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Hey Ann,

I must disagree with the idea of changing name of our breed, just because of few morons who decided our breed
is threatening wolf population! It seems to me as insane, as when there was petition in USA for changing name of the second movie of Lord of the Rings (Two Towers), just because some of the Americans could connect it in mind with the attack to the Twins in New York! The book was written decades ago, and has nothing in common with what happened in USA last September.
Our breed was made also few decades ago, and it is called wolfdog, because it IS partly wolf! Let=B4s stop to play with words, our wolfdogs have about 20-30% of wolf blood, and that=B4s a fact. How comes, we don=B4t hear about the same kind of problems at Saarloos wolfhound? They are even more wolfy than our wolfdogs! And what about Irish wolfhounds? Should they also change name of breed, just because of the name, although they have nothing in common with wolves besides that the breed was made to hunt them? Yet, even these dogs are closely related to wolf, because wolf is a direct ancestor of every dog on this planet.
The problem is somewhere else. The problem i say, is, that somebody in Italy (a person or institution) doesn=B4t like the idea of our wolfdogs to live and do well in the country. And because there is no real reason to stop breeding them and keeping them (what a pity, they are not aggressive, so they can=B4t be forbidden like for example pitbulls in some countries), somebody came up with the idea of possible crossing of our animals with wolves.
I said it here once already, that every normal sized dog is able to mate with a wolf, if the wolf doesn=B4t mind. And it=B4s very improbable, that a wolf pack would accept a dog to join it and even mate with some of their females. Please, take some time (all of you here) and inform yourself little bit about wolf behaviour and rules of the wolf pack. Then you will see, how insane is this discussion.

Mirka Simunkova
Plzen, Czech Republic

(working at Zoological Garden Plzen, who owns 2 packs of european wolves)

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Hi, everybody.

I want to say, this information is false. Russkaya psovaya borzaya is
a Russian national breed, the symbol and honor of Russian dog breeding.
This breed has never had the name "Russian Wolfhound". According to
documents, in 1519 Dutch king sent French king dogs - "Borzoi of
Russian breed".

I don't know, what information Americans have about Borzoi. But I'm
Russian and I know the history and the name of my national breed. As well,
as Czech people know the name of their national breed, which doesn't
consist the word "wolf". The problem is only in translation into
different languages.

wolfdogs
 

Anne,

if people are making no distinction between wolf-hybrids and FCI recognised dog breed, which had a wolf ancestor,
then it=A8s stupidity of people and not fault of the breed. As long as the kids will be scared by the fairy tale of Little
Red Riding Hood and TV will fill peoples mind with crapy movies about Werewolves, that long there will be fear from
wolf alive. And changing a name of breed won=B4t change anything.

Btw. Saarloos is far from being a DOG, it=B4s more wolf than our wolfdogs and it has almost none practical use. Huskies
and malamutes belong also to "primitive" breeds, just because of their "happy" face the public do not realise ...

This all is not problem of the breed, hybrids or wolves. This is all about silly people making troubles at bad place and moment.

Mirka

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Dear Roger, in czech language you can say "wolf" - VLK. And the
Czechoslovakian wolfdog is CESKOSLOVENSKY VLCAK. The word " VLCAK" many
people in our country use for breed German shepheard. It is difficult in our
country.
I hope, that I helped you with your problem.

Lucie.

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in Czech - vlk
in Russian - volk

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What is they Czech word for "wolf"?

Gr.
Roger.

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Everybody, everybody, everybody.........

Look at the bigger picture here, the discussion lays not within the name of
the breed or the appearance.

Its how the WE, the owners, communicate about our dogs (Somehow our dog
breed name has became the topic of a politic discussion) this is the issue!
Read we as a community are responsable for the image of our dogs. Espacialy
in Italy (at the moment), every escalation, fight or whatsoever will be
missused against the image of our dogs.

So what can we actually do, the only thing is try to promote the image of
our dogs in a positive way. We wont win this discussion within our community
(actually I'm getting fed up with all those mails, missing on the actual
issue). Who is actually doing something outside our community in relation to
the image of our breed.

I think we all know what the problem is, and I think we can define a simple
international plan, which supports everybody, in the local discussion. For
starters,
(this is just a proposal, I'd like to start a discussion in how we can win
this battle). We could write a theses on our breed, the actual
characteristics and for instance figures of actual statistics, we could
present those to the local authorities, the local veterinarian on so
on........

We could promote our breed more via dogshows and so on and so forth,

I hope I've started a constructive discussion from which we derive a plan on
how to promote our breed,

sincerely yours,

Big Howl,

Jeffrey

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Hello Jeffrey,

i agree, that's a good idea. In one of my previous e-mails, i wrote what all i do for promoting the breed here.
Now, it would be great, if other owners of wolfdogs do the same in their countries.

