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AND !!! we have new "biznes plan" in Lithuania.
this man Thomas Zagurskis have this web site.
http://thomasfamilypuppies.lt/eng.html

and wo interesing cann You see?
in first web site You cann se steal logo from kennel "Crying wolf".
Hes wish buy from Edith puppy like normal buyer, but I see this info about hes pupps in this web site.
this be :
http://girios-dvasia.wolfdog.org/gal...rpard_vada.jpg

all info be in hes web site 5 minut latter from speak with Edith.

next days hes steal me personel text about wolf and wolfdog, ok I wright hem and 5 minut latter this text be out. but I have all copy.

Hes call me and very angry scream me "who You make- this is me biznes and I have licensie from this, and all info I cann use- I have permission from breeder". Hmm ... I all thime have contact with Edith... and .. hes not have "permission and contact" with breeder.

Hes steal Helena photo and cut Copyrigth sign. I wrigth to hem about this steal- ok hes make out this photo.

Today I see new info : hes have new pupps.
You cann this see:
http://girios-dvasia.wolfdog.org/gal...onigs_tery.JPG

I wright email to breeder and now whait replay.

other info :
http://girios-dvasia.wolfdog.org/gal...album=6&page=1

Who we cann make?
I know - hes have problems with people who wish buy wolfdogs with 1600 euro price. in me country not be good market to wolfdogs biznes :twisted: but... this situation me not like.

Hello Daiva, I wrote him too about foto with copyright "helenasotis", there is head of my male:evil:. Hanka

hmm I chek all and have "suspicious" :twisted: breeder list.
first victim be "Crying wolf"
now "von Konigs - Terry", wo be next?
Now all breeder mas wery hard check all email about pupps.

Now we get as a admins folowing email :
Hello,

I'm Thomas from Lithuania www.thomasfamilypuppies.lt We are not breeders but We are not re-seller We are just promotion CSW I do not think that its a big problem .. And We got from Hungarian and Romanian breeders permit and We are promotion her dogs and puppies .. Beacause in Lithuania more people interesting CSW I do not think that we are doing bad for CSW more people calling us and say that thanks and more people say that First time We saw CSW .. Its means Lithuanian breeders not works good for promotions.. And We love CSW and We would like to propose CSW .. And We are not steal
Pictures from breeders website We got directly email from breeders for available puppies. We are not selling puppies breeders sales to customers

Thanks
Thomas Zagurskys
Skype:thomasfamilypuppies
www.thomasfamilypuppies.lt
+37060099454

Hmm, very interesing email.
But WHO I have others info from breeders?
And when people wish moore know about wolfdogs, he not have any problem to find www.wolfdog.org or call me. :)
very interesing explain. But wo see in hes web site.
NOT BE info about breeders, who is who, steal photo without copyright
like this:
http://www.thomasfamilypuppies.lt/wolf/tevas2.jpg


real photo:
http://www.cryingwolf.hu/images/a1d6...947e652ab6.jpg

and kennel logo without all name, or parents info : (this is the best method to kennel reklam)?
http://www.thomasfamilypuppies.lt/wolf/fatherped.jpg
real is:
http://www.cryingwolf.hu/?command=dogs&id=144


If breeder wish have reklam about hes kennel or litter he cann this have in ours kennel club web site. www.kinologija.lt

And we all know this true- wolfdog is not like beautiful doggy from garden hes is big, loving but a little problematic dog, and we not wish have future like husky.... beautiful is cruel :evil:

Pavel thanks from info

A lot of people, interested in CSW are calling me too, the thing is, they do not know anything about the breed. Just like you, Mr. Zagurskys. If one gets a dog, thinking is just a usual dog, but looking like a wolf, this may turn in to something really sad.
I am not wolfin and I am not planning to fight with you via e-mails. But I know more effective ways, Mr. Zagurskys.
I know you are reading this.
I do not care what you are doing with other breeds, but I stricktly recomend you to get your hands OF wolfdogs.
Be careful. Mr. Zagurskys.

So far there fact is (as far I understand):
Crying wolf and Konigs-Terry gave the permission to public the info from their web pages. Thomas did not steal the photos...
We had similar question on wolfdog - we didn't get the permission (there was no time to answer the email) and Thomas did not take any info or photos from Wolfdog.org. So I see he keep to this.

The problem is different - Crying wolf use photos made by Helena. So far I know Helena agree to it when people keep to the copyright rules.. On Crying wolf web page it is so but not on the Lithuania page - in this case the photos are taken and the copyright removed and it is NOT ALLOWED.
So the only person which rights has been broken is Helena.... So Thomas please fix it.... (the beautiful CzW photos made by her can be published ONLY with copymark OR information that the photos are made by her: http://www.helenasotis.info/)

he used this:
http://girios-dvasia.wolfdog.org/gal...tas_perpt_.jpg
orginal be:
http://www.wolfdog.org/lit/238.html
and me personel text:
http://girios-dvasia.wolfdog.org/gal...tekstas_2n.jpg
orginal is:
http://www.wolfdog.org/lit/articles/1196.html
and this:
http://girios-dvasia.wolfdog.org/gal...tas_5n%7E0.jpg

this is from wolfdog.

