My Worst Nightmare
 

On 14.01.13, I had a message from the owner of one of our puppies (Shadowlands Bulgaria Braveheart) in the UK to say that he was staying with a friend of hers until she decided what to do. She said he had shown aggression towards her other dog. I asked her to tell me where he was, but had no reply. 2 days later, I was told that he was with Andre Tanner (Wolfzone). I wrote to her and asked what the situation was. She responded to say that he had shown aggression on his first night but that had settled very well since and played happily with a dominant male of hers (not sure what breed), and had since accepted the dog he was originally aggressive towards. She also stated that he was not showing any of the behaviours complained of by the ‘owner’ and that he had been badly undersocialised. I was happy to hear that he had settled. Unfortunately, she went on to say that she now considered him to be her property and that she would use him in her breeding programmes in the future (cross breeding, wolf-hybrid etc), even saying she knew the terms of our original contract (therefore consciously ignoring them). Obviously I was not happy with this. On 19.01.13, I wrote to the original ‘owner’ and told her that she knew this went against the terms of our puppy contract and that she should inform Ms. Tanner that I would be sending someone to collect Braveheart and that she was to give him up. The response was a clear ‘no’ and that I was not to contact her again...

After seeing Ms Tanner had posted photos of her ‘’new Czech Male’’ on Facebook and posted him on her website as a stud male, my partner wrote to her on 22.01.13 stating that he was not her property and that we wanted him back and that, if she didn’t comply, we would seek redress through the courts. The response to this came from Ronnie Winder! He stated he was co owner of Braveheart and, amongst a lot of rambling, threatened us if we tried to take him back.

We will not leave any stone unturned trying to get him back but I wanted to make this public so that all other breeders could see what can happen in the UK. I made a terrible error in judgement in allowing the pup to go to this woman in the first place, who became a different person once she had possession. I would urge any breeder considering sending any pup to the UK to ensure that the ownership and pedigree registration remain in joint names with the owner until such times as the breed is KC recognised as well as adding a clause in the contract whereby any use of their dog in cross breeding (by the original owner or by anyone they pass the dog onto) is liable to a large fine. Honest owners will have no problem in signing contracts with these clauses as they will never have any intention of breaking it, but it will give you, the breeder, some peace of mind.

Sadly the UK has a long way to go until it is a stable country for our breed. There are too many unsavoury characters there who only view the dogs as money making objects. There are, also, a lot of genuine breed lovers there who only want the best for their dogs, present or to be and we need to be supporting these people as much as we can (but protecting ourselves and our dogs too).

I'm really sorry, Christine. I can imagine what you must be feeling... :cry:

I would also like to add to this that, until the United Kingdom Kennel Club officially recognises the breed, no progeny born in the UK will be eligible for a pedigree. It makes no difference whether the parents are FCI registered or not. Only pups born AFTER recognition will be able to be registered and recognised.

Agreed. Disgusting behavior.

Sorry to hear this. I had a puppy buyer break a contract before. They seemed so lovely and knowledgable, only to turn around and do the opposite of everything they said.

I did get the dog back. Unfortunately permanently injured.

It broke my heart as the dog was the sweetest natured girl.

I hope you get the dog back and all is well.

Can you explain who is Andre Tanner/Wolfzone? A puppy mill? Mix breeder? Sometimes breeds purebred non-registered Czechoslovakian Vlcaks?

And the name of the original owner is not important? or maybe she will attempt to get another CsV to broker, too?

Ronnie Wilder ist well known here and I think still blocked due to their behaviour:http://ukwolfdogs.com/home_0.html former known as kennel Pacino
Wolfzone was as far as I remember cooperating with them or breeding together http://www.wolfzone.info/

Both are breeding hybrids and (?) purebreds. Pacino was very much involved with de Louba Tar till everthing changed 180%

Ina

They call Braveheart by the name of Moon and advertise him as a stud. He's just one year old (!) and hasn't had his HD test taken yet.

