ?
2. Did you seen any other breeder as well ?

I hope, that both questions you answer "YES". Because in other case is it wrong and you go on wrong way by buying the CsW.
Here can anybody say anything abou anybody but your personally opinion is only one, wnats can helps you.
On other side is true (and for us automatically - means breeders in countries of breed origin), that take the puppies from dogs without bonitation and without HD test is very "non-standard" (very polite says :D ).

Koos 06-06-2005 09:41

Hallo Pavel,

I fully agree with you, therefore I asked Kat, to send a private E-mail to me sothat I could help him.

But in this way, Kat is not able to visit some breeders, because he is not coming from the Europe countries. so he cannot answer your questions with Yes.

The only thing I know, that is, Patrick and Christel are doing their best in the breed. I know them personelly. Of course others can tell a lot of stories about them so in the same way that will be spoken about you and me and a lot of other breeders.

I hope you understand me well.

Many greetings,

letty

of_Mercedes_Dream 06-06-2005 11:40

Hello,
Akela has a very good bonitation and is very social. Ask the breeder of Akela! Some people in Belgium saw her and everybody was surpised that a wolfdog can be so socialised.
Ysfenrir has not a xray but :
1/ from the 30 puppies "de new flame" none had ever had problems and only MY Branca had an xray with B as result.
The vet told me she should have an A, but here in Belgium the commission is the most difficult all over the world.
2/ in Belgium the xray is not obligated.
Ysfenrir is also a very socialised wolfdog. His owner is a teacher and gives in the french part of Belgium lessons in many schools and other organisations about dogs and wolfs. Ysfenrir goes all the time with as example. The dog walk free through the children an adults WITHOUT problems.
The HD you said is only 1 in the 5 th !!!!! generation of the puppy! It's not me who had a litter with her.
The mother of Ysfenrir, Urakova, is also the mother of my Branca. So Hanka come to me and test her if she is social or not. It was Branca who has been in the videoclip of Novastar! You can not do it with a shy dog!

So Hanka, in the future think twice before you answer.
I invite you to see what I'm learning my puppies about socialisation!

greatings
Patrick

Hanka 06-06-2005 13:42

I wrote: "can have problem". And about HD (rtg): For health of wolfdogs is better, when all wolfdogs for breeding have it.

Pavel 06-06-2005 14:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by of_Mercedes_Dream
Akela has a very good bonitation ...

Patrick, can you, please, send us the bonitation code, because we have code from youth presentation only.

Thank you

of_Mercedes_Dream 06-06-2005 14:52

Hello,
It was the youth bonitation I meaned.
Akela will have a Xray in 1 months, when all the puppies are sold and she recovered it all. I put the result on this site.
Patrick

Gaga 06-06-2005 15:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by of_Mercedes_Dream
Hello,
It was the youth bonitation I meaned.
Akela will have a Xray in 1 months, when all the puppies are sold and she recovered it all. I put the result on this site.
Patrick

Did You sold the one month old puppies? :shock:

of_Mercedes_Dream 06-06-2005 15:54

the puppies are born the 21/4/05 !
They leaving next week or the week after.

Pavel 06-06-2005 18:18

Quote:

Originally Posted by of_Mercedes_Dream
It was the youth bonitation I meaned.

OK. But please, dont use the word "bonitation". Youth presentation is not bonitation. Its only pre-valuation of puppies and young dogs and dont say anything about adult dog. By youth presentation e.g. dont check all body measurements and dont be a most important thing - character test. Youth presentation is mostly for the breeders, from which kennel coming the puppies. For the breed or for the owners says youth presentation just nothing. Its the reason, why its call not "youth bonitation" but "youth presentation" only.
For really seriously breeding is needed a really bonitation and a oficially HD test (not only valuation from some non-certified veterinary. We have had a same problem, like you wrote about. In CZ have one veterinary a monopol for CsW and he was extremly. So that we accept any HD test from any FCI certified veterinary (doesnt matter, if from CZ or abroad). Maybe its a solution for belgian breeders as well. But breeding without bonitation and without HD test I see not good and responsible for whole CsW breed.

of_Mercedes_Dream 06-06-2005 22:26

Hello Pavel,
Thank you for the explanation. You see, here in Belgium we have to learn a lot about csw. Before my litter there was only 1 breeder in Belgium. In Belgium we only have +/- 70 csw.

About the HD: I will write the official FCI in Belgium (St Hubertus) a letter, to explain it and asking for HD results.

I hope that one day a bonitation will take place in our countries.

Greatings
Patrick

z Peronówki 09-06-2005 14:07

Patrick, you must unterstand Pavel and Hana (which is member of Czech breeding committee) - in the origin countries it is simply unimaginable to breed with dogs which do not have the HD-results.... :roll:

Quote:

Originally Posted by of_Mercedes_Dream
1/ from the 30 puppies "de new flame" none had ever had problems.

I'm sorry but is says nothing. Even if the dogs have no symptoms (now) it doesn't mean they are healty. We know dogs with very stong HD which move very good now (young dogs have very good muscles which are moving the legs even if the hips are "destroyed") but many of such dogs will have seroius problems when they get older.... And in many cases the HD goes in lines....
Second thing - how many dogs from this 30 puppies are checked? Statistically about 40-70% of ALL CzWs have problems with the penn hips. So it is simply not possible that all these dogs are healty because - there are NO hd-free lines (not only by CzW but also by all breeds).

Quote:

Originally Posted by of_Mercedes_Dream
2/ in Belgium the xray is not obligated.

It is not good excuse... :( We are not talking about "Collie Eye Anomaly" (unknown by our breed) or PRA (which is common by Saarloos but also unknow by CzWs) but we talk about illness which can be called "typical also for this breed".
Patrick, I know your story and the story of Akela, and I know you will make the X-rays. But I'm talking about breeders which premeditated breed with potential ill dogs.... :?

of_Mercedes_Dream 09-06-2005 14:43

Hello,
Today I called the vet to make a x-ray. Next friday it will be done.
For Heron I must waite untill he has 16 months.

The next two years Akela will be covered by Edy Krivotklasky Atos (luxemburg) and Nexus Titan Van Rijnekerhof(france). Both dogs have an "A".

So Margo I'm happy that you know the story of Akela. And specially the death of Kavak.

Greatings
Patrick

z Peronówki 09-06-2005 18:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by of_Mercedes_Dream
The next two years Akela will be covered by Edy Krivotklasky Atos (luxemburg)

Hmmm...I didn't knew he has breeding rights (i will add him during the next update). If you will find out any other stud dogs which can be used for breeding but are not on our stud dogs list please let me know so I can add such dogs to our listing...
Thanks in advance!


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