Lupus Ibericus Kennel (Spain)
 

Well, after lasting many weeks without speaking to the wait of a logical, coherent and friendly solution, I meet in the obligation to publicize a few facts that rub the incredible thing.

The breeder of my PLC after one month THREATENING this me and he says to me that I am a THIEF because I have STOLEN a dog from her

All ...that because it me REFUSES to give a few papers of the dog, which is sick for a not suitable treatment of the breeder and to deliver it in bad conditions

Please, let's not allow that people like that should raise dogs for business and let's help to that this does not return to happen

Please, Look this site, is the blog of mi dog Blizzard

Blizzard the wolf

The breeder of Blizzard, is threatening me and it she me refuses to deliver documents of the dog and is lying on my person and trying this one that returns to pay the dog to her

Already has a precedent of death in this litter and continues doing of theirs... And my dog from the delivery also this very sick

The spanish club have more information of this case.

This person has a contract of co-ownership with me. He not paid its part and try to steal my dog threatened by mail saying that I will defamation. Since he took Zacarias all excuses have been alleged illness that prevented him from coming to pay. The matter is now in the hands of a criminal lawyer.

I have nothing more to say and I hope the law will soon remove Zacarias to my kennel.

The dog was paid on November 22 like it is written in the contract of co-ownership .

The dog is sick from November 22 as this way I confirm it the breeder.

The breeder wants the dog because already is not interested in the co-ownership with me

I have a copy of this contract.

Your you do not want to speak any more because you do not have anything to contribute, alone defamations.

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This way he is like this gentleman was transporting to the puppies been packed in a box of oranges of the business that it manages and that belongs to the same field where he says that it has the "breeding-place"

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In this photography it is possible to see in the bottom the protections of the electrified fence that surrounds the whole enclosure where there were the dogs (included puppies) of little it he was serving because I itself was a victim of an electrical unload, and I assure you that it she hurts, and much, do not want to think what it he can do to him to a puppy of dog.

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Detail of one of the zones where the dogs and the puppies live. I have been in this place several weekends (even I have the invoices of the hotel where he was staying) and can say that I never saw that he was changing the water of the containers, which given the characteristics of the place was always full of mud and dirt.

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Detail of another zone where dogs and puppies were living and where it is possible to observe the garbage and detrituses that existed for all sides.

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Detail of Blizzard's (zacarias) left leg the following day of gathering to the puppy in Murcia, where it is possible to see perfectly the marks of the intravenous routes that he took the weekend for the intestinal disorders of the puppies. This photo dates back of November 22, 2009 (route EXIF)

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Detail of the conditions of comfort that Blizzard found at the arrival to Valencia, nothing to see with that he had where he was before.

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Detail of the mushroom (dermatofito) that tape-worm Blizzard a days of coming to Valencia and that a today continues without being able to mitigate given your poor immunological defenses. (Still he continues with the medication and veterinary attention). (The bitch country woman who coexists with Blizzard, also this one receiving an immunological treatment of shock in order that the dermatofito is not contagious)


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Yesterday photography realized to demonstrate that Blizzard after ONE MONTH continues having serious problems of health and needing to be sounded and with elegant specific veterinarians.

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As I have found out, this gentleman is saying that these photos are MODIFIED (Fake) and that they are not true and that the dog neither is sick does not even have anything. Incredible....

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Detail of the different signs that Blizzard has in your right leg of the different routes that have had to open him during his convalescences. (To observe that they are in the leg opposite those who her were opened a few weeks ago, to avoid ulcerations or more damages


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Since you will be able to imagine, every December it has been for my authentic HELL ... not to be able to make many things that he might have done with the dogs, spend the Christmas going and coming to the veterinary clinic ... not to be able to go out with the dog scarcely .... a torture for my, but that is not not comparable at all with the one that is living Through Blizzard. And then when he tells everything you will deal why.

There is right to which on all that, this gentleman there devotes itself to make what doing this one?

Do a few photographies lie?

I use this forum in order that there do not return to happen cases like that I have happened to my with YOU.

You have neither ethics nor morality (and not experience) to raise dogs and much less this canine race that is mas complicated that different. It is the ONLY THING that I want to show in this forum and especially THAT I left us alone

And when the owner of Zeus visited your breeding-place already it had with me discussions and another puppy had died in France. Already she had put in defense.

You are not a breeder with ethics.

I wonder why You not this one doing nothing in Spanish language ... and only he is speaking with people who does not know him personally and who is very far from You and your breeding-place ... of Spain ... that happens?

First of all i wish a Happy New Year to everyone here !

I am the new owner of "Zeus Lupus Ibericus" and i was in Alhama de Murcia just three weeks before, from the 7th. until the 9th of december 2009.

I have bought my new dog "Zeus" there from Senor Carlos Antonio.

At the moment i have no time for writing more and details, i will do later in the evening or tomorrow.

At the moment i only want tell that what "Erwan Grey" alias Julio Tudelo was writing here is complete nonsence and sometimes directly a bad oviously LIE !

Bye - bye from Germany

Zoray's Lupus Ibericus Owner
 

Hello everyone!

My name is Alberto, from Spain. I'm Zoray's Lupus Ibericus Owner and I want to explain my experience with my puppy.

Zoray was sent to me from Murcia on the 28th of November. She arrived in perfect conditions and until now she's perfectly healthy, very active and sociable and she's behaving like a normal puppy (She weights 11.600 kg)

She usually travels with us by car and she never gets sick. She's not afraid of people or other animals.

I'm sorry about the situation with other owners, but my experience with Mr. Carlos has been very good. He's been worried for Zoray and her new home, asking about her and her adaptation to us.

This is my experience and I wanted to share it with you. You can also have a look at some Zoray's pictures in the data base.

Happy new year to everyone :)

I feel that his dog this patient, but it seems that the dog does not want to pay for the expenses that it has had of the veterinarian.
I visited the breeder 1 days before the birth of Zacarias and I can say that the facilities were good, and the health of his dogs was perfect.
I hope that Spain they should turn out to be more kennel that they bet for this race as Lupus Iberico.

That strange that all the written opinions belong to persons registered new in the forum...

Being that is a forum little known ... I think the one who is behind these declarations and the one who is asking to write.

Happy New Year 2010

This topic turns more in throw shit in each other than about the problem itself.
Erwan talked about the best method of breed, but nobody here comes to english forum talk about the many litters of CzW in Spain made without even think about the health of the dogs, no HD and ED results, linebreeding in dogs which we all know have huge hips problems, people repeating litters because its have less costs, people mostly matting dogs because they live close or even people turning breeder because they have male and female CzW, doing it without minimal knowledge nor even about the breed standard nor even caring about the puppies health.

Carlos was the first breeder which traveled far for mate with the dog he likes, with the dog he found correct to his female, he was one of the few breeders wich mate knowing the ED and HD results of both dogs, one of the few breeders that at least did it and published it without fear to send his datas to the database, that only accept official results.

Well, he had a very nice litter, and I hope next years he will have more litters, with different males for bring new blood to spain, with dogs that at least follow the standard of tipicity looking like a CzW should be.

Erwan comes here to show his problem, but also to blame the breeder, I can say it because have two spanish forum wich problems and arging between breeder, owner and other spanish people could happen without any problem, which the problem could be also solved and published in more easy way, with better understanding between each other.
When have in Spain some unscrupulous breeders fearing the correct breeding and that the information about this arrive to people who search for pups, a public blame against breeder whichs trying do the best would be everything they ever waiting for, so they could use it for mistaken future owners and earn his money at the cost of the breed quality and of the pups health.