Seems "British Wolfdogs" (whatever they are?) are bred from HD untested parents! :evil:

The original owner's name is Tessa Brown - she has set her eyes on a wolf hybrid now it seems...

Andre Tanner breeds under the name of Wolfzone for her CsV, CsV and saarloos mixes (not necessarily the 2 together...) and her wolf hybrids. She also breeds all sorts (yorkies, labs, laradoodles etc) under the name of Shoshone Kennels. Draw your own conclusions...

Labcaks? yorkcaks?, wolfoodles? :lol::lol: Sorry, I know it's not funny, just couldn't resist...

I used to live in the UK and have always thought British cynology was of the highest quality and the social awarenss of animal welfare worth serving as a model everywhere else!
So it's a kind of a shock for me to discover these "puppy makers" are able to find enough buyers for the result of her "experiments"! Aren't people in the UK aware it's much cheaper and more humanitarian to adopt equally "mixed" pups from animal shelters than to pay for them and sponsor the pseudokennels?

Rona, its the same everywhere, people want to have something special, unique, so wolfdogs, hybrids or vlcaks that resemble a wolf will always draw attenion and thus will always be popular. The same with all those mixes like labradors with poodles :(

Hmmm,,,

Sorry if I´m a bit slow,,, but what contrakt was broken ???

Did not the girl give the dog to Wolfzone ???

Did it say in the contrakt that you was Co owner of the dog or that she had to return the puppy if any problem did show up ???

Best regards / Mikael

The contract said that the dog was not to be resold or rehomed without our express knowledge (and similar about breeding). Yes, Tessa Brown handed the dog over to Wolfzone, but I knew nothing about this for 2 days - therefore against the terms of the contract.

Although the dog was not officially in co ownership, full payment had not (and still has not...) been received, therefore the dog was not her 'property' to give away!

Sadly a lot of lessons are being learnt the hard way and I will not be so understanding (stupid??) in the future.

OK, I understand :(

Thanks for the answer / Mikael

http://www.wolfdog.org/site/dbase/d/18021

Admin, :cool3:klatsch!
I wonder which decent owner or breeder would desire to have a dog with such inscription in the pedigree :D

Brilliant!

Thank you sooo much Admin xxxxx:Rose:ylsuper

Of course, this will be removed once he is safely homed with good people xx

I will keep my fingers crossed for him xx

Any news on whats happening with this dog yet

at the firm i'm at, i can ask one of our satellite UK attorneys if they've got advice or can give you a friendly referral or so.

at the least if you can't get your property (dog) back, you can at least get what you're due money-wise back. maybe she can be required to show proof of payment in form of bank stub, money transfer or so.. by that i mean lack of such.

Were there any penalty clauses in the contract, Christine?

It would be good if somebody (a lawyer?) posted a draft of a model contract in which owners like Tessa B. would find it cheaper to return the dog than face the court and risk paying e.g. 20.000 GBP compensation :twisted:

Sadly not :( As I said before, a lot of lessons have been learnt the hard way... I will not be so naive and trusting in future.

That would be wonderful if it were possible (would any of your contacts be able to advise on this, Yukidomari?)

Excellent work, perhaps admin might consider changing the name of the owner back to the breeder as well? Clearly this Tessa doesn't have any claim on the poor dog at all (she gave him up after all).

So sad that your trust was so abused. Hopefully a lesson other breeders can learn from as well :( (((hugs)))

Is there any news on whats happening yet

Nothing I can report on, Pixie. Don't worry, as soon as anything happens - you'll all know (whatever that may be...)

Still got all fingers crossed for you and Braveheart.

Thank you xx

Have there been any developments to report in this case?

