World Dogshow 2008 Stockholm, Sweden
 

Hi all...

just got of the phone with the Swedish Kennelklubb and they say it is OK to come with both Vlac and Saarloos to the Worldshow in Stockholm, Sweden 2008....

Good news I think.....

cheers Cerite

Of course!
SWH and CzW is FCI breeds!

Lupo italiano probably go have problems whit this because is not FCI breed.

2007 mexico! :mrgreen:

Hardly of course - CSW are banned from Sweden just like they are from the UK. In the UK they are banned from all shows, even the international ones like Crufts, therefore it is really very encouraging that Wolfdogs will be allowed on the show in Sweden.

However, there is still a long time to go before 2008 - therefore it will be interesting to know if wolfdogs can actually sign up for the show once the inscriptions start.

Thank you for keeping us informed Cerite.

:shock:
I thought that the breeding this breed in these countries was forbidden only, but never I imagined that he was forbidden even though for these in shows! :shock:

It is not forbidden to keep them in Sweden it is only forbidden to breed.

Ina

Actually it was my understanding that the breed was banned in Sweden which means

1) You cannot breed them
2) You cannot import them or bring them into the country

This is typical when a breed gets banned from a country - the existing dogs are not put down but rather they are all sterilized and both breeding and importing is forbidden. Eventually the breed dies out and there are no dogs of that kind to be found in the country. This is the situtation for CSW in both Sweden and Norway. The UK is slightly different, because you CAN have wolfdogs there, but they fall under the Dangerous and Wild animals regulations.

So... yes there are some wolfdogs in Sweden but... they are not really allowed in Sweden.

The fact that there is a show which allows CSW in Sweden is very encouraging because it will allow owners and breeders to (hopefully) show the breed how it really is, and help to convince the authorities that the restrictions on the CSW are unfounded.

then if the breeder will have a certificate of consevacionist Breeder or certifyd of the Organization that takes care of the wild animals, this person can breed CzWs.
if this will be possible, cannot be considered that the government wants the extinguishing of the breed.
Existing CzWs there, it would not be of these owners (or who knows breeders of other countries) if to join and to prove that the breed is the the opposite of that the government thinks?

Nebulosa,

I thank you for your ideas, as I know that they are based in a desire to help, however you may want to consult in detail what the Dangerous and Wild animals regulations imply namely:

1) The animals must be caged at all times
2) The fact that they may be kept does not imply that breeding is legal
3) Even if they could be bred, trade in Dangerous and Wild animals is not legal in the UK – therefore the owner would have to keep all the pups (in a cage)
4) In practice the infrastructure needed to comply with the Dangerous and Wild animals act is not dissimilar to that of a zoo
5) Only seven licenses have been granted for the keeping of wolves or wolf-hybrids in the UK (CSW are considered wolf hybrids there) none have been granted for CSWs – any CSWs found by DEFRA have been confiscated
6) Hybrids (which is how DEFRA classes CSW), as opposed to “true” wild animals are of no ecological value, therefore if DEFRA does find these animals they will be confiscated and very possibly sacrificed. (The cost of keeping with their own regulation is too high for DEFRA…)

In short – I do not know of anyone who has CSW and the infrastructure needed to comply with DEFRA regulations. Even if they did, who in their right mind would want to keep CSW in such conditions? While CSW are not banned per se in the UK it is a de-facto ban – there are no known CSW in the UK and will never be until DEFRA reviews its position as regards to the Dangerous and Wild Animals act.

I suggest that you review the DEFRA site for information on the Dangerous and Wild Animals act if you are interested in the subject.

Two of our puppies are in Sweden. The owner got that checked before she got them and they are both officially registered and she never had any problems. The situation is different to Norway, they are allowed to be imported and to be kept like normal dogs. They are not allowed to breed. This must be the reason why they can be shown. It is not that unlikely that they are allowed to breed in future.

Ina

It’s always interesting to share experience, I know of CSWs which would not be allowed into Sweden by Swedish customs and had to be smuggled in, but this was a few years back so things seem to have changed for the better.

It would be very significant if Sweden would allow the breeding of CSWs, lets hope this happens!

According to my information both the CSV and SW are recognized as official FCI breeds by the Swedish government. The Swedish Kennel Club, however, do not register none of them.

Sorry to all of you ;)
The above posting was made be me ;)

I am very confused

Since when do governments recognize breeds? I thought they left it up to kennel clubs to do the recognizing... The only exception to that is when the government (be it national, regional or local) comes up with some law which bans or puts restrictions on some breed or the other

Anyhow maybe I'm confused or maybe (as is usually the case) there are very different ways of doing things in different countries.