Here I saw exaggerations for both parts:
Which's the problem of use eletric fence? some people do it and its a very nice idea, principally when the dog could put in risk the life of other dogs and even his own life walking freely. Would be simply irresponsible let the dog free without any control, and of course, if you touch the eletric fence you will fell a pretty strong and painfull eletric shock, that's why the eletric fence exist, animals are not stupid, they will touch it one or two times, sometimes even more, and after it, no more, you can even let it turn off that they will not get close.
The garbage looks like plastic, some dogs love to play with plastic things, principaly with pet bottle, if you adapt it and put something inside, the dog can pass hours playing with it, even wolfdogs, of course it will look like garbage in the floor, also some wolfdogs LOVE steal things and play with, are you sure its garbage and not something the wolfdogs steal and after it "lost his magic" they simply forget in the floor?
Transport the puppies in plastic box, wood box, papper box, you put something more soft to protect the puppies of the hard part... its so common in some breedings over the world, its a good idea to transport some puppies withoutit would be two by two, depending of the climate condition or of the place, also is a nice idea to transport the puppies in a safe way, of course i'm not talking here about travel with the puppies, but about move then to one side to other of the house, or even momentanely let then there when you clean the place where they stay.
About mud in the water place, well, I have some pig dogs which LOVE DIG, they dig and after runs to his water place for DIVE, of course the mud that was in his coat go to the water gallon, I need to change it several times by day, luckly its not only one, but about 4 gallons spreaded at the "destruction garden" :p, in the foto of the water place you can see also in the deep a wolfdog digging... its almost auto-explainable question.

After all that I think that if you visit more breeders of CzW over europe you will get crazy because mostly places would be in "worst conditions", some dogs are kept in small kennels when the owner need get out for work, even with such "not nice places" to see, the dogs are healty, well threated and very well socialized, the place even if not nice is normally clean ( and here I mean, without shith, bad smell, parasicts and other things that we can call real problems, not plastic or something the dogs stole, I can assure you that they would NOT be better if stay in a ultra-mega-super auto-clean higienic jail with some people working only for this with a huge ammount of dogs like some kennels of Labradors or Goldens wich looks "nice" to our eyes, but are a real suffer for the dogs.

About STEAL THE DOG, if there was a contract, and you know he took the dog, he didn't steal it, maybe someone is braking the contract, but it does not mean "steal" the animal.
I look to the blog of Erwan since he start it, much before this problem appear, there is written at November 16 that whole litter had bloody diarrhea, that the breeder took the litter to the vet wich tooks care of the puppies and said when they're ok and could get back home, right?
So, seems that then Carlos sended they to their new homes, for what I could read there Zacarias soon keep with the problem and need to go to the vet again, now I know that the dog which had go to france died (I believe that soon his owner will write here and let clear what happened), who is wrong here?
Seems that we really cant blame carlos for it, as for what I know the vet has liberate the dogs and only after it Carlos sended them to their new homes, if its right, so maybe the vet were wrong?
If the dog arrives with the problem at the home of Erwan, he will have how to proof it and then normally the breeder should pay the dog threatment because it was not owner's fail, but suposed fail of the breeder, but looks like in this case nor the owner nor the breeder was wrong, but the vet which liberate the litter as healty.
The problems seems to be bigger than only "irresponsible breeder" or 'irreponsible owner" and looks like you're fighting for something that could be solved in peace, without doubts the court will solve it without mistakes.

Certainly in your words there are very well written things.

The only thing THE ONLY THING that I am doing is TO DEFEND my HONOR and my DOG.

The ONLY THING that I am doing, is to demonstrate Mr. Carlos that cannot be call me A THIEF and not to be able to accuse me of STEALING your dogs. Because I have Paid and Signed a contract. And if speaks this words, it is possible to answer since as like me I have answered. Something that I never did before.

I have not initiated this war. He appeared, suddenly being calling A THIEF and I am not going to allow that it should continue doing it.

The ONLY THING that I want is that she leaves me alone and after-taste in peace the recovery of my dog and my life with him and my family.

For me, only Blizzard (Zacarias) is important and your Stealh.

Everyone that breed your animals like it wants, but that neither does bad arts does not even want to gain more money of the one that has won.

I am going to stop writing here because I do not want to damage any more anybody. The only thing that I want is JUSTICE and PEACE

The laws are to use them, and if it is necessary that they take charge of this situation. I possess the proofs and the information necessary to defend myself and the puppy without problems. Only he wanted to show, since this man acts when is not interested in anything or wants it badly

NO no no. The problem of this post is other. Julito not payment and when I reclam this payment Julito threatened to use every means to destroy my kennel If I reclam the payment or the dog. As you can see in the false argumentation of this professional circus humor.

When I speak with my lawyer, and if he let me, I put in my web page all mails en which Julito threatens to do what he has done. Sistematically use of lie for destroy in this foro and in other foros. He threatened me with destroy my kennel in the world of wolfdog, breders.... and any one would to speak with me.

I not speak the conditions of live of my dogs in my kennel. I wait the owner of Zeus write about this. But I speak about the ill of Zacarias. Julito work in the photo and use the set design for to do truely at his lies. You can see one building of set design uses a stethoscope. My veterinary say me that this photos are false. One puppy is imposible that have the canula only secured with two strips of esparatrapo. One puppy of wolfdog inmediately remove the canula. You know how are the pupies. When one puppy is in the hospital we need to used one very strong and big band for secure the canula and tubs. And in some hours all puppies removed the canula and cut de tubs. One puppy not can live in one hospital or live or is dead.in days. One adult dog can live more time.

What is the illness of Zacarias??

Anyone know It.

I finish ask to the moderadors of this foro. One person that do it he can continue use this foro????

Commonly co-ownership dogs are sold for cost price, half price or even are donated, the owner of the dog would make the HD and ED exams, will pass some dogshows or even working trials depending of the breed, and the breeder that is his co-owner will use frelly the stud in his females.

I listened that he paid half as its in the contract of co-ownership, so if was that I dont understand where is the problem? Why did you wanted him to pay the other part?

Sorry, your vet cannot say that, to tell you the truth if he did it he broke some etic rules wich I really believe that exist also in Spain.

Its possible even with one depending of the dog conditions and also of who is with the dog, and i'm talking also about pups of the most energetic breeds.
In vet hospital you can meet puppies wich pass months in treatment and survive, also you can meet puppies wich are not strong enough to move their heads for drink water, if the pup dont eat properly and have diarrhea, his faint will be really quickly.

But about the photos, Erwan would really e rich is he be able to make such perfect fake photos, with such shadows, reflect and perfect usage marks of the equipments without let marks of the cuts in the photos even when we search for it in photoshop.
I also dont think a vet would let someone use the clinic only for make fell photos for "blame" a breeder, again we will enter in etic talk.

You're saing that he did it, that he make fake photos, that he is only here for blame your kennel because he didn't want to pay the dog.

He is saying that you want take back a ill dog, that he payed what is in the contract ( half price?) and you want him to pay full (??)
At least was that I could understand of it all.

Its your words agains his words... I really cannot judge as I dont know the truth.

For me, its look like more a small mistake which turns huge, like a snow ball.

Here´s the owner of "Zeus Lupus Ibericus" again
 

Ok - now i have some more time for writing .

I agree completely with what Alberto Cepedano did write above before. Senor Carlos Antonio i have got to know as a very hospitably, friendly and cultivated man with a lot of interest and knowledge about wolfdogs.

We had long correspondence via internet some months before , from end of August 2009 until my visit to him.

He waited for me and took me from the airport Alicante early in the morning , drove me in his private car more than 100 km to his place and he had already reserved a good and not expensive hotel in his home- town.
Beside this he two times invited me for restaurant and one time to his private home . His mother made delicious supper for me and at last after three days he also did drive me back again the same long direction to the airport of Alicante . He did not ask me me for paying all this service.

And all this he did without i had asked for it !

But the best came at last: He said that he does NOT want any money from me at all when i wanted to pay the price for my fine new dog - just he said that i can do it via bank- transfer when i will be back at my home place again ! I really was feeling ashamed by his confidence and his care -taking during my whole time at his place.

If I would be like Julio Tudelo alias "Erwan Grey" i may be would have not payed any money to him, he gave me the opportunity to do this without any problem ! But I´m not Julio and so of course i payed him at once when i was back home.

So far to the obviously really good and honourable character of Senor Carlos Antonio.
I can tell only the absolutely best about him. He treated me like a true friend.