Braveheart {Moon}
 

As some of you may know I have Braveheart { Moon }
He has now been with me for a couple of months this is how Moon has developed since he has been with me at Wolfzone kennels uk.
Moon came here as his owner had serious issues with him as you will see from an email she sent me which I will add to this post.
Had Moon not have come to me he was going to be put to sleep.
I paid the outstanding money owed for the dog to his owner in the uk.
I paid a nominal fee for Moon and he is my dog he is not stolen and the contract is in the favour of the previous owner in the uk.
I am not here to argue I am clearly stating that Moon is owned by Wolfzone kennels.
He was m worse nightmare for 24 hours and I wondered what I had took on when I was stuck in a kennel with a rabid dog baring all his teeth and roaring at me.
Myself and Kirsty have spent an incredible amount of time working with Moon, I am not going to bore you with an account of everything we have done, and I don’t have the time to sit at the pc for hours.
It just goes to show you how much work has been done with him, Moon has a two day film shoot for the BBC next week.

EMAIL FROM TESSA BROWN TO ANDRE AT WOLFZONE KENNELS UK

Tale of caution for all people who are considering importing a puppy in from Europe
Dont!
MY simple and clear advice
This is my experience

I met someone who told me about this woman who was supposedly a really good family breeder in Bulgaria. she was also getting a puppy form her...
She had one puppy left and i connected with her and i told her that i needed a low ranking male, she assured me he was that and we agreed for me to buy him. She agreed to drive him over here and it all went according to plan. I was slightly concerned when she told me one of her dogs used to sit and watch him eat in case he missed something and the other cause of concern was he really missed another pack member when taken away. Little things come back to you...later on.
When he came he was an angry little puppy. Very grumpy and biting everything he could. She hadnt fed him much on the way over so he had started to eat his own shit which they do when theyre hungry
After two days she had to come and stay with me as i really wasnt getting on with him. My bitch didnt like him, his biting was off the richter scale and she stayed for a bit, on walks he was growling at other puppies. She kept making excuses for him and saying this was normal. At this point i should have given him back, but i dont give up easily and i also didnt know at this point the first 17 weeks are the most CRUCIAL in this breed of dog in their socialisation and development ( The daily mail recently had an article about this and how the wolf gene is different to the dog in development) I was already fighting a losing battle unbeknown to me, one he was actually an Alpha male and two he hadnt got the sufficient work in place that is essential for their well being.
I remember the amount of walking i had to do despite hime being a puppy as he was very aggressive still and hanging off myself and my bitch. I managed to stop this behaviour eventually but still couldnt work out why he was still growling at other dogs and puppies.
He went on to puppy classes and he did very well. We did our bronze obediance and passed. At the end of the classes i was noticing a new behaviour starting, he was lungeing at other dogs.
We moved to a very rural place. I tried to find good classes for him but at this point his lungeing at other dogs was becoming hard work.We met a trainer and she disciplined him for something and he left her arm dripping blood from his claws. He wasnt having someone tell him anything. We went to her puppy classes and his behaviour was appalling.
I found another behaviourist who said i would have problems with him and he would become aggressive. I didnt believe her and carried on with my training and walking them in remote and unpopulated places in a local forest and in the semi dark, so i didnt meet others.
I sent him to a residential trainer where he smashed up the kennel on the first night causing 500 pounds worth of damage and he was very difficult to work with so he came back early.
We came across one dog running towards us off lead and the owner had no recall, he got the lead out of my hands and ran up to the dog and body slammed him to the ground. He did have good recall and then came back. I was upset at this point. Walking had become a chore and a worry not the peaceful and relaxing time in Nature necessary to my mental and physical well being.
We did go to a wolfdog show, where he was lungeing a lot and being very nippy to my friends, which i dont accept or like. It was a very stressful weekend and i was more than exhausted. I decided to look into castration, but after pressure from the breeder about how he should be left to develop until two i didnt do it.
I did think about rehoming him at this point. The breeder suggested i gave him to a man who i didnt know or think was suitable. Not knowing anything about him and he was a long way from me so i wouldnt have been able to check on his progress. There were other factors but thats not relevant for here. I decided no and i would continue with working with him and doing my best. I started working with mushing them and walking them on a line and in harnesses. They both got fitter and stronger and our walks became faster and more furious. I noticed a change in his play, he started grabbing her back a lot but really hanging on to it. I stopped play when it got like that, and i wasnt happy about that at all.