AND when I this see- I wright to hem and quest- have hes permision for this use? Answer- not Your biznes, I this have from..... breeder. hmm But breeder is from Hungary but text is in me language.
When I send hem links from this orginal web site, he make out all.But, he used this when not have permsion.
And... You thinks others be with permission?
When He yeastarday wright abt me- I fals all Edith email who I have....m when hes know what cann this make... maybe ... I not have moore words.:twisted: hm

We need find the good side of this, at least he not only copy the fothos but the information too... who be interessed in a puppy and comes to his site will probably read a minimum about the breed.. at the site.
At least the informations are right and comes from a rellyable place, wolfdog.org.
I will be really worried if he start to write lies about the breed for sold puppies.
When more information about the breed be spread, better.
Maybe he won't see problems in put the names of the author at the information, if already not have. I don't ignores the possibility of the "breeder" sended him the Lituan information of wolfdog.org without saying that it comes from this site and have authors.. that not the suposed breeder.

No Margo, you are not right! I have never give permission anybody to use pics from my webside!!!! Daiva wrote me last Saturday and informed me that somebody in Litvania use some of my pics...I have never knew anything about it before!
A few days later we found some pics from Rodica's page......but she hadn't knew anything about it before my email!
Moreover do you think I let somebody to use some part of my kennel logo????!!!!!! My all logo was created by my friend and it is all right reserved!!!!! Or let somebody to use some part of the pics without signature (Quenno portrai from Helena)????!!!!!
Believe me, I'm too proud of my kennel, of my dogs , so I surly put advertisement just under my name!
Anyway, I sale pups just diretly to the new owners!!!!!!!

I see one more problem. He is using photos of the dogs and we all know about the planned litters. If I see information about the litter on re-seller's site I understand, that this respectful breeder is selling his puppies to re-sellers :shock: Death of the reputation.
He also uses a slogan, that Daiva is using on her website since 2006 - "Thare is nothing more beautiful than wolf". If I read in his add - I understand that Daiva is also involved :twisted:

Or reputation doesn't mean anything anymore?

Yes, i agre, now we with others breeder make this:
http://www.skelbiu.lt/5004998.html
a little info who is re-saller and link to forum about hem and forum about breed.

I don't think this kill the reputation, I don't know if the breeders really have send these information and photos to him or if he just comes to the sites and copy then, principally when the breeder lives in other country, this gives more courage to people copy and uses the photos without care, anyway, when a hungaryan person will search in latvian if exist a latvian people using his photos and dogs for announce? Probably never, at least I will never sleep thinking that some japaneses can take the photos of my dogs and use then at litter announcement, as exemple.
Fell time ago I find a litter of my bulldog announced... but she is neuthered because displasy since 18 months :lol:

Well, I wouldn't want the photos of my dog to be published on a site like this. First of all - in Lithuania, a breeder, who sells his puppies to re-sellers, can no longer breed dogs with pedigrees.
And these are not just stolen photos, he says to people, that the owner of these dogs are selling puppies to re-sellers.

Taking no account of the matter if this is ethical to resell puppies I would like to advise people whos images were used without permission to kindly ask Mr. Zagurskys to remove the copyrighted material from his webpage. If he will not react to your request you can always contact his webhosting company to block the website which breaks the law. The company when notified is forced to take any necessary steps to stop illegal activities hosted on their servers.

Contact information for the domain registar:

Company name: UAB "INFORMACIJOS ALĖJA"
Email: [email protected]
Fax: +370870005070

Webhosting company for thomasfamilypuppies.50webs.com:
Company name: 50 Webs (it's free hosting)
Email: [email protected]
Phone: +359-888-373-946

Przemus,
we have one breeder in Lithuania who make this - Thomas steal shes text about pupps and used this.
web site be closed, but.... next day he is a live. he has new serwer.

So it change everything... He must remove the infromation and the photos.... :rock_3

Edith - I would even no wonder if you would give him the permission.. Why? Because his emails asking for the permission were harmless - he asked if he can use the info and photos because he makes a new web page promoting the breed in Lithuania. I think no breeder would see anything wrong in it...

You din't gave any - the case is clear: the info and photos must dissapear from his page... :p

Nor me, but what can I make if someone in the other side of the world is using a photo of my dogs without I know? Maybe if you search you can find photos of your dogs at chinese sites in the same way, but you will only know about it if someone told you that it's happing, and so, after you know about it you can enter with a action against it.
This is internet, serious buzines. ;-)
Well, if Edit isn't selling dogs to him, soon will appear a interessed person wanting a puppie from this site, and he will sold as Edit puppy, but he won't have pedigree with Crying wolf name and nor even with the parents that Edit uses for make the litter announced by him. if he have pedigree, so, probably, if the owner get that he fall in a lie, he will enter in justice against this re-seller.

So change the way of solving the problem... Edith and Helena must not take part if it and solve the problem on the international level but you can make it fast. Ask the person to remove the copyrighted materials which belong to you. Give him some time - for example 24 hours. After this time go to the police and report this case...