Ok, now i want to speak about my dog " Zeus". I was with him to my veterianary here in Germany only 5 days after i have got him from Senor Antonio because of another vaccination was needed and the vet. made an all round- check of health of "Zeus". He also made a test on parvovirosis, wheather he has or even has had this desease before. The test was negative.
He told me that he is completely healthy and in good condition. He especially said that the vaccinations Senor Antonio had let made by his veterinarian before were correct and made with good and expensive medical material.

Up to now everything is running very good with my new little friend "Zeus" is fit and playing and growing and all is ok with him.

I want to say also that he is very good socialized, he is not shy and has no fear and is friendly to all people.

Now i speak about what i saw in Carlos` kennel:

1. The kennel is quite big , may be about 20 x 40 m , surrounded by a normal metal fence . It is situated inside a very widespread area of citrus and mandarine- plantation which is itsself surrounded by another, second fence.

The electrical wires are only in the inner, smaller fence. To the time of my visite, the electric currency all time was switched OFF ! And i have seen by the behaviour of the two adult dogs and especially the puppies too, that it must be off for long time before, because none of the dogs had any fear of the fence or kept distance.
All dogs had normal behaviour, not shy , also not aggressive and they were in good condition. Carlos all time when we were coming to the place of kennel , he opended the door of inner fence to let all dogs out and they were playing with us and each other after they had made greeting to me and Carlos.

So everything was very normal and ok. There was also no dirt around .

2. It´s simply not true that the dogs don´t get enough water or the water is not changed. If someone is telling this, it´s for my opinion very likely that he´s telling more lies in other cases.

At last i want to make public here, that "Erwan Grey" alias Julio Tudelo is a professional photographer and everyone knows - or should know - that today even for an amateur it is very simple to make manipulation or falsification on any photo, especially on the computer. So photos does not proof anything !

If Carlos Antonio tells that there are false photos made public here, i have no doubt that he is telling the truth.

For me it seems that this thread has got the wrong name. It should not be named " Big problems with kennel Lupus Ibericus " but better : "Big problems with people who are not decently, telling lies and have no behaviour."

I wish everyone a nice weekend. May be i wíll write more to this thema in the next days, if i think it´s needed.

Bye- bye from Germany

Thank you very much (NEBULOSA) for your words.

finally!, someone speaks with coherence in this case.

I am not going to continue speaking as already I said in the previous post. Since it is possible to verify, this breeder speaks that I lie, and that also lie the veterinarians, who lie the photographies, lie the works of my veterinarians ... only what touches is the good thing...

I do not try to destroy anybody, only I tell publicly the VIOLATION of this gentleman after I DO NOT KNOW BECAUSE MOTIVE says that I have stolen him.

That is what this gentleman wants? I have expired AT ALL TIME WITH EVERYTHING.

That happens to him?

They have just sent a private message from the nick "KAIKU" saying that I paid 100 Euros to Carlos. Now have I paid 100 Euros to him?

did not say who had stolen? now and it's not that I've paid 100 euros?

money, money, money ... only think of money ... But if I have not asked to pay any costs of dog veterinary PAY ME WHAT I AM ALL.

really wants this person? DO NOT UNDERSTAND!

He knew that people are talking about here are why he's asked and this is how people use and what he wants now is to not let me speak here not out of this.

It would be easier if you let calm the dog and me. I do not want problems, just want my dog is well and stop lying and speak ill of me. Only this.

thanks and sorry for all this mess, but I really am distressed by the persecution of this man to me and Blizzard (Zacarias)

I'm neither a vet, nor a photoshop expert, but the scars on the puppy remind me of similar ones which out late Tina had when she was a puppy, i.e. in 1993. They looked very badly, but turned out to be just symptoms of allergy. It took us quite a while to recognize the allergen, but when we changed her food, after a couple of weeks or months (I don't remember now) the scars disappeared.

It's quite common that pups' adaptation to new home germs/food/fabrics/ cleaning chemicals etc. takes some time and they have various symptoms - like diarhhea, scars, scratching, etc. Still, one can hardly blame the breeder for this...:shock:

Erwan have you tried changing the home cleaning detergents to very mild ones (e.g. liquid for intimate hygene), washing the pup's blankets in washing powder for babies, eliminating chicken and diary products from her diet, giving the pup calcium, etc.?

Sometimes common sense and simple solutions work best. Good luck!

And one more thing: happy, healthy puppy is exetremely messy and this is just a symptom of natural learning process!

one last thing:

If for you, the life of Zacarias is a matter of "professional circus humor." For me it is not, and with that and with their arguments and denials of the evidence that I sent you and says much of the evidence is that all this aporetic . The only thing they do is talk and talk and discredit me and veterinarians worldwide.

Nobody asks for in his public website no pictures of the instalations?

http://www.lupusibericus.com/index-es.htm

(as a public web page I put it here also to be understood that what I say)

No one questions because their dogs NEVER compete in beauty? (only few Times in Puppy class)

No one asks because he has no family or people or another places photos with their dogs? (the few ones are those that I did as I asked him please do so because it was very sad to have to dogs isolated in the world)

When he thinks something is because of what I speak, and to be a breeder should not have two dogs, but many more things as ethics, morality, love of dogs and especially knowledge and experience.

You can not buy 2 dogs and the fact that you like bragging autocalled BREEDER. It takes many years of experience and expertise on all race and breeding.

That's my opinion, though each do what he wants as long as you do it with RESPONSIBILITY.

Rona thanks for your words.

The wound is not as you say, is a fungus (dermatophyte) which was developed by the defenses have very very low and their immune systems could not solve (today still struggling to heal) this type of ailments take time and if a dog is over still more feeble.

About what it says cleaning products, the dog is treated with specific shampoos and washes with symptomatic treatment and skin and then all the processing to be for their intestinal disorders and other ailments.

Thank you very much

Here´s owner of "Zeus L.P." again.

In addition to my posting from today in the morning ( Posting No. 18 , please everyone read !) , I want to say that Carlos Antonio had asked me after my return also for behaviour and health of "Zeus" and wanted to see pictures from him in my house. So he took care also after selling the dog to me. We will keep in touch in the future of course also. He told me that he´s very interested in watching how "Zeus" will grow and develop.

A bad breeder would never do this.

Nice evening to all.

Bye - bye.

If he saw that it was quite so bad and the same day of gathering the pup was already sick. because I take it to him?
I know the illusion of Carlos to start kennel, make him calm.
This forum was begun by you, with whom end. Other owners are satisfied. Finalize already.

because I had 10 years looking for a PLC (and here you can see from other posts) and wanted a child of the father of Emba; "Eligo".

Because I think almost every week visiting the farm where the cubs were born? (you can see that there are signed pictures from birth my almost ... not trusting the experience of Carlos.

Someone can tell me that Carlos has experience with dogs? if before you have had these 2 PLC dog and lived with dogs?

Because I if I may say

NEVER HAVE HAD DOGS (and this, as everything I've said so far, so I can prove)

How can a person who has never have dogs, made breed dogs?


I do not understand some things people are writing in this post defending Mr. Carlos;

1 .- Are newcomers and newly registered to the forum.

2 .- Many blindly believe in his words without any evidence other than his word. And do not know me or know of Zacarias after purchase.

3.- Because so eager to close the post? instead of solving this like civilized people?

And call me a liar to me (me and my photos, my veterinary clinic where it goes to Blizzard in Valencia ...)

And Mr "Silvester" say that by being a professional photographer does not "fake" do not touch any photos for my honor and my photographer name, and I think it is very dangerous to say that because he says Mr. Carlos is "truth" that are retouched or modified. Beware of slander and libel without proof.

We teach the invoices and veterinary history of Blizzard (Zacarias) but as you also say is false, better keep and show you where to be and when due, like many other things I can prove.

MORE SISTEMATICALLY LIES FOR DESTROY MY NAME:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Valencia-Spain/Blizzard-The-wolf/184956429984

THIS IS THE TRUELY JULIO AND HIS INTENTIONS

Destroy your name?