Let me put it this way :)
Previously the Swedish government (like Norway) banned certain breeds. While Norway increased the anount of banned breeds, the Swedish government decreased its number to zero.

The Swedish Kennel Klub, however, do not register CSV and SW and the two breeds are (until now ?) not allowed to participate in dog shows arranged by the Swedish Kennel Club.

I really do not know as it is the fiscalization there, but as the government it goes to know that the dog is one CzW or one SwH (?) :shock:
for example: I have a CZW in mi house being that this breed is not the "most popular", and for who it is not accustomed very is seemed a "Utonagan" and other breeds that have erect ears, long snout and "wolfcoat" (simile Alaskan malamute, germann sheepheard agouty coat, husky wolfcoat and others...) .
How they go to prove that my dog is a CZW (for example)?

look
Here we are with a problem similar in certain cities, in the Rio de Janeiro the American Pit bull Terrier and the American Staffrodshire terrier had been banished, but the Dogue brasileiro and American staff bull terrier not, being this a breed (dogue Brasileiro) short while seemed, few knows to distinguish these breeds, then many APBT pass for Dogue brasileiro and can walk outside of the laws.
:twisted:

Hi Nebulosa.

You also can take a car, change its registration number car and drive it. No body will tell you anything. But if you have a problem and an expert (mechanic, police,…) checks your car, you will pay de act of breaking the law. If you have money, you can pay it, but, What does it happen with the car? It is confiscated.

Now the dog. If you do what you say. And an expert (judge, vet, breeder,..) realises that it is a CzW you’ll be judged and the dog sacrificed.

The laws are made for some reason, it doesn’t matter if we agree with them or not, they –the laws- are there and we have to carry out them. Some times to brake the law means to harm somebody or something else. If we are not agree with a law, rule,.. we have got resources to change them. I know it is a slow way, but is the proper one.

The comment you wrote, as a joke wasn’t funny, but as an advice…better no to mention it.

Rafa

Ahhh!!!! Now I get it yes... countries do not recognize breeds but every now and then the law does ban one for some esoteric reason.

Thanks for the clarification whomever you may be... and it's good to know that wolfdogs per se are again allowed in Sweden, though the kennel club may not recognize them (their loss if you ask me!)

How I said, I do not know as the things function there, but by chance, the government made a voting asking if the people agreed to this law??

Great differences exist to be turn possible to compare an car with a canine breed, exists a base to have done this law for the car, everything is very obvious, but, and the dogs, as they had arrived the conclusion of that certain breeds are potentially dangerous for the population?
Exactly that they had base for this, will be them for the thought of everything what is dangerous for the life human that being exterminated, then we have to kill all the outlaws who already had placed the life of people in risk, as well as forbidding the cars, after all, car really is something dangerous, is enough an incautiousness for a great accident with some deceased.

the realy is, if nobody to show to the the opposite and the impotence of the government before the fiscalization of the laws that creates this law never goes to change!

Hello everybody
This is what the Swdeish Kennel Club ses today.

Sens 29 of mars 2007 you hawe beanable to register SWH and CvS in Sweden.

And short after that you culd compeat.

But onely sens 1 of jan 2008 you have benable to compeat about nationall certification. :)

The gowerment has alowed SWH and CsV sens sometime in 2004 thanks to the big boss EU.
But the Swedish Kennel Club hawe refused to regestrate them intill 29 of mars 2007.

But I think thanks to WDS-08 thay got so menay e-mails from SWH and CsV owners that thay had to change there mind. :)

Best of luck to you all on the WDS-08 / Mikael Wolfdog.se

Would be nice if all those SWH and CsV owners would write to the Swedish Kennel Club and make them change the strange (and if I may say, a bit stupid) rules that concerns breeding with both breeds here to.;-)

Ninni

Just to clarify a bit. Neither Saarloos Wolfhound nor Czechoslovakian wolfdog are banned by Governmental Swedish Laws but the Swedish Kennel Klub (SKK) made their own decission of NOT to register or allow these breeds to participate in dog shows arranged by the club or its national members. By an announcement made by the SKK both breeds now will have their full rights as FCI-approved breeds by March 2008.

In a private letter by 2003 the Chairman of the SKK confirmed that the decission of not registering the SW/CSV was due to media pressure from a small but powerful Swedish group.
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Per Olav
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Per Olav

Is that what they said? Cause when I asked the Swedish kennel Club to acknowledge the breeds in 2005 they said that it was because of the wolfblood thay have decided NOT to acknowledge them.. It was/is against Swedish law to have dog/wolf mixes.
Hmmmm... I wonder what small and powerful group they are talking about?