People please:You see hes web site?
http://thomasfamilypuppies.lt/eng.html
"Puppies for sale
We offer Quality Puppies from Top Lines at affordable prices from responsible and reputable breeders! Rare breeds are also available. Click to see our puppies for sale"
And this is web site about breeds? I not see standart, not see hystory, not see info about character, only "puppies for sale" and ZERO info about parents, about kennel, about breeder, only photo and... please buy, buy.

When I be breeder, who I mas sale for hem pupps, when I not know who pupps be transport, who owners he have, and... when I know - hes from this biznes have minimu 30-50 % money from pupps price who mas pay new owner.
for NOTHING he have money.

I think and i and Margo, and Edith have this situation when people wish buy puppy and we help hem with all info with help to transport or pedigree export, and make this FREE.

yes, maybe I be stupid and see this world in utopia light...

I see that how many days here talk about our website its big help for us !! and for CSW now more people know about CSW . I think that its a our jobs..

1) We are not re-sellers beacause we are not buying puppy and selling We are just find new owner and propose to breeders. Im not buying any puppy from anybreeders.
2) Yes i published pictures CSW but im getting permission from breeders. I did not copy and add our website.. Where is the permission on my email inbox and my gmail messenger history..
3) If cryingwolf said that im not give permission then why cryingwolf not join this discussion..
4) On the our website is more breeds and anypuppies we are not sale ,, Breeders sale to owners.. We are autohorizations from breeders.
You can see some breeds permition paper.
http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/r...olajimas-1.jpg
5) When breeders said that add my pictures for advertisment then we can add. We are not steal pictures .. it no necesary for us ..
6) About Lithuanian Breeders i can say anybad words. and we did say that this puppies our puppies ...
7) We are not breeders and We are not professional for CSW . But we can propose everyking breeds on our website and we can propose breeders puppies..
8) Everybreeders can use our systems... and Every breeders can sale puppies where they wants !!
9) For example Hungry breeders sale puppies to Lithuania or American breeders sale puppies to Hungry i dont see problem !! Free market !!
10) If wolfdog org is some statement for marketing I mean Lithuanian breeders can not sale puppy to Hungry its a stupid things...

I can show all email and all conversation with breeders .. but its will be not for me problem with breeders ... Now we deleted all pictures from our site.. beacause we do not want to do bad for breeders... If somebody give to us judgement then everbody will se what we has on our hands permission or not.. Beacause for us no problem we propose CSW or not !!.. I think so that we was propose CSW on the baltic region... then Daiva said that i sold all my puppies thanks !! :p i dont know how is sold !! If she has any litters :)) but maybe okay its a no problem with us .. Problem is other side ..

I will ask to all breeders Again and again !! if we have not permission.. How we can publish pictures... and Why she is not join this discussion!!

Best Regards .


Best Regards

I wrote with Thomas too and he wrote me about this situation. He promised me next time he will not use fotos with copyright...Or he will want agreement of autor of fotos.
So in this moment I have not problem with Thomas already, because "my fotos" are deleted.

Thanks for your understanding !! Good Bless all CSW Breeders and CSW :)

She had join to this topic as Jasmine.

Sorry okay im always using real name i dont know she is using jasmine !!
okay its problem is finish !! I hope so that everybody understand this problem!! We are not re-seller .. We are just propose breeders puppies We are not buy 10 CSW puppies and sale by one by !! We are proposing puppies to new owners but Owners always contact with breeders... Beacause We can not know about CSW conditions and We can not give to owner about info for CSW ... But i think so that we can offer CSW puppies to our website its not big problem... Yes We was mistake for copyright i understand and i accept and now in our website any pictures or announcement for puppies...

Thomas, sorry, but you are lying. When you found CSW litter for the customer and you were asked who is the breeder, you said - sorry, I won't tell who is the breeder as we want to make some money too.
There is a proof but in Lithuanian language.

No.. im not liying yes i have to win money when i found new owners i have to get my comission here is not church ,, But you can say that im buying puppy and i sale to owner sorry but no... Sure if i found new customer and i propose your puppy i have to win money !! Yes When i talk new owners until deposit i did not say breeders .. after deposit why not ... You have understand that i make business but im not buying puppy and sale ..

If i propose your puppy i have to get comission yes !!

And now i have 3 customers for CSW but my owners waiting my answer ... when i get deposit then i will say my customers breeders email or website or phone!! and is so easy to check if i will buy puppies must be pedigree on my name yes !! But you are wrong everypuppy works papers will be on new owners names .... We are not selling puppies , We are selling information about available puppies... it so easy understand ...

Yes, and how you can be so sure, that breeder will sell the puppy to THESE people? Not every person is able to handle with CzW, and a good breeder will not sell a puppy to a person, not suitable for it. Or do you think you know enought about the breed you can check the potential buyers? How do you do this? Or the only condition is money?

Now everybody looking to cryingwolf she is sale puppies or not !! Now What dou you think Daiva did good !! for my site not good !! For me no matter 3 CSW sold or not im propose 50 breeders puppies on my site ... and we are working with hungry breeders so friendly... Breeders win selling puppies i win selling information i do not think that its bad for me and for breeders...

I have to say again We are not church sure that we have to win money breeders must win money too.. and all information about breeds must give all info to owners not me must give breeders.... its a marketings systems .. Now all around the world economic crises .. If i help to breeders its bad!!!....