Well, if it's a lie everything I say should not worry. I am reflecting my views in a public forum on a public issue as is his dog kennel.

The rest of the world can like me, opinion and rebut or discuss anything in this forum. There is freedom to do so.

I for example have no problem in saying that my pictures are FAKE and my veterinary LIE or that everything is a fabrication. People who know me know who I am and how I am, and if anything they say about me, try proven solution that is not true.

Here nobody is trashing anything.

And You know Perferct both by phone and by mail I tried to settle this amicably and coherent, and you hung up the Phone and answered my emails with threats and insults, to which I replied that if in the public would not end with this story .

Story that day I do not understand ...


And my only intention is that you tell me the documents that correspond to the dog to have it legal and leave us alone.

And until it does, I'm sorry but I will say that you are not doing well because I live in a free country and I can show my disagreement if someone violates a written agreement signed by you

I would not take part in this discution, the only thing that i have to say, i hope that Blizzard will go better and better ;)

thank you very much for your words. THAT'S WHAT THIS REALLY IMPORTANT THAT BLIZZARD IS GETTING BETTER AND BECAUSE IT IS IN THE HANDS OF PROFESSIONALS though here would have us believe otherwise

I really dont want get involved with this, but I found some acts here that could look a little bit stupid:

My darling, you're owner of Puriel z peronówki, that get registered after this topic be opened probably because Carlos called you.
Are you sure what he said you is the only truth for you turn at his side like that?
If this situation was with you? If you had received Puriel sick, and after one death in the litter the breeder start to call you for pick up back the ill puppie, would you like it?
Luckly you get in hands of a very honest, experienced and serious breeder and didn't had such problem.


Sorry, I dont see more "lies" here, but a short version of his blog topic and of what he already wrote here, sorry carlos but he is protecting his truth as you're protecting your, you will not want that after you "menace" to took out his dog he would cover you with praise, right?
But I did a small and simple question for you, I hope you will reply

but I would like to add more one, do you find correct try to pick back a ill pup, causing more one abrupt change in his life which can rise his death risk?

Sincerelly I am absolutelly surpesed with Nebulola. One Administrador that also use the lie and do false afiramtions. Nebulosa accuse me without evidence or worse against of all evidences that all people that visit me say in this foro.

Probabily your concept of "Serious" is different that the mine. I say you that my concept:

1. Socializacion. All my puppies since 1º day of born take the car and go with my family and friends for smell and sleep in the hand of the person. 4 day per week all time that the puppies are in my kennel. You can see:

http://picasaweb.google.es/dunson00/CamadaZ#

All pupies listen classic music (Mozart) 24 hours per day, I think that one "Serious Breder" as you know all studies about the effec of this music en the developement of the mind and character of the animals and human.

When the pupies borned, the borned one week before and Emba are the 1º time that have puppies. I bring Emba and the puppies all night to my personal bethroom for put the puppies with Emba when the pupies go out.

The food of emba when is pregnat and in the lactance and the puppies also are Hills the best food and more expensive food.
The vacune for the puppies are Nobivac, one the best vacunes.

Results, when the owner of Zeus went to Murcia, we take the car with the puppies and go to the city. This day was a party day in the city and had rocket explosion. The puppies not have fair, not scared and are totally open with the people and the other dog. I remember the surprise of the owner of Zeus for this quallity of my puppies. "Increible, very very good" said.

This is my work and my concept of the Serious Breder. Health, Beauty and Character. How is posssible that one breeder and administrator of the foro that used displasic male in her litter can to do lessons about Seriously?

I can only agree to what Carlos Antonio is telling in his posting No.31 before ! He says the truth.

To all people nice sunday - bye from Germany

As you have the courage to say those things you have done ... :oops:

If you've done that after my asking him to stay a puppy? The only thing I not said is what the classical music, which I disagree with that theory from the scientific viewpoint. the rest of your words all if in conversations whit me (and more people).

you are dedicated to using (and others too) to see how it had to do mating, breeding, maintenance ... ALL, it did not know how.

As you can have "chutzpah" to say these things if you in more than one occasion (and I HAVE SIGNED BY YOU IN EMAILS with your IP, email and computing track which recognizes that:

HOW HAS NO IDEA WHY DOGS ARE NEVER HAD ONE?

Why is obsessed with attacking people who disagree with their ways of doing things without ever prove anything?

Do not think it's best for you, your image and their dogs would accept their mistakes? with that arrogance is not going nowhere, sir, I assure you.

---------------
In life, one of the greatest virtues of human being is HUMILITY, and you, for being a beginner, have too much pride, too much haughtiness and above all something very wrong. He cares more about money and fame that health and welfare of their puppies and dogs.

Stop talking and get moving and to learn from mistakes as we all do, is more humble fare better in life.

All I ask is that you leave us alone and give me the documents I need the dog.

And you insist on attacking and attacking everyone and calling their friends to defend him ... and forces me to keep charging that is not complying with what he said.

IS INCREDIBLE!

P.D. little point that you put the mark NOBIVAC, if you only injected ONE vaccine to their dogs and let the owners take them out of his kennel without vaccines just ...

Second, Nebulosa say that I pick the puppies Ill. This is false. The 10-12 november 4 of my puppies have one stomacal virus that produce diarrea. The tests of parvo was negative.All pupies were ill except Zirce the dog of Frank. This is not good situations and all of owner of puppies were informed. We thought that this problem could be a alegic reactions of the Hills food. And We contact with Hills for analice the food. My 3 veterynaries said that the problem is only the virus. One day in the clinic and all puppies were Ok.


Frank had one fly for 22 of november and I said Frank that I prefer that not pick his puppy. For to have more time for to see the puppies. Remember that the puppy of Frank never have diarrea and were put out of his brothers. Frank say me that NO "I am a profesional and Have many experience and the veterinaries is the same in Paris that in Murcia. I let that Zirce went to Paris. When Zirce went to Paris had a Certificate Veterinary of Health.


The 9 of december Frank (the owner of Zirce say me that Zirce have problems of diarrea) and the 15 or 17 that Zirce is dead. Ok Very sad news. I send this mail to Frank after to speak with my Veterinary:

Hello Frank, this morning I went to the veterinary and give me one
certificate for Zirce test parvo that is negative. The veterinary say
me that the period of incubation is from 3 to 12 days and that
normally for the puppy is illness is 7 days. Well, Zirce go to France
the day 22 of november and is imposible that the parvo virus is took
in spain.

Anyware, I SAID FRANK AND DANIELA (OWNER OF AMORE) AND EDIT (CRYING WOLF) THAT I REPEAT THIS LITTER THE NEXT YEAR AND I WILL GIVE A FREE FEMALE FOR FRANK.

HOW YOU DARE NEBULOSA TO SAY THAT I DONT BE A SERIOUS BREEDER???

In Spain, the vaccines do not choose the breeder, the vet puts that in his own clinic. Do not wear medals that do not belong gentleman, because you do not know, nor did brand it was.

Gentelmen, if not for other reasons, for the sake of Blizzard you should both put aside your pride, calm down, stop fighting and start cooperating rationally. If he needs treatment, you should spend your time, energy and money on him, not on lawyers, or mutual destruction of each other's 'face' on Internet. 8)
I'm sure one day he grows and is beautiful and healthy and you'll be both (the owner and the breeder & co-owner?) very proud of him, which I wish you with all my heart, just as, I'm sure, most forum members do.:lol:
It'd be great if the New Year could bring the "reset" of your relationship :beerchug2, which hopefully will last for many years... - 8) whether you like it or not, Blizzard is now your "joint project" and you should both see to his welfare.:p

Carlos, your dogs are great, the pups are lovely and I'm sure with your approach (eg willingness to travel to matchings) and a bit more experience (with papers, contracts, etc.) you'll become an excellent breeder!

Erwan, your photos are gorgeous (really fantastic :klatsch) and you seem to be a really devoted owner. Good luck with your lovely pup - he has a chance to be a CSV with the best photo service ever! I hope you'll send a few pictures to WD gallery from time to time...