Why don't you all tell us now in this discussion, what YOU do for helping to show the breed how it really is,
not how the public wants to see it?

I agree with Jeffrey, that whining about the problem doesn=B4t solve anything.

Waiting for some "positive" e-mails.

Mirka

Breed's name
 

to everybody:

I forgot to mention, that i personally made two big boards about the wolves, which are displayed here at the ZOO at the European wolf enclosure. They inform not only about wolves, their character, appearance and acting, but there is also big board about wolf history, their ancestors and breeds developed from them .. and guess what, of course there is a picture of Ceskoslovensky vlcak!

If you want, i can go out and take picture of them with my camera and put it online. But i am sorry, it's only in czech.

Mirka

Breed's name
 

Hello,

Go outside and do it.
Maybe we can use it.

tnx

Breed's name
 

Ok, no problem. I will do it today afternoon, and tonight i will put it online somewhere and i will
send to the conference link about where it can be seen. Ok?

Mirka

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Hanna Leena,

You haven't understood the previous mail, its not a name discussion its an
image discussion. I'll explain, you don't know me bud, people told you I'm a
thieve. Know a couple of months later were trying to Work together, and I
need space for staying over, what would be your answer??

Another one, because you'll experience this subjectiveness in your own peer
relations too;

For instance, you're having a discussion with your husband about buying a
expensive watch, he says we haven't got the money. Frustrated you leave the
discussion for what it is. Two months later you're having another discussion
(related to a money issue again) everything your husband says will be
translated by you through a subjective mindset, after all referring to the
last discussion (taken that you didn't told him your frustrations) you're
still frustrated and will think that he's selfish in everything he says,
even if its positive.,

By the way, this goes for dogs too, however on a total different level, the
dog will associate a couple of external triggers, Its morning, and you still
look sleepy and you smell from your mouth, the dog wont beg, after you've
brushed your teeth and you look awake, he will ask you for going out or some
food, Funny isn't it that an issue of external problem relate to the way the
dog looks at us too. So this problem we have with those politicians, could
well be a problem we, unconsciously, experience with our dogs.

Kinds,

Jeffrey

Breed's name
 

So, the word "Vlak" has nothing to do with wolves?

Sanna

To Roger Verhaegen
 

Can you please tell me about this name change and when it happened?
Sanna

To Roger Verhaegen
 

Sanna,
on http://www.grapevine.net/~wolf2dog/index.html
you can find an article about that including kopies of the original GSD
studbook which shows wolf crosses and a kopie of a Belgian magazine which
refers to the name The Alsatian Wolfdog.

Breed's name
 

Sanna,

the word "vlak" means "train".

Mirka

Breed's name (Please help)
 

The answer is simple: the czechoslovakian club registered the breed at the
FCI under the name "Czechoslovakian wolfdog". And that's the official name.
In the breed standard you can also find the words "Ceskoslovensky vlcak" but
it appears just as notice what is the breed name in the country of
origin.....

So the title of the breed standard looks the following way:

CZECHOSLOVAKIAN WOLFDOG No. 332
(Ceskoslovensky vlcak)

Greetings,
Margo

Breed's name (Please help)
 

And "vlcak" means?

Sanna

Breed's name
 

I can only say what "wilczak" it means in Polish :)))
It is DOG looking similar to a wolf (but it's still a dog and not a
wolfdog).

Greetings,
Margo

Vlcak (Please help)
 

The other countries are not lazy. Translating the breed name into its own
language is normal. If you visit the web page of Czech Kennel Club
http://www.cmku.cz/ you will see also Czech people translated almost all
breed names into Czech.

Keeping the original name is also not so good idea. The official name for
CzW in Poland is (so far) Ceskoslovensky vlcak but during two first years
when we started to show Bolton there was nobody who spoked the name
right.... We heard different versions "Czeski wilczur", "Czeskoslowenski
vlak",
"Slowacki wilczek", a.s.o. Now we decided to change it. Every CzW owner is
using the new version "Czechoslowacki wilczak" and i hope it will be the
official name soon.

The only problem for every nation is to use the best translation for the
word "vlcak". If you translate this word into polish it will be "wilczur".
But also here people use this word when they are talking about german
shepherds or their crosses. So it is stupid to use this word because every
feature of a GSD is a big fault for a czechoslovakian wolfdog.... It is the
reason why we decided to use "wilczak" - it is polish word for a
wolf-looking dog.

