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jasmine 15-08-2008 12:54

Europa Show Budapest 03.-05.10.2008
 
Hello,

I would like to invite you to Europa Show Budapest 03-05.October.
The 3rd deadline is today (15.08) but our kennelklub accept the applications till 22.8. ( official infos but not published)
info: http://www.eurodogshow2008.hu/

Klubshow will be 03.10.2008. Deadline is 3th of September.
info: http://www.eurodogshow2008.hu/kl40_en.html

If you need some help please do not hesitate to contact me :
+36-30-3914020
email: [email protected]

If you have accomodation problem, you are welcome in my please just let me know!


See you in Budapest!


Edit

wolfin 15-08-2008 14:40

Edit, thanks for Your help :) i have me dogs registret and now i whait to inof about me show number :)

but if have problems :) i contact with You.

regards and see in beautiful Budapest :)

Huan 17-08-2008 09:36

The deadline for European Dog Show has been extended till 25.08.2008 (midnight)

jasmine 17-08-2008 15:35

I would like to offer not to send the applications in the last 2 days online, because the system will be full and could be problem. (as were problem last friday)
Official and published new deadline is 25.08, as Przemek wrote.

Edit

21-08-2008 09:01

Hello Jasmine,
I think all it's ok for me, I send form and bank transfert for csw and chihuahua.
Thanks,
Corinne

Vaiva 20-09-2008 09:10

Some information is allready announced - 65 CsW's will take part in European show. 37 males and 28 females. Sounds seriuos 8)

wolfin 20-09-2008 10:27

only 65 dogs? pfi...:rock_3


we going winner !!!:) - joke :) i be very happy to see all in HU :)

canislupus 20-09-2008 21:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfin (Bericht 159308)
i be very happy to see all in HU :)

me too...:lol:

see you soon
Tanja and Pack

jasmine 03-10-2008 22:44

Klubshow 03.10 judge: Boris Spolaaric

Puppy class male:

Nork von Neckartal : very promising
Crying Wolf C'Orel : very promising
Crying Wolf Callisto Dante: disq

young class male:

Hargo L'Amico del Lupo: ex1,HPJ,Young KlubWinner
Udini Passo del Lupo:ex2
Crying Wolf Zulu: ex3

intermediet class male:

Blue de la Louve Blanche : ex1,CAC
Crying Wolf West:ex2,R.CAC

open class male:

Dryas L'Amico del Lupo : ex.1,CAC
Gass Passo del Lupo : ex2. R.CAC
Crying Wolf Ukko: ex3

champion class male:
Cnaytuk Passo del Lupo : ex.1,CAC,Klubwinner
Collin z verne smesky: ex2., R.CAC

puppy class female:
Crying Wolf Czeska: very promising

young class female:

Crying Wolf Zelma: ex1,HPJ,Young klubwinner,BOB
Arimminium Moonlight Serenade: ex2

intermediet class female:
Mona von Neckartal: ex1,CAC
Crying Wolf Utu: ex2., R.CAC

open class female:

Breezwolf : ex1.CAC,Klubwinner
Arys z Oravy: ex2., R.CAC
Myra von Neckartal: ex

working class female:
Arimminium Asha: ex1., CAC

champion class female:

Alud : ex1.,CAC

breeding paar 2: Zelma+Zulu Crying Wolf

jasmine 05-10-2008 17:01

Europa Show Budapest judge: Stefan Stefik

puppy class male : Nork von Neckartal: very promising, best puppy

young class male:

Hargo L'Amico Lupo : HPJ,Young European Winner
Amore Mio Srdvervac : ex2
Ckinai de la Louve Blanche: ex3
Crying Wolf Yarl Yanatos: ex4
Udini Passo del Lupo : ex
Czambor z Vlchio Dubu: ex
Crying Wolf Yam: very good

intermediet class male:

Blue de la LOuve Blanche: CAC,CACIB, EUCH
Ckoo Mah Akk de la Mollyniere de Lo'Cale: R.CAC
Crying Wolf West: ex3
Veron z Molu Es: ex4
Calel du Center Club Moloss Wolf: very good
Hron Zlata Palz: very good
Velaskes z Molu Es: very good

open class male:

Crying Wolf Volos: CAC,R.CACIB
Dryas: R.CAC
Art z Viktorinej Zahrady: ex3
CRying Wolf Ukko: ex4
Arimminium Timberwolf: ex
Gass Passo del Lupo:ex

Champion class male:

Cnaytuk Passo del Lupo: very good
Collin z verné smecky: very good
Crying Wolf Galiba: very good
Geryon z Peronowki: very good
Hero od Uhoste: very good

veteran class male:

