The best joke of the Year....
 

Today I read on the Czech forum the best joke of the year... :rofl3

"The Italian CzW Club (read: company made for breeding mixes, Mutaras and different kinds of something - sometimes also Wolfdogs) thinks about stealing the "garant of the breed" title ... Via ENCI the Italian Club is asking FCI to become the ruler of this breed"....

NO, it is not a joke... Not Matrix... The information is given directly from CMKU (Czech Kennel Club).

My suggestion: instaed of stealing the results of work of someone else maybe it is better for you people from the Italian Club to think about creating your OWN breed called for example "Italo-Mutara Wolfdog"? :twisted: :D

hi,

:roflmao:roflmaothey are very funny and have hope :lol: :lol:

"Italo-Mutara Wolfdog" : great idea :bigok:roflmao:roflmao

Yes but sadly I do not think they are joking...

I got this info from the Slovak CsV Club about tree weeks ago

And which country have and breed most CsV in the world ??? >>> http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/dbase/stats.html

Regards / Mikael

If it be accepted wil make we all wonder about which are the truth differences between the FCI we know, and this FCI http://www.webfci.org/ that not the age?
Both are nothimg more than a cartory which don't care for any breed ( as we can se with the acceptance of Mutara's already, and the problems are not only with our CzW).

If we see at numer of litters it could be NOT a joke...but the end of breed.

funny? I... :banghead :banghead :banghead

Just tell me... what would you do if you were us?
( where us = not club affiliated clc owners & lovers)

Remeber "Quality not quantity".... :D

If you compare the knowledge of the VIPs from Slovakia and Czech Republic with the knowledge of the Club VIPs from Italian club you will see difference... HUGE difference.... precipice... :twisted:

No, the truth is the garant of the breed is ALWAYS the country of origin. And it doesn't matter if more puppies are born abroad or not...

Funny (and sick) is only just the idea of some people to ask FCI for something like this... 8) Really - the people should really think about registering their own breed. It will be for our good...

If I hear the word "Italian Club" I only makes me think of cheating, Mutaras, mixes and breeding of not purebreed Wolfdogs. Club of Mixes and Mutara Owners... 8)

That there are good breeders and good dogs in Italy is not THANKS to the Club but although the club...8) It is only the sign that the CLC CLub didn't destoryed everything in this country...

One I must say: the same people are FAMOUS.8) Famous because I don't know anybody else who have done so much damage to this breed. Who makes so much disputes and wrong things to our dogs... It is just another example how mad they are...

funny? then it is a joke.
because if it is not a joke is a nightmare.

Don't care about it... just do your job... 8) Nobody blames ITALY. And Italian owners. Only some people who suffer from megalomania... :D

Remember the same problem had Czech people (owners and breeders). The whole Mutara gate started in Czech Republic in their Club... it was the same problem there... What the people have done? They through out of the club boad all people responsible for it... And removed the dogs from breeding. Now both clubs (Slovakian and Czech) banned all the mixes and keep their lines clear of it. We all can do the same - if the breeder will ban all kind of mixes they will die out soon...
We can not protect the breed from such crazy people and unhonest breeders but we can do a lot... ;-)

Yes, I know ;-) But try to tell that to the F.C.I :bigcry2

Best regards / Mikael

and..
I don't understand.
why should they? and how they hope to do it?
all this is a ...?

and then, in Italy there is already the Italian wolf. a not standardized new breed..

Interesting news....
I am NOT a member of the Italian Kennel Club Board so I do NOT know the reasons for this request.
The Italian Club knows VERY WELL that Italy cannot take over the garant for the breed: we have not enough experienced breeders, not enough years since the first CSW came to Italy, not enough expert judges (we call judges from CS or SK to judge our main club shows and bonitations), and the club also knows that Stefan Stefik is tooo powerful and important in FCI to allow this thing to happen. The only thing Italy has is the numbers...not enough of course.
So why make the request? I can just imagine...I can imagine they are fed up of all the bad comments, most of the time "unjust", made about italian dogs, italian breeders, italian owners...
I Imagine it's a warning, saying: "that's enough of your bad talks".
It's not a JOKE, it's a proof that the situation in our breed is not balanced, and each country is looking in different directions, instead of concentrating on the breed, they are looking at each other with mistrust, dislike...
It's a pity, a real pity.
Each should look at their own consciousness and think what they have done to extend their hand to others or if instead they have put wood on fire to push away others instead of collaborating.
Suspecting that any dog bred in Italy has doubtful origins or that bonitations made in italy are not reliable or that any hd/ed results made in italy are not truthful is really not the best way of showing your desire of collaboration.
words in the wind...

this is very important....!
in the last time -- maybe -- I feel a wrong sensation about us (=the all Italians)

there are a lot of italian's people that love/adore/live for our dogs!