Everbody know that CSW is not populars breeds but so specific breeds .. and i dont know about CSW nothing ....just i accept my mistake or my fault was publish Ms.Hanka's dog .. this was my fault but for cryingwolf puppies publish with permission.. i can show on the judgement everythings.. Im not stupid im not 15 years old. I know everythings for business... i know that without permission you can publish anythings...

And Hanka wrote to me email in same second i deleted picture... Why im not publish now cryingwolf puppies Beacause i dont want to she is a victim for pictures.. i said again no problem CSW puppies for sale or not but problem is friendship for breeders... thanks

1) Im not selling puppies to Alcoholic or Psicol problem person im selling puppies to Family...
2) We first get deposit after owners contact with breeders.. If breeders say that i can not sale this person then money back whats a problem
3) Yes money is important what dou you think money for u not important
4) When we talked with cryingwolf she said me first always " Important for me buyers if buyers can not look this puppy then sales agreement she can cancel
5) Deposit always back to owner if breeders say that NO !!

No it's not, as breeding and business never go together hand in hand. And all respectable breeders know it.. Do you know that good dogs from respectable breeders are not for sale to anyone who wishes to buy? Respectable and honest breeders choose owners for their puppies. If a person who wants to buy a puppy is not worth it then respectable breeder doesn't sell it to him. To get a good dog from a wonderfull kennel usually you must prove that you will be the best owner in the world for their puppy and that you are worth it.
So my question is - how do you select the owners? If the customer is very rich but know nothing about the dogs (and he even doesn't try to know something because he doesn't care, he wants the puppy only because of the prestige) do you still desperately try to find a dog for him? -- the question is rhetorical and need no answer, because answer is clear as crystal. You search puppies for anyone who wishes to buy as long as they pay money. And you don't care if the puppy will spend the rest of it's life like an unloved creature or even will be put to the shelter.

Sure, this is business. And business is business. That's why business never go together with honest and respectable breeding.

Okay !! But you know we are not say to breeders please sale your puppies to my owners and we are not liar that i will say to breeders please sale to me puppy .. i will look your puppy best ... We are saying directly We are dog consultant and we can find your puppy new owners if you dont want you can not accept ... its breeders decission... I said always to breeders i have owners for your puppies accept or disaccept... and that;s all... and i think so that our systems is perfect...

1) We find new owners for your puppies
2) We get deposit after deposit you contact with owners if you accept we will sent money to your account.. if no money back to owner...
3) We are not selling puppies look likes apples !!
4) We have not farm that we can buy 100 puppies and selling im not stupid ..why i need this farm and bigrisk im selling informations and thats all !! i have no petshop all pupps stay on my shop... no we are selling info!!

[quote=BlueBelton;
Sure, this is business. And business is business. That's why business never go together with honest and respectable breeding.[/quote]

I have questions sorry
1)For what you breeds your puppies for business for hobby?
2) When you get puppies you are giving for free or for money !!!
3) You never sale puppies abroad ?? I mean not export to other country...
4) If somebody wants to buy your puppy from USA people must come to your kennel and expense for puppy 4000 usd fly ticket ...
5) How you choice your owners if owners from USA or From Brazil or maybe your princip not sale to USA or Brasil ???
6) Our jobs is not puppymill , Puppymill its mean you get everymonths 50 puppies and sale ... I said many times but people if does not understand then i can do anythings... We are selling info !!!!

and last questions is :)
I check all discuss more answer from Lithuania I think that problem !! concurency !! Beacause im living to Lithuania !! :rock_3 its same region We are working!! If you are breeds puppy just for hobby then you are no necesary my help .. But you know all the world not just Lithuania... Lithuania small country .. is maybe 2 CSW Breeders .. but all the world is maybe 50 breeders i dont know realy !!.. .. What dou you think that i deleted CSW pictures... now is good for everybody now you are happy.. i think so that of smart people must say... CSW pictures must be on every website its big promotions... ( Sure that with copyright this was my mistakes i accept but just Hanka's dog)
about puppies i have permission ..

Best Regards

[quote=thomas;170901] We are dog consultant and we can find your puppy new owners [quote]

How can you be a consultant without necessary expierience? You said by yourself for example that you know nothing about CSW. And what do you know about huskies, JRT's and many other breeds? So how can you consult people?

As I said the respectable and honest breeder will never use your service because of the arguments I stated. In my opinion you may get interest only from the "breeders" who don't care too much about their puppies. And because of the lack of your knowlege and non-selective system (which surely needs knowlege too) lots of puppies may go to unworthy homes.

Well again I will state that respectable breeding will never go together with business.

Plus an owner who goes this way isn´t a good owner for a responsible breeder. He didn´t get himself informed or we wouldn´t choose this way.

Ina

I think so that You dont want understand or You do not understand !! I can not know 50 breeds history or training or maiting.. I said again and i will say again !!

1) Owners come to me said i want to get CSW yes... I said okay..
2) I found breeders get info about litters and parents info
3) Give to all info to Owner
4) If owner wants to buy give deposit
5) After deposit contacts with breeders
a) If breeders said that this owners not good for my puppies deposit comeback to owner
6) If okay then Breders sale puppies to buyer .. and prepare all papers to new owners name

I think so easy understand that ..