Sorry....
really??

very serious... :shock:

...very very serious...:rock_3

God, where I said it? :shock:
Well, I can see clearly that you don't understand english properly, I tough about this small problem when I asked why don't pass this topic for Spanish forum, it would e really better.

Well, after I read all here I ended to proof how you know about CzW :lol::lol::lol::lol:
Again, do you know what does mean small genetic pool?

But anyway I get a little bit shoked after I read your post, I knew you dont have experience with dogs, but I didn't knew you would arrive at such point...
Could you imagine someone listening Mozard whole day? Its looks more war torture than socialization!
But drive with neonates, its completly crazy, its a nonsense!!
Sorry carlos, but before make your next litter go read a little bit about dog behaviour, genetic, and principally try to get informed about the breed, please, don't torture and risk the life of your pups again!!



Oh, about that.
Do you mean Héro Oskar Dór, a dog wich get C with 100º and 98º degree in norberg angles as worst result, had his hips evaluate for at least 3 vets in 2 different countries?
Well, these 3 vets, well known experts said he is C and he can be used in breeding with A females.
As jezebeth is A with 105º/105º in norberg angles, with both parents A, and with almost all brothers and sisters tested and A, I really can mate Oskar with her without fear of be happy.
Anyway, all owners of my dogs have copies of the results of the parents, I really have nothing to hide. :lol:
I'm really glad that was only this excuse you found for try to attack me, but not only you as more people which aren't able to reply my questions, funny isn't it?
But I would like to remember you, that you're not breeding Labrador or Rottweilers, which clubs of some countries were able to avoid the use of C dogs, but of CzW that have a very small genetic pool and that the use of C dogs is pretty common, when used with properly females, can also improve the breed.
As you criticise it so much, I would like to remember you also, that Askia Slnecny dvor have as father a C dog that the mother of Emba comes from both parents with B, I wonder little bit about it because as you wrote here, seems you only accept A dogs at breeding. :lol:

But after all this post you didn't replied my question, I will quote it again, but after all the nonsense I read about pups here I dont wait for a good reply anymore.

:lol: Paula, I can assure you that hard rock or techno would be much worse... :p:rock_3

Do you really belive in all Carlos writes?:rock_3 People who are (or imagine they are) in a tight corner sometimes talk and write nonsense... ;) I'm sure he wouldn't torture his pups like this and only now is defending himself by exaggerating his efforts...:lol:.

I have just had a telephone conversation with D. Angel Roa Aljama, this person is the veterinarian Carlos Martinez puppies and which, as Carlos said that the photos were fake as you can read above.

Well, this gentleman DENIES having said this, and Carlos can not understand how to have said that publicly.

Who is lying here? me or Carlos?

Who is trying to distort information and mainly involve third parties who are not guilty of anything?

Erwan,

We couldn't see where is the truth.And as we are not there , everybody could write what they want.
I'm sorry to say but would be more intelligent to arange your "business" inbetween each other and not in an open forum.

Problems could happened in every kennel.....the biggest problem that you are unable to handle this thing.

Edit


Edit

One of the most sensible points in this discussion!

The more I read the more I do not like the both sides :roll: I understand the owner wanted a dog from Eligo, so he could simply contact Margo and ask about the planned litters of him. I am sure such a popular stud has some ladies waiting :roll: If you do not like the breeder or te conditions - find another one.

The breeder says he wasn't paid, but the signed contract exists, yes? Both - owner and breeder - have a signed copy, correct? So what really happened?

(Ahh, I like detective stories, it is a pitty it is a working day :lol:)

I understand what you say, but I tried repeatedly to speak with them privately and all we hear in his voice were threats and insults against me.

I hope you understand that the only way of trying to make this person understand that what is not right this way, the following is the legal way and frankly I do not want to hurt anyone more than what is already being hurt unintentionally, but it's something he wants to happen because they have the last word in this case.

I just want to leave me alone to me and the dog and hand over documents pertaining to the dog.

It was never my intention to do so, in fact, for private I asked him to solve or that I would have to go public and did nothing, so I have not done anything so treacherous.

Would you do if suddenly appears the owner of your dog saying you're a thief you've stolen their dogs?

What would you do if the microchip is in your name and address and refuses to give documents and also threatens you removing your dog?

What would you do?

Anyone can contact your veterinarian and ask about this matter. This clinic has a web site published and may be placed in contact with by email or Tlef. I like him, wants it known the truth of this.

His clinic is called:

"Centro Veterinario Alhama"

And in any search engine can find your website.

Yes!!! I have the contract signed and paid!!

So what really happened?

Certain!!

Big problems with people who are not decently, telling lies and have no behaviour.
 

Well, here´s owner of "Zeus L.I." again.

I´m sorry that it´s need to tell : But - dear "Nebulosa " how can you be so impertinent to say something negative about the ancestors / parent- dogs of Carlos´ litter??

You - and everybody here - knows exactly about that father is the overall World Champion of Bratislava last year and mother also is excellent , with "Eligo z Peronowki" as father, which is one of the best wolfdogs also.

And you know that both parents , Amore Mio and Emba have best possible hip- resultat . "A" for both hips each dog.

What about your own dogs - and their resultats for hip- examination ??

"jasmine" was completely right with her posting No.41.

And these are facts - and not only meanings.

"Who is living in a glass- house should not through with stones !"

As a moderator you should act neutral and justice. You obviously did not after your posting No.14 .

Nice week to everyone from Germany

D is about 95º including in hungary, but the difference is that in your country a 96º dog still will be C, maybe it explaines why we get such bad results when works with some dogs coming of your breeding or used by you.
His HD where evaluate by 3 vets in different countries, Brazil and Poland, maybe I should send it to Uruguay for Margarita Duran for get the same or even better results and nobody be able to contest it. :lol:
I would like to remind you, great expert, that the results are not only gave by norberg angles, but also looking the situation of the cartilage wich reflects clearly in the bones.

Oh yes, I forget, everything coming from your dog is perfect, your dog and Carlos dogs are perfect also, we live in flower world.. why do we continue breeding, if we have Carlos and his litter with perfect dogs? :lol:
Where is the lie? what I told here is fakt, Askia comes from C father and both parents of Emba's mother are B, she is A as Askia is A, its called selection, and its made in hips also. :lol:
I hope you know also that have both parents A doesn't garantee that you will get A pups, including it was the case of Oskar and of some other dogs.

I really hope Jasmine will listen to it, because its really not my case in the moment, maybe futurely, we never know.

You see, the conclusion I arrive is that the main problem is not the pups with Mozart, but the mother wich listen everything clearly. :lol:
I really hope he is exagerating.

Big problems with people who are not decently, telling lies and have no behaviour.
 

Well, if you have nothing more to say IN FACTS than this cheapest and stupid polemic you really better should keep quiet and tell nothing !

The mating of this both parents of this litter are at the moment on of the best or just the best combination you can find in the whole breed, not only by hip- results but also by very low incest - quotient ...not to talk from other advantages more.

I have looked for more than one year now for such kind of mating...and not only in this homepage.

But I have never said such stupid things like "perfection". This is only polemic of "Nebulosa", the Great.( polemic also as answer !!)

May be the status and the duties of a moderator are a little too much for you ?

Good night to everyone !

You think...??? In this case You not very know about breeding.
Carlos have moore interesing mate variant like Amore :rock_3 but.... :roll:

Its a very common ill well know in dog breeding, called "kennel blind", I few sorry for you.
Maybe you should look at the pedigree of your own dog before talk about facts.

Pleased, all people that see my kennel and say the true, owner and more people, Not lose your time in this foro. You have said that you have seen. Ok, the people have suficient information. NOT play at play of this people.

Thank you very much at all. I will not writte more in this foro.

PD. If any one have any question pleased contact with my veterinary. He know my kennel, the puppies and now know the hobby of Julito for the lie.
Congratulations for the objetivity of Administrador Nebulosa.

You insist that this is a GAME?