Jerry Lee z Molu Es: CAC,Best veteran

Young class female:

Helena Oscar Dór: HPJ,Young European Winner, Best Young dog
Crying Wolf Zelma: ex2
Arimminium Moonlight Serenade: ex3
Arimminium Naboo: very good
Arimminium Odette: very good
Cyrcee de la LOuve Blanche: very good
Aliaska Srdcerverac: very good
Uny von Königs Terry: very good
Wolfish Witch z Molu Es: very good

Intermediet class female:

Morgana Passo del Lupo: CAC
Julie von Könis Terry: very good
Mona von Neckartal: very good
Valkyra z Molu Es: very good

Open class female:

Breez Wolf: CAC
Gabina Krivoklatsky Atos: very good
Selly Passo del Lupo: very good

Working class female:

Arimminium Asha: CAC

Champion class female:

Alud Lupimax: CAC,CACIB,BOB
Caya Zlata Palz: R.CAC
Birba: ex3
Harmonia Eden Severu: ex4

wolfin 09-10-2008 23:45

Thanks for very beautiful dog show. super organization, ring anr ring work. me very like :)

maybe have photo from HU? and maybe others who make photo cann wright links to photo?

regards

jasmine 10-10-2008 10:10

I thought you made some pics .....:lol:
and maybe Daniela....and Nina......
So please girls,let's share your pics with us

Daiva,

Thanks for your nice word! The organization could have been better: especial to reach the parking place.The other part were much better than I thought.

Edit

Mikael 12-10-2008 10:38

Congratulation to everybody that is satisfied whit there results :beerchug2

I also looking forward to se some photos :)

Regards / Mikael

wolfin 27-10-2008 14:26

Hi,

not very good photos, and not all dogs me frend cann photografy, but who I have I thake in gallery :)

http://girios-dvasia.wolfdog.org/gal...?album=5&pos=0

27-10-2008 14:57

Many thanks for all pictures and pictures of my dogs Calel et Gabina :cool3

furyos 28-10-2008 01:37

thanks a lot for yur pictures .. it's a very sweet memories .... hope next meetings soon ...best regards .... frank

wolfin 28-10-2008 01:45

:) ;-)

in WW'09 Bratislava i think we all 100 % meeting with :)
regards :)

furyos 28-10-2008 10:46

hi again .. y hope can go there ... it depend of lot of things .. y cross fingers for that... best regards frank

lupis 20-11-2008 14:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfin (Bericht 163106)
Thanks for very beautiful dog show. super organization, ring anr ring work. me very like :)

super organization? you were in budapest because what you write is not true... it is worst show i see because no parking place, no people speak english. only hungary. problem to find ring and also judgement i not like because for me it is wrong if you can buy good results. i also no like evaluation. many good dogs have very good note and some not good dogs have excellent. i not think blue is real winner because i see much more dog look much more wolf. for me much nice was gass, volos and cnaytuk. for me blue is to much normal dog for be european winner. same alud - for me was much worst like other female i see.
i not understand very good notes. jasmine write in italy forum judge evaluate character but it is not true. not all dogs in champion class was shy but all have very good. and it class was much more nice like champion class female. and all female are excellent. and in this class alud is shy and she is winner. i see also fat female with very less wolf look. but judge give it female also excellent. not normal for me.
in final i agree hargo and helena was very much typical wolf looking. but european winner like alud and blue were not high quality like other dogs and females i see in budapest. but i know alud must win and it is planed. not first time you know.

wolfin 20-11-2008 16:35

hmm i NOT see problems, I not have problems with hungary speak. but I all thime not have problems.
for me like show.
judge- all judge have hes opinion about breed, if I judge maybe for You like me judge opinion, but others people say - she is not good judge.

and p.s. this fat bitch not wolfish is world winner ...

michaelundinaeichhorn 20-11-2008 16:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by lupis (Bericht 172535)
also judgement i not like because for me it is wrong if you can buy good results.

but i know alud must win and it is planed. not first time you know.

I don´t know who you are and I surely very often don´t agree with judgements on international shows but here again you give statements that include very heavy accusations without any proof.
It is one thing to not agree with some judgements but a totally other to say the judge has been paid. Stefan Stefik is the head of the Slovakian kennel club, I know him personally from several shows, he is very engaged for our breed though as a non specialised judge not always perfect, but he is a judge I am more than sure of that he wasn´t paid and that he tried his very best.
You asked a lot of questions here that show that you don´t know very much of the breed or of breeding rules in itself I don´t think you are the right person to judge any results in this rude way.