Sure that i understand to you You do not want work with this systems. okay its for us no problem on the worlds breders realy more and more !! somebody like my sytems and work with us or no... but you can not say on me that we are doing bad... I said we are selling no puppies we are selling info !!..

okay its a no problem We respect your choice and please you respect our
good luck !!

I do not breed dogs. My friends worldwide do not breed puppies neither for business nor only for just breeding. They breed dogs for the selection and for the sake af the breed.

Ir the person is the best owner in the world and is worth it, he can get the puppy for free easily. Everything depends on the situation.

I do not breed. But it doesn't matter where are you from, the matter is WHO YOU are.

Usually respectable breeders comunicate with peolple who are interested in their puppy not several days or weeks, the comunication can last a year, two or even more if needed. After some time you start to know and rely on each other and then the breeder can send the puppy simply on CARGO.

look to number 1). But still If I have any progeny I surely never will send it to USA. But it's a different thing, it's breed's policy.

Absolutely right

Oh really. Being not alcoholic and having a familly - it is enought to live with a CzW? You can sell poodles maybe as wonderful family dogs, CzW is not the kind of dog that every family can handle.

Quote:
4) If somebody wants to buy your puppy from USA people must come to your kennel and expense for puppy 4000 usd fly ticket ...
Usually respectable breeders comunicate with peolple who are interested in their puppy not several days or weeks, the comunication can last a year, two or even more if needed. After some time you start to know and rely on each other and then the breeder can send the puppy simply on CARGO.

its not good ansver !!

Maybe They are actor and How you can know that they are not liar to you!!
How you can cominucates they are writing to you email and you answer.. but you dont know exactly where is people living !! .. sorry its answer was nooo!!! ... better no sale to abroad puppy !!

I did not say that everypeople must get CSW !!! Where i said show me !! if you do not like my sytems you can not join its a not big problem for us !! thanks for good discussion !!

ok. you find the litter. The breeder says - No. This person is not worth the dog. But your customer still wants to get a puppy and he pays more. You search again. For example you find another litter but the breeder's answer is the same. So you will search for the puppy as long as your customer pays you, aren't you? And your service not depends on what kind of person is your customer, as long as he pays, you desperately will search for puppy.. Well I stated all the situation before..

sorry but I can see only one positive feature of your system. It will be a good help for respectable breeders to know who is who. And to know with which other breeders and puppy buyer not to have any contact at all.

sorry I made nonsense with quotation because of the rush :)

Nobody can give best answer this question !!

How you can know USA owners corporate with you 6 months by internet and How you accept this people for CSW is best ?????????? How ??
He will sent to you family pictures He will show to you house car.. and write about love CSW but you can not know its a true !!!!!!!!!!!! and sent your puppy by cargo.... its okay... but you can not check after selling your puppy on best hand or not how you can check !! Please dont lies you can not check
its a big risk always will be this risk !!

Nonsense. You can't lie a year or two :) By the way, there are cellphones nowadays, not only e-mails.

[quote=BlueBelton;170916]
You do not want see others and show just one look all !!! it will be good

1) Owners come to me said i want to get CSW yes... I said okay..
2) I found breeders get info about litters and parents info
3) Give to all info to Owner
4) If owner wants to buy give deposit
5) After deposit contacts with breeders
a) If breeders said that this owners not good for my puppies deposit comeback to owner
6) If okay then Breders sale puppies to buyer .. and prepare all papers to new owners name

sorry but i do not want more discuss i explain my sytems what more !! nothing and i did say anybody work with me .. here was discoussion and i have to explain and thats all.. not more

Thanks for all
Good Blees all breeders for economic crises !!!

Sorry but you don´t seem to understand. All informations you can give the future owner can find here on this site for free. So the only good thing of your system is that it clearly shows that the future owner either isn´t willing to spend time and thoughts to the breed he is interested in or that he is too stupid to do so, in both cases he is no suitable owner

Ina

I can not say anythings about CSW your sytems is best realy if somebody wants to buy puppy can use your site !! But you forget that we are not propose just CSW :) We are proposing 50 breeds ..

I can´t see any breed difference.

As an owner from the US, I can say that I went through months of communication with both of my breeders - one of my breeders stayed with me at my house in the USA - it was a long and wonderful process, not overnight. I fee that I have a very close friendship with my breeders. Before I bought a dog, I did as much research as I could, and still try to learn more every day. The owner from Brazil traveled to Europe to meet her breeders! Buying a puppy should never be a quick and easy choice made in a day or a week...

its good sample for new owners its means if you can sent puppy by cargo You can not know that owners is good or not sure !! its not way ship puppy by cargo and just talk by messenger or email sure !! its fantastic example.. but everybreeders or every buyer can expense for that its big ??????????

okay thanks for discuss just i wanted to join here that we are not puppymiller i explained all our systems how is works !! Breeders or Buyer can choice which systems for him is best Best Regards.. I do not want more join beacause im not breeders or owner for CSW thank again

Sincrelery
Thomas

hello everybody and sorry for appearing here in the middle of such a conflict.
mr thomas hope you are still with us...8)

There are many ways of damaging a breed, yours mr thomas is no better than other, but just...more appropriate in the 21st century...you are using the internet...
I did speak until 2 min ago with the owner of konigs terry kennel, and she said she did not allow you to use info, pictures or anything else in order to promote the breed or her puppies on your site.
more than that, she said she doesn't know who you are.
if you wonder why she is not here to say that...she is not speaking english. try on the germansection of the forum, and she will wait you there to explain to you that.