... For my game I do not think the health of my puppy

I do not think a game that does not explain what happened today with your veterinarian when I called him and has refused to say anything about the pictures so that you DEFENDANT

I do not think a game that you cash for 2 times a puppy and threatened to return it to its kennel

I do not think a game that I want to deliver documents to the change in direction of the microchip

I do not think a game that did not raise it with the seriousness and ethics that should a breeder of PLC

I do not think a game that delivers the dogs with only one vaccine and besides you do after being sick with bloody diarrhea

IS A GAME?

And you stop writing in this forum because they are realizing that they are wrong and what you and your friends will only want to save the information and avoid the problem.

And though you do not write I'll keep at it until they solve this whole problem with zacarias (Blizzard).

The only thing you can do now is care about the health of Zacarias.
After it the best thing would be both enter in justice and solve this problem, something you two should've done before think in start and reply this topic.
The topic will stay here as it can be also used in the court, believe me or not, probably what was wrote here will only turn the situation worst in the court.

Thanks:

I spoke to Mr. Carlos to tell (3 days) who had a week to send the documents of the microchip.

Please send me what I asked and stop bothering me, or I will take legal action. I still think good things is better than bad.

Wolfin, in the same way they have not attacked NEBULOSA them right now in pursuit for yours ...

And my problem whit this "breeder" (Mr Carlos Martinez) remains unsolved:

.- What happens to the falsity of the pictures that said Mr. Carlos?
.- What about the missing documents and Mr. Carlos does not send me?
.- What happens to the price which Mr. Carlos says that I must pay more or I lose a dog?
.- What happens to sell sick or convalescing dogs Mr. Charles?
.- What about selling dogs with just a ONLY ONE vaccination?
.- What about his threats of Mr. Carlos?
.- What about his lies?

My dog is recovering from an illness and I still have documents...

In these last posts are able to determine which breed is the vision of these people ...

Without realizing that not only CH parents make a champion, genetic mutations, hybridity. the selection of new blood, the study of race, and luck, also have to do.


In my over 14 years experience with dogs and wolves, I found specimens that have been the most beautiful and without CH champions in their blood.

for there is something genetic and selection of specimens.

When a person cares about the titles of a copy, shows how little he knows CHAMPIONSHIPS OF BEAUTY and dog breeding

My Mio did´t have any major titles at the time of covering. They came later ..
I'm very sad of your words. He is for me the best dog in the world, because he is my Amore Mio.
:wolf

Don't worry Daniela ! They are simple jelous ..............

And not for breeding too. For me emba is very splendid Wolfdog but I not understand why breeder use Amore with no breeding right - not bonitated. Next litter with pedigree but not with FCI rules. Shame for you, shame for breeder. You was looking very responsible before it in my eyes - not now :shake

Lupis,

Please write us your experienses with wolfdogs, how long have you got,how many litter have you got , what is about hd results, bonitacion of your dog etc...
I realy would like to know your experiences......otherwise I must ask you how do you dare critises many of us?????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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very good worts, this same can say and to Silvester. Thanks Edith.

:shock::shock::shock:
This is our "problem" not your. He was very young. He cover Spanish female, not Czech ...
Now he has breeding right with excellent results.

Our "ill" Zacarias.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jicDGyytxaM&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00Wg760QMP8&feature=player_embedded

Wow! He is well ! So fast! Strong little wolf! So good news! ;)
I think, it's a happy end of this affair:)

These videos are from his blog and has more than one month, it was during a recovery. While Blizzard is much better now and we have already achieved their diaros are less liquid and is very lively.

Thanks to veterinary care that I'm very grateful Blizzard is improving every day.

Thanks for your words!! ;)

Big problems with people who are not decently, telling lies and have no behaviour.
 

Thanks Daniela, all people can see the "very sick" Zacarias /Blizzard now...

So everyone could see that ALL other new owners, who bought a puppy from Carlos , me included, were talking only postive about him and the health of their puppies - only Frank Capiez did tell nothing.

The ONLY one who was making complaint was "Erwan Grey" alias Julio Tudelo.

I think there´s really no more comment to this neccessary.

I wish everybody here a nice weekend !

Bye from Germany

I have a very clear conscience and others do not, there must be. And that points you who speaks and who does not, Mr. Frank is the one that recently received a puppy out of a stomach problem with diarrhea and gory as Blizzard died a week later.

It would be good to point out that as well.

I said that these pictures are from December 8. Ahh! and Blizzard is much better thanks to the care he is receiving.

What happens sir? Blizzard wants you to be sick forever?

This is a photo taken with the phone last night. Blizzard is better thank god, but definitely not right, next week back to the vet for review, whether continuous monitoring and dose of medication or if any new

Blizzard sent you a greeting to all!

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10..._01_09Bliz.jpg

The litters is very similar to other such as line-breeding. Those others litters have produced excellent result. This litter is not original and revolutionary but i understand if the breeder wanted to go on a "sure litter", for the first time. I understand Daniela, who want to give Mio before bonitace, since more than one litters already exsist on wich to assess the coupling!
Only one problem for me on this type of line-breeding: light bone. But on Czw world we have many many litters very wolfish look without good bone structures and more strong problem! Lupis, good night!

.........................please ..............
 

Hi everybody .. y just note this topic ..( my name is on .. and of course some friends tel me about that ).. PLEASE erwan.......................... .. stop any thing and allusions about MY STORY .. .................................................. .......THIS IS MY and CARLOS problem .. NOT YURS ...........................................we don t need any arguments about that ......................................... Carlos is a REAL nice and straigth person with my family and help us in our bad days last month ... ............... y prefer REALLY yu stop any allusion about me and yur adventure .. thanks a lot ... frank capiez and family ...

Do not worry Mr Frank, I will not name him but if you do not want. I have no problem to leave this with you. For my part I will not mention it again.

If I mentioned his story is because Mr Carlos I hid all the time his situation.

I'm sorry and I hope to have soon a happy situation with a PLC

Big problems with people who are not decently, telling lies as erwan grey
 

My name is Carlos from Spain, Lupus Ibericus kennel. Is not usual that one breeder speak about one person that is co-ownership of one dog. But after of the sistematic lies that this person say about me and my kennel I write that it was the doings.

This person said me that he need to bring the puppy because he is a proffesional of etology and for he was absolutelly very important to pick the puppy with 2 month.

I said that is not good to pick until the total recuperation of the puppy. He said said no no pleased I need to pick Zacarias and now is correct in health. For this reason Zacarias only had one vacune. I let to pick zacarias and he said me that he had a accident of car the past week and not have money. "Pleased confie in me because the next week I paid you because I will receive the payment for one work in Alicante". For this reason in the contract in the payment say "the payment will be" not "was" not "is", say "will Be" future because he not payment me. CERTAINLY MY BIG ERROR WAS TO CONFIE IN THIS PERSON.

After, when I reclam te payment he amenace with a campain of lies for close my kennel that you can see in wolfdog. This peson acuse me:


“My dog due to a bad attention on the part of this new breeder, is dragging several diseases”

“incredible, this breeder use "bad arts" to increase te account in bank? this is the best method for breed?”

“The dog is sick from November 22 (pick day) as this way I confirm it the breeder.”


"Yesterday photography realized to demonstrate that Blizzard after ONE MONTH continues having serious problems of health and needing to be sounded and with elegant specific veterinarians.”




We can see in these photos Zacarias in Barcelona with the model Miriam Sanchez, International Champion fitness. Zacarias live in Valencia and he had to travel more than 400 kilometres for to go to Barcelona and other 400 kilometres for to return. Really Zacarias is ILL? How is possible that one ill puppy did this travel? And if Zacarias is ill his owner are a responsible owner?




http://i17.servimg.com/u/f17/11/67/27/44/julito10.jpg


All people can to see this photo and more photos of Zacarias in Barcelona in the blog of Erwan:


http://blizardthewolf.blogspot.com/2009/11/blizzard-con-miriam-sanchez-la-campeona.html


This person send one mail that said:"A mi tambien me lleva frito la crisis, entre piensos especiales, comida humeda especial, visitas veterinarias, inyecciones y demas llevo con Blizzard mas de 700 euros, y todavia no ha terminado la cosa."