Ina

lupis 20-11-2008 17:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfin (Bericht 172582)
and p.s. this fat bitch not wolfish is world winner ...

world winner? not possible... sorry...

wolfin 20-11-2008 17:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by lupis (Bericht 172594)
world winner? not possible... sorry...

hmm maybe You not know who mas be judge wolfdog? and see only ones thing
cann say who experience have You? You be breeder, judge or ekspert? sory if this question not like You, but I with me 10 years experience think - "I not know about breed and mas moore learn." But maybe this feel have only old breeder and owner.:rock_3

lupis 20-11-2008 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn (Bericht 172590)
I It is one thing to not agree with some judgements but a totally other to say the judge has been paid. Stefan Stefik is the head of the Slovakian kennel club

i not say you pay stefik of judge. but everybody in italy know if you want to win famous dog show (also in slovak) you need this guy

http://www.wolfdog.org/pics2/2007/9/...90-8715843.jpg

no problem if your dog is not best one or have no hair or is shy you will win for sure. you not believe me look on handler and winner http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/it/gallery/subcat/2/2262/
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/it/gallery/subcat/2/2261/
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/it/gallery/subcat/2/2149/
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/it/gallery/subcat/2/2835/ and you can see more shows with same scheme: same professional handler, different dogs but always winner. also if dog is not so good looking or not good quality. if you go with you dog to famous dog show and see this guy in ring with dog from italia i can vote you loose and he will be winner. so dog show work. here everybody knows it.
same was in budapest - alud was worse looking. much more better were female nr. 2 and nr. 3 in champion class. better look and much better character but she loose. same later. Breezewolf and morgana were 1000% better as alud but alud win. you know why. if you not believe me ask people with dogs in budapest. it is why i hate shows and will never show my future wolfdog.

lupis 20-11-2008 17:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfin (Bericht 172597)
hmm maybe You not know who mas be judge wolfdog? and see only ones thing
cann say who experience have You? You be breeder, judge or ekspert?

it is you dog? i not know. but it is my personal opinion. i like dogs like hargo or breezewolf with wolf look and not like dog not have so wolf look.

michaelundinaeichhorn 20-11-2008 18:23

Sorry but no experienced breeder that really knows the breed will go for show results in international shows for judging the qualitiy of the dog.
When I am looking for a stud dog or a puppy I don´t care at all for those show results or champion titels because all they show is the time the owner spends on shows. I look for Club shows with judges that know the breed and bonitations and mainly we ask experienced people who have seen the dog if we didn´t.
These big shows are occasions where you can see a lot of dogs and meet old friends and shop some dog stuff and nothing else.

Ina

wolfin 20-11-2008 18:27

Ina, Yes, this be true.

Lupis:

about hendler, we mas make only a little thing- buy green shoes. :twisted:

furyos 20-11-2008 22:03

hi lupis .. first/ thanks a lot if yu think VOLOS can have chance to be europeen winner(y' m the owner) .. but if yu are near the ring yu can note that mr stefik try to have his best opinion beetween BLUE and VOLOS .... well ;BLUE come from my kennel .. it's true BUT(sorry y like this word) if yu look his dog show results he win a lot of tittles and not mr stefik judge .. if yu look better him yu can note very good qualities (y choose him for edit) to breed .. he's really in the standart (construction /coat /type /origin parent's etc .... ).. and sure if yu prefer wolfish type .. and just this .. yu can prefer his brother(next year) CKYNAI more younger but more wolfish PERHAPS or his sister BOHEME (french champion) or BLAZY ...In general a judge have HIS opinion and we don't need to pay to win .. Y EVER win front this handler (with green shoes)yu show in picture .. and y m not international handler ... sure he have his style and he is professional ...but what and where is the problem if some kennels want him to keep more chance in competition ... y m not jalous about this ...what dog yu have in budapest? y spend a real good time there and try to speak with everybody .. sincerly y don't understand yur topic ... but y respect yur idea ... best regards .. frank

lupis 01-12-2008 20:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by michaelundinaeichhorn (Bericht 172611)
When I am looking for a stud dog or a puppy I don´t care at all for those show results or champion titels because all they show is the time the owner spends on shows. I look for Club shows with judges that know the breed and bonitations and mainly we ask experienced people who have seen the dog if we didn´t.

I am sad because I hear Mr. Stefik is good judge and he know wolfdogs. And in Budapest he was not evaluating dogs but handler. Very sad for me he plays same thing like many italian breeders play. It mean not dog is important but who show dog :roll:

lupis 01-12-2008 20:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by furyos (Bericht 172633)
but if yu are near the ring yu can note that mr stefik try to have his best opinion beetween BLUE and VOLOS .... well ;BLUE come from my kennel .. it's true BUT(sorry y like this word) if yu look his dog show results he win a lot of tittles and not mr stefik judge...