... as for your actions that can damage a breed, yes, you do that or can do that. I know CSW breeders tell every future owner what are the PROBLEMS of the breed, I bet you are not doing that because you cannot afford the risk of losing a client. so CSWs can end with an inappropriate owner who thinks he is purchasing a "family dog". people like you I can find hundreds in romania too...that's why other good breeds like rottweiler are now the paria of the dog lovers community, and only breeders can enjoy them... I see you are good on twisting other people's words but...I am better on "un-twisting " them back. it doesn't matter if you are buying the puppy then search for a client or you are searching for clients then buy the puppy for them...you cannot tell me that you tell the future owners how those wonderful dogs really are. you cannot pretend that you tell breeders that the puppy you are buying is not for yourself but for a third party.

...so....you are not giving the breeder the chance to choose "what system is better for him" because the breeder does not know he is not selling the puppy to the final owner. as for the buyer, if he knows something ...a little something...about the breed that particular breed, he will NOT choose to buy a puppy with your help...so you can only sell to people who do not know about the breed and who can not find out about the breed what they have to know...because you don't know or you don't want to tell them about it... you are most likely to sell EXACTLY to those who would never be a breeder's choice.

I will end saying again that any info or pictures or whatever you have on your site from konigs terry'site... you have NOT with the breeder's approval.

Sorry but i explained everythings i do not want more discuss i do not want show all my email here beacause it will be bad for breeders .. If i can not get pictures from romanian breeders from where i got pictures about puppies beacause she is not pictures on website !! please no need more talk about that !! i said my systems i explained everythings !! thanks again sorry but i dont want join thanks for understanding

Everybody who contacts breeders gets pictures of puppies or parents but...did you tell Konigs Terry that you do not want those for your own but for using them on your site in order to find clients? NOOOO:twisted: ... I did warn you not to try to twist my words, I know enough english and enough about people, breeders and different kind of re-sellers. For any breeder here present, what you are doing is not a question of money you earn, not a question of copyright, but a problem of how you are using those info in order to find clients who are NOT suitable for this specific breed.
8)you are dancing with the wolves here, but you ain't got the rhytm... :twisted:

Sure, the ones, who are lazy enought to use google and contact the breeder and answer a few simple questions. Most probably one of those, who see a photo of a "wolf" and decide it will be SO COOL to show it to friends :twisted:

I explained everythings what i must i have to show everythings about breeders and breeders get from FCI 1000 euro staff Dou you want that ???
i said i do not want more talk and thats all if breeders give to me judgement then i can show every email and finish

yes mr thomas, as you are still with us, show us the mail where Konigs Terry specifically allowed you to use her info in order to re-sell or find a client for her puppies...before you do that keep in mind the meaning of the english word "forgery", and the consequences.8)

;-) I was afraid I ended to be "the lone wolf" here hihihi...
I saw a MUUUUCH more funny request of puppy... one time a few years ago, a young man in a show approached K-T and asked her when he can have a puppy...because he had a small family bussiness, a mini-motel in a beautiful mountain area, motel he called "The Wolf House", so he is sure that a dog like that- he pointed Crying Wolf Cester- will be the perfect dog to keep there . After K-T and I finished laughing...the request was of course rejected. After that, we laughed more... imagining customers at the motel together with the nice "wolf" roaming the yard... God knows the young man is likely to have enough money to be mr thomas' next customer.:lol:

sorry but this particular phrase I do not understand, usually you write a better english but here you are too angry I suppose. please explain again what means that mixing of breeders, FCI, 1000 euro and so on...to my best knowledge FCI has nothing to do with money involved in breeding or selling puppies.:shock:

No matter for me !! i said i do not want discuss I hope so understand that or You do not want try understand !! thats this themes for me is close!!
i promise and i can not show !! thats all !! if you wants to fight to me personaly give to me to judgement then i can explain everythings.. We talked with CSW breeders.. and problem is finish why i have to everyday explain .. When Hanka wrote to me email in second was deleted.. and But puppies pictures was deleted just yesterday beacause i talked again with breeders and we deleted thats all nobody want to be in focus ... thanks

Thomas, so why people still find the advertisements on www.one.lt about the wolfdogs for sale with the photos of Quennio od Udhoste with the cutted copyrights mark?

Sorry but i have responbility just for my website if somebody use Wolfdog pictures always you called and ask? Thomas Why people using pictures ask to people its not my problem!! !! i deleted all my add on my website!! thats all ask to one.lt admin !! get info and give to judgement or shot them !!! :lol:

so easy to find this people write to email get this people celular phone number and call!! not me !! i dont know about that i do not want to know more about CSW !! .. if you find on my webstie then you can bla bla bla but now is not your CSW on mywebsite and or somewhere advertisement with my phone.. or my website please check everyday my website...when you will find CSW pictures without copyright then call me or write to email...!! i would like to finsh this themes thanks

You not only put the photos on your website, you also put them to the advertising portal www.skelbiu.lt (we do have screenshots) The photos and information you stole and used are still in the ads about dogs for sale.