In english he say me that he pay more than 700e in veterinary. 700e!!! in a simple mushroom. I asked the normal cost of this diagnostic veterinary is 18e.

In the last conversation say me that he spend more that 3000e in Zacarias and if I will go the case at the courts I will paid this 3000e. 3000e spend in 30 days. And when this person say of my dog that is "dog shit" I hung up on the telephone.

The adjetive anyone can put of this person.

The ILL Zacarías also visit the mountain:

http://i17.servimg.com/u/f17/11/67/27/44/zacari11.jpg


How is possible? This person is a profesional of the lie.

All people can see in:

http://blizardthewolf.blogspot.com/2009/12/reflexiones-desde-el-filo.html

Now Nebulosa you can to begin to screenig your friend

Bye bye

Oh My good!! you are INCREDIBLE!!


Because you do not speak of threats to pay him 700 euros (edit: not 700... 1100 €!!) more or took away my dog?

Because you do not speak of what your personal veterinary told me on the phone personally?

Because you do not speak of the reality that only put a vaccine for all the puppies?

Because you do not speak the alimentation of the puppies...?


I will not enter into a discussion with you (for not here) for that, nor the money he owes me the photos, nor of the many favors you have done and so I returned it.

If you are not interested as Co-owner because I do not shut things, I'm sorry, as I've said before if you want to pay him the rest of his part of the dog and I have it in absolute property BECAUSE YOU DO NOT WANT COPROPIEDAD , AND OF COURSE MY DOG HOUSE IS NOT OUT.

This is already too many laps to give him things, and as I said at the time, gave him a week to send me documentation that has not sent. That said I'm not going to talk anymore, because time is finished here and now is the time to do things by other means.

From this it brings you all these things?

It be that you are trying to work with people who do not know Spanish for demagoguery?


So you say "why Zacarias only have a vaccine"

And the other dogs? if that's true I invite all dog owners who sold to Mr. Carlos on the card showing that vaccinations are made later in Alhama (Murcia) in the clinic of the Veterinary Center Alhama de Murcia. C / Lope de Vega No. 2.

You say to past who put the best brands in vaccines puts them say no?

You put this excuse because so absurd?

And you say that you signed the contract that makes what you say? OOOPS!!! so you want to cheat then and wrote it knowingly? in my country that is called cheating, because if that is how you say "because it makes and signs a contract? and does other document?

For example:

.- Pre-contract
.- Assignment agreement
.- A statement that the document but not paid
.- No delivery veterinary paper card

was willing to maintain contact with you despite all this as part owner, but after reading these attempts his deception, and I want nothing from you

I am seriously considering pay your part of the dog and full ownership of the dog, because I want nothing from you and your tricks and ways

Please! you no longer even know what to say and is making many erors that leave him in a worse position!

Think Mr. Carlos, because this trashing this more than it already is ...

"The ILL Zacarías also visit the mountain"...

In what Mountain????

Where it says that Miss Miriam Sanchez is in Barcelona? You can read Spanish?

First line written on the blog

"Este fin de semana, Blizzard recibió la visita de Miriam Sánchez, modelo y Campeona internacional de fitness."

Traduction:

"This weekend, Blizzard was visited by Miriam Sanchez, model and international fitness champion."

And in the second paragraph:

"en cuanto supo que ya estaba en casa quiso visitarlo, "

Traduction:

"as soon knew that he wanted to visit was at home,"

Date of this post: 30 of November
Date of this pictures: 23 of November (two days after have Blizzard in my house)

My gooodddd!! yo are crazy??

Whoever can prove it! you are saying?

Shall I tell you happened?

You would have played a trick on the subconscious ... want to explain here because YOU HAVE AGREED THAT I WENT TO BARCELONA?

You want to count the reasons why I was at the Autonomous University of Barcelona in the veterinary department? " Are you sure?

How has the audacity to lie like this????

I feel very sad what you are doing, you do not know what to say to try to plug that can not cover ....

You have no scruples, no morals or ethics or professionalism and not knowledge to be called breeder, you are a traders who want fame through others and without OWN EFFORT

Why are you putting pictures and telling lies? In the pictures that my partner Blizzard precede relapse and moreover it clearly in the BLOG !!!!!

Because you are manipulating the information in this way in Spanish?

I strongly urge anyone who comes into the blog and translate what is written!

You are incredibly twisted!

http://blizardthewolf.blogspot.com/2...-campeona.html

http://blizardthewolf.blogspot.com/2...-blizzard.html

http://blizardthewolf.blogspot.com/2...e-el-filo.html

And more and more.... Is incredible your traduction to english Carlos!

People, please, translate my words in my blog... is incredible this person!!!

Mr Carlos:

Instead of criticizing and drawing out the "truth" of the photographs of Blizzard's blog, because for what it says you're explain this pics on his Kennel?

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...D/_65X9260.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...IZZARD/aaa.jpg

Since there is going to have intestinal problems and digestive my puppy if you fed them raw meat and worst of all without thawing (frozen)?

Is normaly in Pupps with few weeks?


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...D/_65X9283.jpg


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...D/_65X9293.jpg

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...D/_65X9439.jpg

Are these the faces of some happy puppies? I will tell you that these photos are not of their "breeding"?

Because you not listen your veterinary (and myself and others persons say you) when he stated, that under these conditions give food to the pups was not good?

Not even good for adults by food shortages?

Instead of entering into wars that can not win, it would be good if you learn to do things better and above all to shut up when it's time to stop.

Since you can not recognize

I ask you please not make me go to photos of this forum that can embarrass any person because transgressed my ethics and my morals and I will not go down to your attitude.

Please .... you is the worst I have known, that falsehood my god!


:(:(:(:(:(

I want to publicly thank the administration of the forum and its moderators for putting order in this thread and have removed the insults, other words that are not worthy of this forum or any other, and taken the necessary measures.

After I contact the administration of this website, the problem was solved quickly.

Many Thanks.

Frozen food..... jajaja your fantasy not have limits

But the photo that I more like is the last photo.... My kennel box Vary kennel!!!... and the puppies!!!... is very probably that the kennel box is in YOUR CAR!!!... when we went to the montain with Emba...This photo is cuted...pleased could you put the real photo.... for all people can to see....increible!!! I see that you think that all people are stupid?

Zacarias in the university of Barcelona.... more than 800km. You think that your veterinary not have the suficient knowledge about a simple fungus... Sure Zacarias is very ill for go to the montain and for go to Barcelona

Nebulosa, I not open this post. All owner and people that visit my kennel say that all word of this person are FALSE. The name of this post is Big problem with kennel lupus ibericus. The name of this post should be " Big problem with indecent people..."


And finish, I not spend more time in this post. I wanted that all people know real situation. I will write to all reviews over dog for this profesional of the lie never can to work in the wold of the dog. Bye Bye

Always the same .....

You always write a lot of "straw" but does not solve any of the questions and problems that have to do with the post ...

Always dodging the answers and always with the same answer:

Insults and more insults ....

His words have increasingly less meaning less weight and especially logical.

Continue dodging the questions and important issues ... someday you will have to answer them.

.- Documentation of the dog

.- Because it threatens that I have to pay 1,100 euros or you tell me that my dog away

.- Because you said that your vet said the photos of the cure of Blizzard in Valencia were false

.- Because I hide the death of a puppy of the litter with the same symptomatology than mine

.- He says that I don´t have paid a dog that you collect cash at the time



These and "many other" questions remain to be answered ....

you before you go and chase the dog world as just threaten, it should respond and fix this. Is not it?

This is the difference between you and me, that if you terminate this and I solve the problem, I did not pursue, but on the contrary, I forget you forever!

It is also absurd to haunt you in the dog world as you threatened me ... with their "good ways" do not think it will get very far in this world ...

This post really interesting...

yes, very interesting because the alleged "breeder" of the dog has disappeared without solving the problem and no answer to almost nothing.