This is from their meeting 3/6 2005... (in Swedish...sorry...)

§ 108 Ärenden från medlemmar/privatpersoner
a) Brev från Ninni Erlandsson angående Saarloos Wolfhond och Ceskoslovensky Vlcak
Ninni Erlandsson har i brev uttryckt ett önskemål om att CS tar upp frågan om att godkänna raserna Saarloos Wolfhond och Ceskoslovensky Vlcak i Sverige.
Anledningen till att SKK hittills inte godkänt ovanstående raser beror på att den svenska lagstiftningen säger att vi inte får ha djur med inkorsning av varg. I dessa båda rasers standard står de nämnda som varghybrider.
CS diskuterade ärendet och beslutade att uppdra till SKK/AK att utreda frågan.

/Ninni

Hi Ninni. In Norwegian only.
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Per Olav

And It`s true that begin 1.1.2008 CZW can take CAC only workingclass?

Yes peuple has bean killd by dogs but most of tose dogs hawe bean traind to atack !
In the us therefor 238 peuple has bean killed sens 1979-1998 not becose of the Breed, but becose of there owners.

Peuple in the USA dont get a dog of the same seasen as peuple in Scandinavia, and we dont have dogs runing lose on the street or hawe dog catchers working 24h here eader.
And about this poverfull group I can bet that thay never eaven met a Cz Wolfdog.
Powerfull group ? Watt are we ?

Best regards / Mikael Wolfdog.se

There is 32 entered CZW´s in Stocholm WW-08.

WDS judge
 

I find it VERY strange that Jørgen Hindse will be judge for CSW at WDS `08 :shock: ....as far as I know he have absolutly no experience with CSW(I have never meet him as judge in Denmark). Until last year he was chairman of Danish Kennel Club, so ofcourse he have seen/experienced some dogshows and maybe few induviduals of CSW, but should it not be "experts" in the specific dogbreed that a judge will judge at WDS ??? :ehmmm

....Or am I totally wrong ?

Rolf

This is pretty normal and the reason why we don´t participate in those shows very much and why I don´t value the results.

Ina

well I think it is a shame :( ....I truly thought that world dog shows had a higher standart than normal dog shows, but I guess I was wrong ?

Rolf

That's a little bit strange, maybe they really not want CzW and SWH on this dogshow, and because that they chosen a non-experienced judge... only supposition...
I remember that at Brazilian and Argentinean world dogshow the judge that will judge CzW was Stefan Stefik from Slovakia, but at that time we have no CzW on our dogshows and, at brazilian world dog shows the 2 CzW cadastred haven't come.

Out of my experiences I think you are mostly wrong. The judges have to judge a lot of dogbreeds and they tend to give smaller breeds (small in numbers) to every judge with some time space. There are very few judges like Mr. Stefik that really care about our breed. If you want really good judgements you have to join Club shows with specialised judges.

I think that it is well known that SKK only allowed CSW and SWH on the WorldDogShow, because FCI told them that they have to accept all FCI reconized breeds to host WDS `08 ...I have heard that there have been a change of judge for CSW, so maybe they really had an "expert" judge from the beginning ?

Rolf

I have never been at a WDS before, so it was just my prejudiced thought that WDS was of higher standart than normal dogshows ?
We have already been at club show in Czech rep. and will come for more in the future :)

The "old" judge Sinko Stefan wasn't an "expert" of breed but he understand dogs generally and know CSW almost well.
About the new judge I don't konw...never heard of him.

I know this judge(as I wrote earlier) and he have absolutly no experience with CSW ....in fact I think the only CSW he have ever seen was mine and that was from a distance !

Rolf

Congratulations to...

Amber Wolf z Peronówki
Cheyna du Domaine de la Combe Noire
West Crying Wolf
Naboo Arimminum

Volos Crying Wolf
H'Gengis Börte-Tchino Arimminum
Baron spod Ïumbiera
Thalia Crying Wolf
Alud ---Lupimax---
Baron spod Ïumbiera x Elys spod Ïumbiera

and all the other that are setesfied whit there sesults.

Thanks fore a good show / Greetings from Sweden

Best Regards / Mikael and Hronec


PS, I have photos that I will share whit you all later :)

Congratulations from the USA! :beer

Marcy, Ryan, Anthea & Hronsek

hi mikael... thanks a lot .. and really yur country is so so nice ..... frank

Baron have res-cacib and now we waite new INT CH title ;-)
Maybe someone can tell rest about results....