Everyone can check it - just go to www.one.lt and refresh the page a few times. The beautiful head of Quennio will appear with a short text about wolfdogs for sale (in Lithuanian of course).

No, I am sure it is you, not anyone else. Once involved with CzW - it is not so easy to pretend you didn't. You published this stolen information not only on your page.

How you can sure !! show me on the add is my phone or my website adress !!
You are so easy put on the shit on my name !! Show me!! and show everybody !! NOT JUST BLA BLA BLA or get screen and put here !!

Not talk more better make job !!! show for everybody !!! get the copy here im waiting !!

I see you are not very polite, are you?

You made this shit and now you have to clean it. The only correct thing you still can do is to contact www.skelbiu.lt and ask them to delete the stolen photos you published there. Because now the animated banner of skelbiu.lt and YOUR information is blinking in other pages.

Don't try to play a fool.

Im using yes she is dog pictures and read wha she said thats all.. What dou you want to more for me ... its finish when you show to me link or screen then i believe you and now please silent beacause ...

You are always affraid that somebody sale to Lithuania CSW .. Sure that can sale everybreeders to Lithuania CSW puppies Why you affraid ?? Why you can concurent with other CSW breeders... Europe Union its means people can propose your puppies where they wants... and Romanian can sale pups to Lithuania ,, Lithuanian can sale to Hungry!! Why you are so affraid that somebody sale puppy to your country !! You know problem is not pictures Problem is BIG CONCURENT !!!!

Hey Girls or Woman i dont know This pictures was from Hanka ,, and we talked with Hanka everythings okay What dou you want more show me one link with my phone or my website !! Im not using CSW Please dont affraid i will not try to sale CSW Just you be happy Lithuania just you can sale puppy no one can try to sale !! You are talking about utopia ..
Show us link not talk same and same !!

Give me this Link show me where is the Link on skelbiu.lt I deleted when we talked with Hanka What dou you talk about that !! ?? SHow me link !!

We are more than happy when people from Lihuania want to get a CzW puppy abroad, they contact our club and get all the information that you give - just we do it for free, because we care about the breed. There are nice CzW from abroad in Lithuania - Alpestre Galicisky Vilk, Raps z Litavskie kotliny, Geyon z Peronowki, and hope we will have more. What we care the most is the PEOPLE who get this kind of dog.
And you are not a concurent for breeders in Lithuania :) None of responsible breeders will sell a good puppy to you, you can only bring to Lithuania some puppies of a really bad quallity...

Okay You are super breeders Show me the Link !! show show !! You are style always say somethings but later escape to other theme Show me the link you said that you find new pictures !! show !!! We are waiting baby!!

You can not concurent with me !! You dont want understand What i say !! Beacause escape from them !! I ask to you Hungarian breeders can sale puppy to Lithuania or Finland breeders can sale or not ?? or everybreeders ask to you that sorry i can sale to Lithuania my puppies !! ... ???:lol:
If you give permission then they are can ????

What dou you talk about im still waiting Link for new pictures without copyrigt !!! and show me that its my jobs!!..

We are waiting !!
I will be so happy if you show me one link !! if you show me !! I will close all my website !!! but if you can not show then what about you !!

Please no change themes im waiting i will not give ansver if you can not show to me that you find new add about CSW !!

Sorry, but are you really stupid or are you just pretending?
Read everything we wrote you on this topic again and again and maybe then you will understand what is WRONG in the things you do.
Are you calling me a liar here? This is allready insulting. I know you are trying to scare a lot of people in Lithuania, who wrote about your "business" on forums, but I am not the one who is easy to scare.
I can not save the link - it is an animated banner and keeps changing. So I made a print screen.
http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/j...s/untitled.jpg

You see here wrote that !! skelbiu.lt its a old advertisement!! show me new |!! its a old !! show me new !!

This print screen is made TODAY. I am repeating again: go to www.one.lt and refresh the page a few times - you will see it yourself.

Hey Babe !! Its advertisement old beacause one.lt got this advertisement from skelbiu.lt show me on skelbiu.lt screen not show me old .. You always play with screen you know that .. show me yesterday or today add.. not old..
and give answer other questions other breeders can sale puppy to Lithuania or not !! ??

and one.lt portal is not avertisement portal one.lt get this promotion from skelbiu.lt but older !! everybody understand that its not from skelbiu.lt show me skelbiu.lt add ??? where ???