I'm not so sure... It is almost impossible to pronounce it right if you
don't
know the Czech language. :)

Greetings,
Margo

Vlcak (Please help)
 

===I don't think that there are people that knows what I say,when I (try to) use the originel name ,with my dutch accent ;-)))

Christa

Vlcak (Please help)
 

Thank you Roger,I can see theme running into her stomach.

Christa

Vlcak (Please help)
 

Christa,

Try this one : zmrzlina !!!!!!
if you can do it by the end of the month , I'll buy You one next time we
walk with the dog's in Chaam.
Good luck with Your swh puppy's which will be born one of these days.

Gr.
Roger.

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We already started with such plan. And here are the results:
http://www.wolfdog.org/ :)))
I think the biggest problem is still missing information how those dogs
really are. And because of this sometimes they are being bought by
unresponsible
people.

If we find the right people for them, their owners will promote our
breed. We have a nice pack of CzW owners here in Poland. And everyone makes
something. Marta and Adam are taking part in obedience championships, Marta
makes also Agilty, Kamila took part in a special presentation in Poznan. I
wrote already some articles about CzW for our newspapers and magazines.
Przemek is the administrator of wolfdog.org. Now we get contact with polish
TV and one of our CzW will play small role in the TV theater. All our
wolfdogs are also taking part in the dog shows...and we are just starting
:)))

Greetings,
Margo

Name of breed
 

Hi,

I would like to make an observation. I realize I am a new member, but I have been reading everything I can on this site. I would just like to say that I think the name "Chechoslovakian Shepard" ( Please forgive the spelling) would be a more appropriate name for this breed. Since it is only a small percentage of wolf, and that would remove all the negative connotations of "wolf" from the name. I'm certainly not suggesting the name should be changed, but I wonder if it had been named "Shepard" instead of "Wolfdog" it might have been easier gaining acceptance. All dogs are descended from wolves originally, some are just farther than others. Nothing I have read here would make me not want to have one of these wonderful dogs, but it has certainly educated me on the importance of being knowledgable about the breed before you obtain a dog. I think this applies to any breed, as there are certainly a lot of more difficult breeds to have than this one. I am fascinated by this breed, and hope to someday be able to get one.

LKO

Re: Name of breed
 

to us the word "wolf" hasn't any negative connotation !!!!!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

we love wolves, so i love wolfdogs !

Yes, I love wolves, too. It is sad that others mis-understand these beautiful creatures, and it is to them I was refering to. To me there are no negative aspects at all, but to those who want to outlaw or kill anything asociated with wolves because they do not understand them.

Linda

So what is the exact meaning of the word VLCAK? And what are the check name for a german shepherd?

fenris

Hi all
In Czech language word VLCAK means a dog that looks like a wolf.The official name of german shepherd is "Nemecky ovcak" but people oftem call him is also VLCAK.

Jiri Davidek +Lucky od Uhoste

Thanks Jiri & Lucky. I asked this question because I have seen the phrase Vlcak used to name german shepherds as well. Like in english one can still hear people talk about alsatian wolfdog when describing german shepherds. But "wolflike" is a perfect name for the checkoslovakian wolfdog I think. What is the Check name for WOLF? I guess Ovcak means a shepherd then?

fenris

Hi fenris, ye I agree that "wolflike" wold be more appropriate translation. You are right ovcak means shepherd. Czech word for wolf is VLK.(Italian do'nt like such kind of words without vowel :D )
Jiri+Lucky

Re: Name of breed
 

But with changing the name we will get even bigger problems than lack of acceptance. I already saw that there is no bigger problem to get people to like CzWs if we will show them CzWs are nice, trainable and with good character. Some years ago we had the same problem in Poland. Everyone heard CzWs are horrible and aggressive. Everyone said: "if you want a nice wolfdog which can be used for training, you should buy a Saarloos". But we didn't give up. :D We showed our dogs on meetings, shows, wrote articles, a.s.o. People also saw Saarloos Wolfhonds on the shows in other countries and they changed their opinion completely. It's really working.... Last month there was an articles about European Dog show in Bratislava written by a well-known Polish judge. And you can read there:
"Czechoslovakian Wolfdog is now more popular than his Dutch cousin Saarloos wolfhond. People say he has nicer character" :cheesy:
It is important because this person is not in any way tied up with CzW but a big fan of Terriers... :)
And the CzW gets not only better opinion comparing to Saarlos Wolfhonds but also in comparison to some other breeds from the 1 FCI group....

But back to the "Shepherd" - if we would change the name it would make false connection suggesting CzW has something common with German Shepherd Dog. You're right: CzW has almost 70% of GSD blood. But the most important point while breeding CzW is: this breed should look like the European Wolf and any feature characteristics of GSD (falling topline, black mask, long ears, brown eyes, long tail, wide chest, short legs) are serious faults and often disqualification faults by CzWs....