I had another behaviourist in. The concensus was he wasnt socialised enough ( this is going back to the first 17 weeks, i got him at 15) so where can i socialise a big male with an attitude and lungeing problem and with whose dog? You cannot do this with unknown animals that belong to the general public and i couldnt find anyone with a dog i could use as a stooge with the right temperament. He had a chemical castration so i could see the effects of no testosterone and the behaviour continued, he wasnt interested sexually in any other dog. He continued to get worse.
Then the fight happened. I was walking at this point in a friends private wood. They were in the back of my land rover when all hell broke loose in the back right behind my head. I opened the back door and managed to get them out and it was stopped. His nose was bleeding, he had gone for my bitch, she had defended herself ( she has NEVER been in any fight in her life. She is four and a half). the next day we were out for nearly 3 hours so i thought they would be quite tired the following day. Not so, i let them off lead and the agitation between them was obvious, at this point he was running alongside her and grabbing her back hard.I stopped play and went home. We met someone with a male dog on the way back, his attempts to get the male dog were so determined i had to put the line round a tree to hold him. At this point i gave up and made a phone call to Andre. I couldnt risk a fight in the middle of nowhere and my girl getting hurt. How would i have got her to safety and managed to contain him at the same time? The simple answer is it would have been impossible. His size was much bigger than her and he was determined with winning the fight for supremacy in the household. He was not the right dog to be in my family and environment
Luckily Andre helped me
It broke my heart. I was so torn and upset as i had tried my absolute best. Then the breeder turned against me, after sending Andre an email thanking her for rescuing him, then demanding him back. I am happy with my choice and decision. He is happy and is unstressed and much calmer. He was never going to fit in my house and it was a potential terrible accident waiting to happen. I did consult many people who had experience with my story and who are behaviourists. They told me i was being responsible and doing the right thing.
I stand by my decision with MY dog. I was not handing him over to a woman who missold me him the first place and couldnt do the right socialisation,bring in bite inhibition, stop food aggression and who wanted me to give him to people she choose despite not knowing them and her living abroad. I have regular contact with Andre and Moon, in fact i cant tell you how hard everyone works to ensure the high standards of cleanliness, the good quality food they are fed, the training and socialising that is done. It is the best possible place for him. he was not a dog that could have been rehomed to a family. I didnt mention the destruction either and that was with the huge amount of physical exercise and mental stimulation he had with me. He was not the right dog in the right house and that is what the breeder should be aware of. My heart was destined to be broken right at the beginning. Now i see and hear many stories which are libellous and slanderous about me and Andre. How sad is that. He is happy and healthy and in a good place where i can remain in contact and he doesnt slip down the slippery rehoming slope where dogs with issues and problems invariably go ending up in awful homes, chained up and much worse. I was responsible for his well being and i made the right informed decision. He is a different animal know as Andre knows more about the wolf dogs than anyone i have come across. She is the best possible person to bring out the best qualities in him. I respect her and i trust her. He is happy and thats all that mattters. Moral of the story do NOT buy from abroad. You cannot ensure what you are getting, the work put in, munay had terrible seperation anxiety as all the puppies were kept together and then he was pulled away for his journey. He smashed crates like egg boxes as a result. He had bad food aggression when he came, he had no manners at all, he bit badly..and the saddest of all being sold the wrong dog after specifically asking for low ranking and being given a top ranking male he was destined never to stay. You do not want to go through this. It is the most heartbreaking experience i have had to deal with in many years. It also could have been avoided. Do not buy from abroad.

Reading the email from the original lady who kept Braveheart it seems he behaved as a normal developing immature male Czechoslovakian Vlcak? It's not for fun when people say they are 'dominant and challenging' dogs to own; it's only a shame that the owner did not realize this and neither did the breeder realize this in the potential new owner. Everything that was written there I have experienced first hand in young and immature Vlcaks.