I still hope show that "face" and fix problems with Blizzard / Zacarias

Maybe one solution, before everything, would be to visit several breeding station, and study all their selling conditions and way of breeding... to compare.

If you have thought that the breeding conditions are so strange/bad, dirty... everything... i don't understand why you have followed the deal !

Price, or the opportunity of breeding contract (co-ownership) which has linked much more to the breeder than selling, are insufficient conditions !

We all know price for dog is free... For the same price you have wonderful litter and poor breeding conditions... compared to other with high warrantly and good dogs (but not exceptional).

As you sometimes study some dogs and descendant, take time to study a breeder. Maybe meet some owner/customer or call some of them to have an idea of their satisfaction about the dog, advice after selling, etc...

I read all your post... I would not give a public opinion about your problem, to argue to you or the breeder. I have my own idea of that...

I just think all breeder has to take its responsability from the moment he imagines the litter to the death of the dog... but ONLY WHAT IS HIS RESPONSABILITY... not the one of the customer !

Responsability could be : information, health, breeding conditions, parents choosen etc...

I answered in the post (PLEASE, READ ALL POST) I knew the farm when Mr. did not like this (or the nursery or your breeding philosophy) but I wanted a DOG puppy from his FEMALE dog (EMBA) is not raised by the and of the dog male ( AMORE MIO) that is not raised by him.

Then I was stupid for believing in his words and accept the co-ownership, because I wanted a PUPPY only for me but I believed in his words and now I regret it.

Throw a stone to me, but I do not see anything wrong in these photos. These are little DOGS, they do not need to sleep in nice white beds with butterfly pictures on their tiny blankets, eat from their separate little bowls with happy playing pups drawn on them or play only with their nice toys, but not the plastic bottles even if they love them :lol:

1º Thank you very much to the administrator to change the tittle.

The initial title was BIG problem with kennel lupus ibericus, after was PROBLEMS WITH… and now LUPUS IBERICUS


As things have changed, right Julito?

After that all owners of puppies and all people that visit my kennel said that all your words are false and you are an indecent person who say lies.

After all people can see my dog Zacarias in your videos and your photos (on the mountain, with a model and as you said in Barcelona) that he is really very ill.

After all people can see your manipulations in the photos, pleased all people are waiting that you put the original photo of the last photo. Your sample some puppies behind a fence, as if it were their normal state in my kennel. But the reality is that this photo is the puppies in my kennel box Vary kennel IN YOUR CAR. That I remember.

All Europe know the big Erwan Grey. Some people say me how is possible… I ever say “sincerely I don’t know… but I suppose that this person have much free time (not work) for the quickly time of reply and wants to change his profession by the…”

And finally, I like very much that all people read and see all pictures and videos from the beginning to learn the truth about this person and my kennel.

YOU SAID THAT YOU DID THE PAYMENT. IT IS VERY EASY, PLEASED SHOW US YOUR DOCUMENTATION ON THE TRANSFER OR RECEIPT WITH MY SIGNATURE

If you not show us all people know you as ...

Mr. Carlos Martinez

The title of this post has changed my request to the administrators, do not you please again demagoguery!

Regarding his words have nothing to say because they are absolute nonsense to deflect the information and try to cleanse your face

Please will you do to solve real problems with the dog? because I'm still waiting for answers ....

And regarding what you asked me to show the payment of money ... How do I do that if you pay you in CASH at your home?

But even with this case I possess documents proving that payment, but clearly this is not the place, and are presented which must be submitted, do not worry you that these documents are already in good hands of professionals.

And I remember that my name is not "Julito" and lack of respect is evident in EVERY post you write "you can not speak it politely?

Anyway ... another post written by you but which does not clarify anything.


But.....


I think if you are foolish for what you are doing ...

You have the courage (or insanity) to raise public a document showing purchase and payment of an animal?

You understand that in the pet trade in SPAIN without professional documentation is punishable by law?

You are discharged from sale of property as animals?

You are discharged in economic activities?

You pay the VAT tax of animals?

You own zoological certifficate kennel to have and raise animals?

You own incinerator in their kennel as required by law SPANISH?

You Are discharged in social security with this lucrative business?

You think what you write and do it before?

I'm thinking of sending the SEPRONA to confirm these questions because you will not like the previous answer

While you think Mr. Martinez?

and you please talk only of the issue having to do with You and Me.

You do not know me to discuss my work and what I do with my free time, who do you think he is disrespecting this way?

you are disrespecting forever and never answer direct questions!

P.D. I have advised the administrators of this forum for their rude ways and his intrusion into my private life and work

I'm still waiting ....

ALL PEOPLE CAN SEE WHO IS THIS PERSON.

In 1996 I finished my undergraduate studies of business direction and administration. You think that you can to give me lessons?

PLEASED SHOW US YOUR DOCUMENTATION ON THE TRANSFER OR RECEIPT WITH MY SIGNATURE

And the original photo, all people are waiting!!!

therefore I will not detract from his academic training, but I think ... YES!!!

To the question you do me that displays the document ... you have not read the previous post? I think I answered!!!

And "the photo" sorry, but this is the ORIGINAL PHOTO....



... but you still do my questions in weeks, you don´t respond....

I will close this disscussion - I think you should clear all the things mentioned here between you both already. We, the community of Wolfdog, can not help you in this case...

Zacarias Lupus Ibericus
 

Dear Admin, I see that my Dog Zacarias Lupus Ibericus is in the name of data base to Julio Tudela. As you know this person not did the payment, not have property of microchip, not have pedigree and the issue for to remove Zacarias is in the courts.

http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/12054

I am the breeder and say you that this situation is irregular and ask you that remove the name of Julio Tudela of my dog Zacarias.

Thank you very much.

Mr. Carlos Martinez:

The puppy has Microchip
The puppy is paid
You have a copy of the contract; SIGNED and PAID
And YES has pedigree puppy

You yourself have uploaded photos taken by me and signed by me.

And this post is a clear indication of what you will do and this will be reported to the Corresponding Canine Society, Dog Race Club and the FCI to disable it.

that you are unethical Mr. Martinez. is incredible!

P.D. If the administration requires, do not hesitate to ask quote above documents

Big problems with erwan grey
 

Dear admin, the FALSE DOCUMENTS are punishable by JAIL. Pleased when Mr Erwan Grey send you, plased send me these documents.

For if the documents including you and written by you are false ... is in trouble Mr. Martinez ... also is engaging (again) to the veterinarian because the booklet written in his handwriting is the hallmark of your veterinarian.

Are you saying that also distorts the data?

This is the case for having ceradpo the thread of "breeding" Mr. Carlos Martinez is hidden in these forums to let anyone know of their actions.

I urge you to open the forum and will discuss PUBLICLY the contract and all documents written by him, to see who is wrong here.


Now it turns out that Mr. Martinez sells puppies without MICROCHIP ?????

What kind of breeder are you???

You do not even know what it says and is putting in a pinch to your vet ....

Lupus Ibericus Kennel (Spain) 2º Part!!
 

because Mr. Carlos Martinez continues his accusse and persecution I must make known to people what we are trying to do now.

This is what Mr. Martinez's with the puppies that do not interest you, try to leave without pedigree and without any documentation.

Now, in This Thread:

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...234#post271234


I respond:

and.....

Quote:
Originally Posted by carlos2207 http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/images/...s/viewpost.gif
Dear admin, the FALSE DOCUMENTS are punishable by JAIL. Pleased when Mr Erwan Grey send you, plased send me these documents.


For if the documents including you and written by you are false ... is in trouble Mr. Martinez ... also is engaging (again) to the veterinarian because the booklet written in his handwriting is the hallmark of your veterinarian.

Are you saying that also distorts the data?



Now it turns out that Mr. Martinez sells puppies without MICROCHIP ?????

What kind of breeder are you???

You do not even know what it says and is putting in a pinch to your vet ....

Sorry but this is getting to be abusive. Nobody here is able to judge who of you two is telling the truth. Clear your problems at court and via PM and then write the result here.

Ina

I totally agree,:stop :krach