I know more dogs with many titles i don't like. Now i know too i also not like some world winners and Budapest europe winner;-)
Sorry i write about Blue but i write because you write more Blue is so very much wolf and perfect and i see him in Budapest and it is different what you write because he is normal as many dogs i see and not very much special. In my country i see many dogs with look like or more wolf like Blue. I must propose my friends to glorify their dogs like you do;-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by furyos (Bericht 172633)
if yu look better him yu can note very good qualities (y choose him for edit) to breed .. he's really in the standart (construction /coat /type /origin parent's etc .... ).. and sure if yu prefer wolfish type .. and just this .. yu can prefer his brother(next year) CKYNAI more younger but more wolfish PERHAPS or his sister BOHEME (french champion) or BLAZY ...

I look in photos but it is not i think. Boheme and Blazy are nor very much wolf for me. Like Blue.... Maybe when i see it i change my opinion but on photos are similar to Blue. Sorry but it is not my type I mean:roll: For me wolfdog as wolf look different.

Quote:

Originally Posted by furyos (Bericht 172633)
what dog yu have in budapest? y spend a real good time there and try to speak with everybody

I not have dog now but i seach good breeder. In italia i know some very good but i think about import some new good line. I hope to meat some famous breeders in Budapest but nobody is there. Maybe i will have holidays and i will come to slovakia to summer camp and meet there breeders because i hear best breeders always meet there.

lupis 01-12-2008 20:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by wolfin (Bericht 172613)
Lupis:
about hendler, we mas make only a little thing- buy green shoes. :twisted:

I see that you know this handler and you know i write true:| I not plan show my dog very much but i not like when dog is not important but people. I am not naive because i know how some breeders win in my country and everybody know some big kennels win more because judge know big breeders. But i think it is only italian speciality and in slovakia it look different:roll:

Mikael 01-12-2008 21:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by lupis (Bericht 172599)
i not say you pay stefik of judge. but everybody in italy know if you want to win famous dog show (also in slovak) you need this guy

http://www.wolfdog.org/pics2/2007/9/...90-8715843.jpg

no problem if your dog is not best one or have no hair or is shy you will win for sure. you not believe me look on handler and winner http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/it/gallery/subcat/2/2262/
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/it/gallery/subcat/2/2261/
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/it/gallery/subcat/2/2149/
http://www.wolfdog.org/drupal/it/gallery/subcat/2/2835/ and you can see more shows with same scheme: same professional handler, different dogs but always winner. also if dog is not so good looking or not good quality. if you go with you dog to famous dog show and see this guy in ring with dog from italia i can vote you loose and he will be winner. so dog show work. here everybody knows it.
same was in budapest - alud was worse looking. much more better were female nr. 2 and nr. 3 in champion class. better look and much better character but she loose. same later. Breezewolf and morgana were 1000% better as alud but alud win. you know why. if you not believe me ask people with dogs in budapest. it is why i hate shows and will never show my future wolfdog.

But did he win WDS 08 ??? He did show two dogs, Arimminum Naboo and Arimminum Big Wakan Wolf...

Is he a good handler ??? Yes I think he was very good, maby eaven exellent :lol:

Regards / Mikael

woland77 01-12-2008 21:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by lupis (Bericht 172601)
it is you dog? i not know. but it is my personal opinion. i like dogs like hargo or breezewolf with wolf look and not like dog not have so wolf look.

Maybe if you don't know that on Czw FCI standard you can find more information, not only wolf look...I, and many people than write here was in Budapest, why you dont say: "Hi, i'm Lupis, we talking about czw?"...is better to talk on real...Ciao!!!

lupis 01-12-2008 21:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikael (Bericht 175223)
Is he a good handler ??? Yes I think he was very good, maby eaven exellent :lol:

Yes, he is exellent. But in dog show is better if dog is exellent not handler :lol:

SARKA 02-12-2008 20:02

An excellent handler presents excellent dogs only; on the contrary, his professionalism would disappear.
Fabrizio is an excellent handler.
For what concerns Alud, she won the "specialty" in Slovakia BOB presented by his owner Massimo Zerboni, Oskar Dora as judge.

Mikael 02-12-2008 21:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by lupis (Bericht 175232)
Yes, he is exellent. But in dog show is better if dog is exellent not handler :lol:

Please Lupis if you are not OK whit the judges, e-mail FCI :rock_3
It is not nice to say bad things about others dogs !!! :evil:
And if you realy know somebody that pays the judge, call the police :gunsfiring
And if not, say nothing and be cool 8)

And when/if you win a dogshow one day, was that judge good or bad :lol: ???

Regards / Mikael


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