Coprophagia is common for many dogs and isn't indicative of anything. Vlcaks biting, and biting HARD, jumping, mouthing, destroying things and being dominant towards other dogs is not exactly rare and unheard of, unless a person decided not to do any research whatsoever. A Vlcak, especially a male, seeming to be impossibly wild and 'aggressive' at right around the 1 year mark is WELL within the norm and could even be said to be the normal course of development in their maturity. She asked for a submissive male, perhaps she got the most submissive one of the litter? But he is STILL a Vlcak. A Vlcak (or any dog for that matter) behaving aggressively when suddenly rehomed especially as an adult is not exactly surprising either.

I don't know what the contract is between the breeder and the owner but if the breeders' contract stated rights of first refusal, which is what I gather (and common here to well-written contracts), then he should have first been (and the owner is obliged to) offered to the breeder to buy back. And in any case the contract probably laid out, or should have laid out, stipulations in regards to rehoming and breeding, including surrender, cross breeding, breeding without registration, and so on. If so, that's what I suspect the legal action is for. If not, then I think the breeder can take this as a lesson well learned.

Dogs are not predictable machines, they are living, growing, and learning creatures. Even the best breeder can't predict with absolute certainty how a dog will turn out. All a breeder can do is offer to take the dog back and take responsibility for him, which is what appears to be the case.

A buyer should take responsibility for their decisions; when somebody buys a breed widely said to be dominant and challenging and wants otherwise, that is a problem in itself, especially if the person wants a young puppy, all of which grow and have huge potential for change..

Much to be said about the breeder selling a dog that is known to be such to a person that clearly could not and can not deal with it! You only have to meet the woman to know this. :?

it ultimately is always the breeder's responsibility in my opinion, and it's why breeding shouldn't be taken lightly.. but perhaps more to be said about the breeder is that she's trying to handle the mess. One thing to sell a dog stupidly and wash your hands of it, and another to realize a mistake and attempt to fix it............

Seems to me a piece of advertising of your own kennel! Show me ONE breeder in the UK who is breeding ethically, and only pure CSVs!
I don't breed myself, but I'm sick of reading about all those 1/2, 1/4, 1/3 and the half (:evil:) CSVs bred by the British pup producers and then put on sale on auctions. I would never advise anybody to buy a puppy in the UK BEFORE the breed is recognized and honest, and decent people start ethical breeding there.

Owning a crossbreed dog who has huge problems of his own from the now 'owner' of Moon (due to lack of early socialisation and care) I can only agree with you.

I have been sickened reading about what has happened to Braveheart. He was taken on by this kennel for purely selfish reasons. No Decent or ethical breeder on the Continent would sell (knowingly) to a breeder such as this, and this has been a chance to gain a new dog from good bloodlines.....and what makes me SICK, is that even stating how terrible this dog's temperament was she was offering him as a Stud dog on her webpages within a week!!!!
That says it all for me. Despicable behaviour from someone who holds her own contracts in such high regard to blatantly ignore those of another breeder.

So, if this dog has such an atrocious temperament, has been and still is? Such hard work, what ethical person would consider breeding from him and risk passing the traits on? After all, temperament isn't all environment.
I own a dog of the live stock guarding type known to be stubborn, independent and obviously guardy, he'll guard when let off lead, he's turning into a proficient watchdog... Research told me he was unlikely to behave like a stereotypical Labrador and that's not what I wanted.
Even the most basic breed descriptions of the CSV, makes a point of stating that they can be challenging, and males especially, so frankly, I don't know what else was expected?
Perhaps there was an underestimation of the level of challenge and perhaps the breeder believed that wasn't the case, at least the breeder is trying to fix the error.


Taz

Moon
 

I own a number of csv's including Moon and as i emailed the breeder and TOLD HER CLEARLY Moon is HD tested and he has a very good score.

So all these temperament issues that you yourself have stated he had, and his previous owner said he had mean nothing? As long as he has good hips?? :evil:

Either a) you are both exaggerating his behaviour - or b) you care nothing for temperament in your breeding program.