It is a skelbiu.lt add, but also advertised on one.lt
Maybe you should stop being hysterical and contact skelbiu.lt, so that they would not advertise it anymore?
The sign of skelbiu.lt is on the photo, in the right corner and I am sure you can see it.
Again: don't play a fool.

http://i474.photobucket.com/albums/r...pies/onelt.jpg

Where ??? show me link on skelbiu.lt dont lies

all my add here i do not see add about CSW !!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.skelbiu.lt/mybrowse.php?u...31396&active=1

Thomas, refresh the page - and you will see your add. It is an animated banner and the information keeps changing. Read more attentively.

i did 10 times refresh this page i think that its a old !! but no matter i said i have no more add !! i can do nothing for you sorry !!! show me please link that now is new add ... i could not find that !!

its not big problem !! beacause now where any add .. its mean if one.lt visitor click on the banner no info beacause no add !! its a small problem i realy try 10 times i can get any !

:twisted: problem is not "finish" until re-sellers won't quit damaging good breeds, mr thomas. I train dogs for dog lovers and I see every day the pitiful results of your work.
As for involving FCI in this discussion..hm mr thomas , you, as well as other puppy-millers and re-sellers, do not know that the name FCI and FCI's rules of breeding and placing puppiesare not a joke and are not made for you to use in your bussiness.

its problem finish 3 days ago but you do not want understand !! good luck !!
i do not want explain again and again its your problem bye,,, if you have any problem with me my phone +37060099454 my email :[email protected]

And its not your problem beacause We talked with Hanka and problem is finish If i publish your dogs or pups then talk about that ... its mean your are not responder for that thanks !! result We are not proposing CSW and we believe that Lithuanian Breeders is wonderfull breeders on the world..

So more interesting why other breeders not say nothing about that beacause problem is finish !! We are not publish pictures no where what dou you want to more !!! okay we understand nobody can sale to Lithuania CSW puppies We understand that you are super breeders.... :lol:

Annoucment : If somebody want to sale puppies to Lithuania please get first Lithuanian breeders permission if no then they are say for you ! You are re-seller :)))

A superb example of word-twisting.

Mr.Thomas, remember one thing - a breeder and re-seller (puppy-miller or whatever who makes business from dogs and doesn't make any effort for the sake of breed) is not the same. So please, don't measure yourself with breeders as you are in the second (re-seller: puppy, information or whatever you re-sale) category.
You still don't understand. Breeders, who sell their puppies to Lithuania, are welcome here because gene pool gets bigger in this way. Unwelcome are re-sellers who make demage to the breed.

I said again and again I have no problems with Czech or Hungarian breeders WHY ?? i have a problem with Lithuanian breeders WHY ??? its so easy to find answer

1) What it was published Lithuanian breeders puppies or Lithuanian breeders dogs NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
2) Why Czech or Hungarian breeders said that I have no problem with Thomas ??????
3) Lithuanian breeders now is available puppies NOOOOOOOO!!
4) When Breeders Handa wrote to me email and said that please delete those pictures.. I deleted YESSSSSSSSSSS
5) Why Puppies pictures deleted beacause i dont want that Breeders think is bad breeders who give me permission !!
6) Why Lithuanian breeders always discuss and other no beacause other breeders they has not problem with me!!

Its so easy understand Beacause Lithuania is so small country... maybe is customers for CSW 4-5 .. So then customers wait Lithuanian breeders when it will be litters then they will sale !! :) but what i did .. I did broke market :)
beacause i show that on the net is other litters .... I said again im not breeders i explain my systems its a problem not CSW pictures or other ..
Problem is concurentation !!

Now !! I respect everybreeders its no problem for me sale or not sale ... but every smart people must think that its big reklam for CSW .... And i believe that my oppunion was best .. just my mistake was for Hanka dog and i explain to Hanka she understood that but everybody can see here just scream Lithuanian breeders !! WHY !!!!!!!!!!!and you can see that all junior members is Lithuanian Breeders friends !!!

No matter for me again i respect everybreeders and everypuppy ,, People can say on me im re-sellers or puppy mill :)) But this people does not know what its means re-seller and puppy miller ... :lol: but its not true beacause i said im not buying 10 dog keep on my petshop and selling !! im not stupid why i need that i found customers for your puppy propose and you sale your puppy and i get comission not more !!

FCI statement not show that I can not give info about new puppies if you have problem im not first on the world for this business look at the www.europuppy.com they biggest then me more and more !! im small dog brooker and thats all..

Thomas
God Bless Best Breeders always !! Jelious breeders will be always Jelious !!
My mother said me when i was kid !! if people born stupid must die stupid ..
beacause you can not change this people if people born stupid... and die
stupid .. i explain 100 times but more people understand that my systems...
but Lithuanian breeders an breeders friends does not want understand !!

Then good luck to you for future !!

There is one obvious thing which I noticed. People who "breeds" puppies without pedigree says the same arguments as Thomas :) And the most important argument is - strife. :lol: Oh brother... people can be so funny :lol:

Yes i will keep always what i say !! thats all !! i said if somebody is problem with me they can call or write email !! on the forum discuss not help !! Beacause i did not see here more breeders I see here always scream from Lithuanian breeders and I do not understand !! one things too !! Why people using my systems and people getting happy and healty puppy why owners not write about me bad !! Just breeders why !! i said again and again We are not say to breeders please give me puppy for sale !! :)) we are offer our systems they can use or not !! its simply ansver can you choice our systems ?
if yes welcome if no good luck thats what more !! Now you can discuss each other how much dou you want maybe i will join after one weeks

Best Regards all CSW Lovers !
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