Its me very sorry, but I feel, that Italian Club dont make this step without any support from countries of origin. But who is by us or in Slovakia behind, can we speculated only ... :(

It's important remember that's the Italian's Club is not all of us!

I believe that is not important to be into the club, the love and the passion for this kind of dog goes far away....with or without club!

I'm sorry for the situation, but I will be considerate from the owner of wolfdog like that ... not more ..... I adore misha and I wish the best future for this wolfdog ....

During World Dog Show in Bratislava Fausto Mattioli, president of Italian CSW Club tried to find explanation from Margo why this thread has been written.
He stated clearly that Italian Club NEVER made such request.
Margo said the info comes from Czech Club, Slovak Club said they know it from "hearsay"...
Funny...somebody is building up a move to put bad light on Italian Club...again, and we don't know who it is!
Pity Czech club fell for it .... and Margo too. :lol:

Massimo, why Fausto dont contacting Czech or Slovakian Club directly ? Margo is not representant of clubs.

As far as I do understand the Czech forum where Margo seems to have this information from, it was you that started the string and you wrote that you got your informations from the FCI directly (please correct me if I did understand this wrong) so the easiest way would be if you tell everybody who gave you this information. Obviously the Slovakian Club is not involved in the origin of it and therefor not the right adress to ask. How far the Czech or Italian Club is involved and if there is anything to be involved in is quite difficult to know, at the moment you seem to be the only one that knows the truth.

Ina

Michael, as you read sure as well, that Karel Skoupý wrote, that Czech Club get this info just many months ago and Slovakian Club as well. My informations can be wrong, because it was private info only, but clubs just must have any official source. So that I asked, why Fausto speaks about it with Margo (Margo never said, that she heard it anywhere) and dont speak with official representants of CZ or SK Clubs ?

Hello Pavel,

it was me not Michael who is in Sumava at the moment and the Google translater doesn´t work very well on this translation. That was the reason why I asked, almost nobody here is able to get through this without further informations like you gave now.

Ina

Fausto asked Margo because he doesn't read Czech language and the words written by Margo on this thread are not really "informative" but more "accusative"

"The Italian CzW Club (read: company made for breeding mixes, Mutaras and different kinds of something - sometimes also Wolfdogs) thinks about stealing the "garant of the breed" title ... Via ENCI the Italian Club is asking FCI to become the ruler of this breed"...."

"maybe it is better for you people from the Italian Club to think about creating your OWN breed called for example "Italo-Mutara Wolfdog"

and this based on info she received which was false.

If we consider that the Czech Club made no contact with Italian Club about this matter but simply wrote about it on internet...Why should Fausto contact anybody else than the person who made direct accusations (as I cited above) on a private site and in an understandable language?
However Fausto Contacted me offering to communicate with Czech club whenever they want and in order to clarify the false info circulating.

One thing I find ridiculous is that the Czech and Italian club don't communicate with each other but do it through me and Margo...

Mayby they do, but... unofficially :p You and Margo are the official channels ;):lol: (just kidding ;-))

Massimo, I understand, that Fausto dont understand czech, but because communicate with our Clubs through Margo and you, he can contact there our Clubs and Margo will sure be ready to translate everything.
About the call of Italian Club here, please understand - Mutaras are breeding in Italy, through the stop from Czech Club. And its the fact. Dont be suprice, that in this situation many club members in CZ dont believe Italian club.

and not only in CZ...

Pleaase don´t get me wrong I don´t want to accuse anybody but I think there was already too much rumor going around, I think there may have been a question though not an official one and I think the Mutara people are very patient people and won´t give up for many further years. And I personally am very careful whom I believe in this, I remember Mutara very well and how many lies have been told by the people involved in breeding them. But this is my personal experience, opinion and thinking, I may be wrong.

But anyway it is more than unlikely that the garantee for the breed will change.

Ina

I have this info from "higher" places too. But if this person does not write here personally, I will not write this name here too. It is not right.

The important thing is who asked for the garantee, not the name of the source.

Only for info a quote from czech forum about this thema :

Monika wrote :
"Nic podobného tomu, co bylo řečeno se nikdy neřešilo ani na úrovni italského CCLC a v žádném případě na úrovni FCI!"