Is the good HD result your ONLY prerequisite for using a dog for breeding???:twisted: What about its compatibility with the standard re the dog's appearance and temperament? ;-) Not to mention such trifle as the dog reaching maturity - no good breeder would breed on a pup and proclaim a one year old dog a stud! :evil:

Until the breed is oficially recognized, breeding Czechoslovakian vlcaks in the UK is impossible. Production of wolf-like looking pups for money has nothing to do with breeding! No dog born in England can obtain a CSV pedigree and later be used in ethical, proper breeding in UK, nor abroad!

24-hours as a nightmare Vlcak seems a pretty good boy .. :twisted:

I think you can find many happy owners of normal Vlcaks who will say their little nightmare was for about two years or so ... :twisted:

Quite - for such a self professed 'expert' to be surprised by this behaviour from a young and displaced Vlcak, also says a lot. :(

Hi my internet has been down for a few weeks but now i have caught up on this thread, I am the man mentioned on here as someone she didnt know or think was suitable, when Christine first asked me to help, I said i would including taking him on myself if that was nessesary, i can assure you all, that Christine was both concerned about Tessa, her other dog (which i believe is a Saarloos cross but not sure) and Braveheart i contacted Tessa through facebook to find out what the problem was and see how i could help, she was rude and not interested and told me not to contact her again, so i could do no more, i currently have 2 CsV's a female and a male and no i have no intention to breed with either (they are brother and sister), I have also rehomed one to a family near me as the breeder Mr Winder would not even answer the owners telephone calls, until i contacted him and he wanted him back until he heard he had been neutered and his interest waned to the point he would not answer me, so yes Christine and I had planned for me to take him if Tessa could'nt cope, and to Andre i would say if it is not a stud dog from good European stock you want him for, I will come and take him to the vets and have him castrated at my cost. This rant by both Tessa and Andre is just typical of people buying the dogs for financial reasons, if its not financial give him back to the breeder like anyone responsible would do
hope this clears things up but again Christine was trying to help Tessa but Andre turned her head with £££££ signs the pictures of braveheart at the "wolfdog" show do not show him being aggresive around other dogs
thanks

Shoshone, you said you paid the outstanding money owed for this dog to the owner in the UK, I would understand by that you mean Tessa, as this money hasnt been forwarded to the breeder, then Tessa is not the legal owner as in this country you only own something when it has been paid for in full, so that being the case Tessa has fraudulently taken money from you, so as a so called responsible breeder yourself you should return the dog to the breeder (at the breeders cost) and take legal action against Tessa for fraud, this i believe is how you would expect someone to behave if the tables were turned.

Good point to have the real intentions and credibility of Shoshone displayed. I wonder if she passes the ethical breeder's "honesty test" :?

I would never even dream of doing Something like this! It's people like this that make it hard for breeders to trust the potential dog owner. When the day comes that I am fully ready to own one of these dogs(I am financially, emotionally and physically unable to care for a vlcak right now) I will treat the breeder and dog with upmost respect.

-Oh.. I'm new here. :)

isn't that the truth?? a really good point made, that it shows incredible disrespect and an affront for the kennel and breeder at Shadowlands Bulgaria!!!!!


and welcome to the forums, Morgan :)

I have pm Andre on Facebook to ask her to speak to the breeder to try and resolve this situation and to answer these posts

Moon
 

May be you all would have been happier had i let Tessa put the dog to sleep.
I am sick of all o your comments, just be great full Moon has a good home.
Just so you are all clear Moon is moving to a family home 3 miles from me to live with a friend of mine.
NO I have not sold him I have given him to my friend on a permanent loan to keep a female wolf dog company.
I do not wish to answer any more of your questions and if the contract had been written up correctly maybe you would have some power to get the dog back but it wasn't.
Moon should have NEVER been left in the uk, it was obvious that Tessa could not cope with him and she told Christine this when she brought him here SO WHY DID SHE LEAVE HER DOG IN AN UNSUITABLE HOME!!!!!!!!
SAY WHAT YOU LIKE BUT i WILL NOT POST On THIS TOPIC AGAIN.
Some of us prefer to spend time with our dogs not sat on our fat judgmental asses on the pc.