WDS results link http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/shows/2652.html Thanks Margo.

Best regards / Mikael

Show results are not right.
Where is cac winners and res-cacib winner and rest of prace competition?

And In WW show is not best male and best female tittels only Winners and BOB...

Congratulations to all Winners!


Satu

Maby this link is better...

World Dog Show results Skk.se

LINK: http://test.skk.se/finalresultat/res...s=119&visa=ALL

I hope this link works ?

Regards / Mikael

It seams like the language turns back to basic on the link, so to get English you must use this link,

http://test.skk.se/finalresultat/basic_search_wds.aspx

Than klick on English,
And day Friday, Breed,
and than klick on show.

Good Luck / Mikael

Sorry my computer turns on Swedish on automatic :\

This link works very good,

WDS results:
http://test.skk.se/finalresultat/res...s=119&visa=ALL

Congratulations to you all again

Very Best Regards / Mikael & Hronec

sory but i in orginal web site from WW see only this resultat whe is in wolfdog. not r.cacib or moore cac only 1 to bitch and 1 to dog.

hmm i not cann what have others tittel- if this is not wright in oficial site - whe cann know - have this dogs or not .

I can´t see any best dog or best bitch results in official pages...;-)

Brace class:
1.Baron and Elys spod Dumbiera
2.Amber and Beti
3.CW Thalia and ckoo mahóok de la mollyniereor bhal djey asham de la mollyniere...

I don´t know who is females res-cacib winner?

males: Amber cacib and cac and Baron res-cacib and (cac) but Baron is Se Champion and can´t take cac or res-cac ( this is ringsecreters mictakes):roll:

Congratulations to...

Amber Wolf z Peronówki
Cheyna du Domaine de la Combe Noire
West Crying Wolf
Naboo Arimminum

Volos Crying Wolf
H'Gengis Börte-Tchino Arimminum
Baron spod Ïumbiera
Thalia Crying Wolf
Alud ---Lupimax---
Baron spod Ïumbiera x Elys spod Ïumbiera

and all the other that are satisfied whit there results.

Thanks fore a good show / Greetings from Sweden

Best Regards / Mikael and Hronec


PS, I have photos that I will share whit you all later :) Working on them now, presumably ready by next weekend whit a WDS-08 gallery on my website .DS

Hello again

The first link was only temporery test link by skk, and therefore do not work any longer, this is the new link.

: http://kennet.skk/finalresultat_WDS.aspx?=119&visa=ALL :wolf CsW result @ WDS-08

Best Regards / Mikael

Sorry I try again my misstake

This is the right result link : http://kennet.skk.se/finalresultat/r...s=119&visa=ALL :wolf To WDS 08 in Stockholm.

Regards / Mikael

Here are the World Dog Show Photo Link I promised.

WDS-08 Photo Gallery : http://www.wolfdog.se/gallery/world-...tockholm-2008/ :wolf (92) photos

Please Download Your Own Dogs Photos For Private, Forum or Kennel use Only. All Other Right Resurved.

Wolfdog.se Resurves it self from any Text error.

Please Enjoy, Very Best Regards / Mikael

If you find an error or know the missing names of the dogs in the gallery, Please send me an e-mail whit the Photo NR and an explanation to [email protected] Thank you in advance.
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Thanks a lot for the photos Mikael!

Greetings,
Kerstin

Hi,
congratulations to all from WW'08.
It was a big and nice trip for as all from EU :)

I hope this results will be complete:
[Censured]

As I understand, Nebulosa does not want you all to know proper results of the show. She censured results from Stockholm :shock:

Thank you for acting so fast. :rock_3

Hi!
All results are on the official site of the world dog show now, so, I not censured the results, only your link, sorry for this.
In every forum every concurrency link is imediatelly erased or censured, so I follow one almost standard of moderation and I do the same, thinking that with this site isn't much different in rules in this case.
Please if you disagree contact the administrators for we review these point in the moderation.

Thank you!

Congratulations for your results on this show!

congratulation to cheyna and alud lupimax, very beautiful dogs

www.lupidelmontale.it

R.CACIB female is Thalia Crying Wolf

Congratulation for my favourite dog Amber! One dog and so many titles and so many exams. Keep on good work! I hope more owners will make same... :rock_3

Thank you!
Amber has lot's of titules, because we love to travel ;)

but his best value is character - I see now many CsV very nice looking, wolfish and great, maybe better than Amber, but no good characters, and that's sad...
and that's the value of my wolfdogs I DO care - you can take them anywhere, you can leave them with anybody, you can trust them in relations with children...
I hope more owners/breeders will think same... :)