"Nothing similary like this, what is written italian CCLC never solved and in no case on FCI level"

That quote was hard to understand :|, my Cz is very bad but Google Translator and me think this is the quote...

Or am I wrong ??? just trying to understand :?

But then Margo was right all the time ;-) it was "The best joke of the year" :lol:

Best regards / Mikael

If the guarantee was never asked...it is important to know the source of such accusation.

I love the word "higher" places...
I suppose it's not sufficient for the president of Italian Club to state that Italian club never requested to have the guarantee of the breed... we can't trust his words of course.

http://www.wolfdog.org/dbase/d/7853
You always seem to be hurt in your national pride, this has nothing to do with Italien breeders in general but with experiences that have been made with special breeders and people out of the Czech Republik and Italy. There are people and institutions that are no longer trustworthy for some other people out of those experiences, if you can understand this or not. And those people will have to live with the consequences of the things they did.

As I wrote before I for myself think out of those experiences that there is a high probability that there was a question asked though it may not have been an official request or the Italian Club who asked through it´s president. And though it is not really important because this question won´t get a positiv answer I am curious if there was a question and who may have asked it because in the past we did our best to help to prevent Mutaras to be crossed into the breed and still would do. And if I get informations of people I trust in and who give me this information secretly I too wouldn´t give them away.
But it seems also that both Clubs out of the country of origin did get this information some time ago.

Ina

The whole thread is the biggest joke of the year !

...I just wonder if people really have nothing better to do that discuss empty accusations and imaginative rumors that nobody will back up by name :roll:

Next topic could be : are Santa Claus really alive ??? :lol:

Oh yes! And he is at wolfdog.org also, as Admin. :p

Just for your all to have some more gussip to write about, I will personally request the FCI for Denmark to have the guarantee of the breed, as we in Denmark have absolutly no controversies, disputes or conflicts in our spec. club as I am the only one active(for CSW) and in same time I will ask for the breed name to be changed to "multinational wolfdog" :lol:

It really makes sense right ??? 8)

Rolf, you must understand, that nobody will public own unofficial private contacts to FCI. Who can do it, is Czech or Slovakian Club. As Karel Skoupy wrote on czech forum, Czech club just discuss this thema many months ago, so that is no problem to ask there.

Yes, I responded to text on the Czech forum as on unverified information. The Czech nor Slovak Clubs are not the authors of this information! I want to ask Mr. Stefik (president SKJ – guarantor of Czechoslovakian wolfdog) and verify or refute this information.
Karel Skoupy

Mr Mattioli's disappointment (and not only his!) was due to the strong words which start this post...considering it comes from "unverified information".

I personally have nothing against anybody, not any Club, not Margo, not wolfdog, just that I'm fed up of "easy" attacks to Italian dogs because of the club because of not reliable bonitations because of not reliable pedigrees.

This saturday we get on our club meeting very interesting information from Ing. Hartl. One member of club ask generally, if is true the information, that italian club ask about race guarant by FCI ? Everybody was supriced, when answered Ing. Hartl. He said, that he speaks with a tranlator, who translate a private talk in Itakly between Monika Soukupova and one italian breeder. Monika ask him, when Italy have just so much CsW and so much litters, if dont think about take a guarant of race by FCI. Ing.Hartl said, that somebody must public info from this private talk. So if is it true, then is question who (by talk, according info, were only Monika Soukupova, this breeder and translator) and why ?

So you are saying that we are not speaking about official data but just a chat between a breeder (god knows who) and somebody who has NOTHING to do with Italian club?
not enough to write all the rubbish which was written, sorry!
I once heared somebody saying that somebody wanted to mate Jolly z Molu es with a whippet.... Should I post this idiocy on the forum?
It's an example of course..but please, really, don't you see that any silly excuse is good for bad talks?
I have Jasna Zlata Palz at home, winner of intermediate class in world dog show... I plan to mate her with my male ferret... anybody wants to put info about new mix breed on official news?
massimo

No Massimo, I dont have this information. I only translate, how argumented Ing. Hartl on our meeting. My informations comes from oficial sources.

Thank you Pavel.
Just let me recap if I understand well.
You have Official Information that there is a request from Italian Club.
Mr Hartl said somebody must have overheard a discussion between Ing. Soukupova, an Itailan Breeder and a translator but your information does NOT correspond to this chat.
The Italian Club President Mattioli CONFIRMS there is no request from Italian Club and remains available for any clarification anybody wants to have, be it you, Margo, Czech Club or Slovak Club and wonders WHY the Italian Club is getting involved in such discussions.
massimo