Right, so the breeder is requesting to take him back OUT of the UK. What's the problem?

Ignoring the relevant points that everyone has made, attempting to justify keeping dog who will continue to bring in money and some insults thrown in for good measure.
Says it all. :(

Well, the truth sometimes hurts :rock_3

Indeed it does.


Taz

Would just like to say I have been speaking to Andre on Facebook about this and she has been very polite even with the provocation from me and is looking for a final resolution to this as well I think, but I don't think that involves giving up the dog

By pure accident I came upon this link. Is this Breaveheart????? :shock:

http://www.wolfzone.info/index.php?p...-for-sale.html

Could somebody explain WHY this dog is on sale?

Rona, they have explained "Reason for sale we are cutting down on breeding." :/

This is pretty scary, but this is not the first time and certainly not the last that people are treating dogs just as a mean of earning money.

£1,250 is a lot of money, I just hate that :(

But as far as I know the case re the ownership of this dog is now at UK court!:roll:
I wonder if potential buyers of Moon are going to be informed about this situation. Seems an attempt to get rid of a "hot potato"? :twisted:

How is that possible to sell a dog in such situation?????????? :shock: Very suspicious...

So sad - yet so predictable :(

But he describes the dog quite favorably - nothing like what the original owner described.

Maybe her description was all just false, or she had no idea what she was doing with the dog.

Either way, another good thing to bring to court. :)

Hello everyone.

I'm sorry I have been so silent regarding what has happened re Braveheart but there has been a court case running and I didn't feel it pertinent to post during that. The ruling was made yesterday that I am to be paid the outstanding money and costs - but we will have to wait and see how smoothly that goes...

As for my boy Braveheart, he was bought back off of Andre Tanner for a ridiculous amount of money. He is currently being fostered in the UK and has settled very well. His passport was not passed on with him and, on enquiry about this, we were told that the page containing his Rabies stamp was missing?? This page cannot just 'fall out' of a passport as you all know... He has been castrated so that there is no chance of him ever being used as a stud in the UK again.

All in all, we have reached a satisfactory end to this nightmare and I, for one, am happy it is all over. It does seem, however, that a contract is a viable document in a UK Court of law - despite what I was originally told by a UK Lawyer.

I would like to personally thank Admin for their unprompted action in marking my boy as STOLEN - even though I had not considered this as an option. As a result of this being done, a post was written in this thread which subsequently proved to be pivotal in my successful court case. I cannot thank you enough Admin :gent :Rose

Many of you provided me with strength and support throughout all of this and I would like to thank you for that. There were times I came close to giving up, but you kept me going. :tard

A huge thank you from myself and Braveheart. Here is a photo of him (now known as Beanz) with his new best doggy friend

http://s270.photobucket.com/user/Sadie_Land/library/http://s270.photobucket.com/user/Sadie_Land/library/
http://s270.photobucket.com/user/Sadie_Land/slideshow/
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater

I can't remember how to post a picture :(

:) !!! Congratulations !!! :)

Very best regards / Mikael

I am so pleased for you.

Well done for sticking it out. I am glad this has (hopefully) finally been resolved.

How did you do that Tassle??? I am so pants at all this technology stuff lol

That's a great news!!!!! :) Congratulations!!!! :sooo_hapy:Rose

Congratulations! I wouldn't be happier if that were my case!

great news!!!!

:) :) :)

..... I would just like to point out that Breeding contracts actually do not count in the u.k :( (still worth doing though imo) dogs are considered items :( so the only contract in this kind of case is regarding money .... Really didn't want to put a downer on such good news and peace of mind for all involved,but I didn't want people to have false security when considering to home to the uk

I've been following this over the last year (finally able to post now, haha), and while I've already told you this, I just wanted to post publicly and say how very happy I am for the outcome, that Braveheart is somewhere safe and happy, and that also the court case itself ruled in your favour. :happy