New admin
 

For who to send results from shows and exams, now an apparently new admin is in charge of this site ?

Rolf

The results should be send to the same address as before: [email protected]. After the changed which will be done soon to this site the system of adding information will change a lot. I hope it will change for good.

Thanks for info :)

maybe the breeders from uk will get put back on the breeders listings and even get our countries flag back up, lots of our friends in Europe ask us what is the problem, we have sent many mails as to why we have been removed we have never had a reply, we where removed nearly 18 mths ago, if the person responsable would please tell us online why we where removed??????? the information on our last two litters in uk have not been sent as it seems a waste of time as we do not exsist according to this site.

I also wonder why GB and their breeders are removed. Could anyone answer?

CzW is not a KC recognized breed. It means they do not get FCI-recognized pedigrees - at the moment they have the same status for our population as the nonpedigree CzWs bred in Europe.

After the breed will be accepted by KC and the puppies will get "normal" (FCI recognized) pedigrees the responsible breeders (who do not mix CzW with any other breeds) from GB will appear on the list.

I don't understand one thing: why do people who hate this private website and openly criticize it again and again in a deplorable manner, ofend regularly its owners/admins/moderators, throw accusations on CSV owners/breeders, not only keep posting here, but also care if they are listed or not and vicitmize themselves if they aren't. There is no obligation to be a member of this community, especially if you hate if so much and think so badly of it!

It's like a case when somebody went to somebody's private home in muddy boots, broke the best vase, called the hosts names, ofended other vistors and then was surprised/shocked and cross that he was not invited again to that place. Why don't you guys take your toys and go to another sand-pit or build your own one where you can apply rules and regulations you wish? :shock:

This was explained plainly by the Admin or Margo a few days or weeks ago. Just browse the forum a bit and you'll find the answer.

Ok this is a stupid stupid question but....
does the Admin have a name?? I thought it was Przemek but maybe I'm wrong!

so how come you have two reeders from USA on the breeders listing are they under FCI,? do they have proper USA pedigrees,and do the USA work with FCI.

it started when you and your cronnie friends accused me of mixing other breeds of dogs with my czechs, when i told the truth that i did cross my czech with a wolf and that it was my private breeding programme with my friends from Europe and USA, your little group then told me what i should and should not do, many of my friends from Europe have been sending me private emails since your post has went on line, telling me to ignore you that you are a stupid person and that you talk for yourself not the people of Europe or for wolfdog.org, i have good dogs in uk as many European people have visited and commented on, i have worked hard for 6 yrs and we have news from k.c. that the cws will be registered very soon, i am not and will not be held responsable for the people in uk who cross breed with other breeds to make money solely because they can now say there puppies have wolf content and can demand big money, i have imported 3 new dogs this year and several more come before christmas so i will be breeding pure czechs in uk and when breed is recognised it will be my great pleasure to invite everyone from Europe to come to the uk show rings and let the generl public see more for these wonderful dogs and we can then show our dogs in Europe if we wish to do so, i know a lot of people in Europe and that is all over Europe and one of my dearest friends is from your country and has seen my dogs, i clearly state on my website that i have two differnt types of wolfdogs the mating i done was for new bloodlines for my friends in Europe and USA, whom i hassen to add have no interest in czech wolfdogs at all, and we have no intentions to register any of these wolfdogs as cws as you and some of your friends implied, your friends also accused my dear friend Jan from Germany who has one of these wolfdogs of going to cross it with a sarrloos, his puppy was just 12 weeks old at the time, he dosnt even own a saarloos or czech for that matter, so you see Rona if you and your friends make accusations on line that is not correct then yes you will get it right back, one more thing before i go, i introduced the cws to uk, i have bred 3 litters in 9 years, i have taken 6 yrs to get the law chaged in uk, soon my work will get the cws recognised by the kennel club, i moved and hid my dogs 3 times to stop them being siezed by authorities, risked going to jail, i done this not for praise, not for self esteem or glory, i done this because i love my cws. I got lots of support from all over Europe and have done for the last 6 years people who do not come on hear often because of people like you, these people are dedicated to the breed, and have no time what so ever for your sarcasium and slander about things you know nothing about. so i end with my own sarcastic remark as you know i will,, GO TAKE YOUR 1 WOLFDOG FOR A WALK.........

Artemis Testamonium diaboli

my last post only put up the name of a dog that i asked in your oppinion is this dog a pure CWS ? there are also lots of other photos on this site where the dogs look not as to fit the breed standard by a long way, you also state only breeders from uk that do not cross with other breeds will be accepted, i take it this also applies to any country not just u.k.,? like for instance France or Italy as examples only of coarse,,,, oh yes if you could let me know if i am classed as x breeder, i used a male CWS on a wolf,, but you do state mix CZW with other breeds,, the wolf is not breed but Species, is this o.k. or are you going to change the rules again for u.k.
was this not done in Europe? maybe i get mixed up........

To answer your question, as one of the "listed USA breeders"....

My oldest male and female are registered with the AKC Foundation Stock Service (FSS), which is the preliminary phase for rare or new breeds. My younger female's paperwork is pending, my younger male will be registered once I have his paperwork from Italy. After 300 dogs/150 owners are registered with the FSS, the breed moves into the Miscellaneous class for a year before being eligible for AKC sanctioned conformation events. In the FSS phase, the CSV is eligible for performance, working and companion events once a breed club, standard, and 3 generation pedigreed dogs are established in the US. The AKC and FCI will reciprocate with pedigrees - each honors the other. Imported dogs must be DNA verified with the AKC (and match the microchip/tattoo inserted by the breeder's vet) before their litters can be registered. Beyond that, is up to the American breed club to establish a code of ethics for breeders related to the AKC.

At this point in time, I imagine most, if not all, CSVs bred in the US will remain in the US (although I have had some inquiries about future litters from some mutt breeders in the UK - I didn't respond:|), since they don't possess any uniquely diverse genes that are not already in Europe. There is a higher chance of dogs in the UK making their way to mainland Europe, I would imagine, simply out of closer proximity.

I also health test all of my dogs before I breed...my 2 oldest have their Penn-Hip results (which takes 3 x-rays - distraction, Norberg, and standard hip-extended view). In the standard hip-extended view, it was noted that there was no degenerative joint disease - HD, or cavitation in either dog. In laxity (looseness of hips), my male (Taabernakkelin Hronsek) had hip results of 0.38 and 0.39. My female (Anthea od Vlci SKaly) had hip results of 0.23 and 0.37. Both were in the 80th percentile for all breeds - they have tighter hips than 80% of all dogs tested. As far as I know, they are the only CSVs to take the Penn-Hip evaluation (currently it is a closed database). Once 20 CSVs have been tested, there will be specific statistics for the breed, and results will be even more useful and accurate. Margo already has copies of my certificate - it's her choice to use them (or not) if she thinks they will benefit the website.8)

Penn Hip website: http://research.vet.upenn.edu/Defaul...nn.edu/pennhip

Tool to find certified Penn-Hip vets in different countries that give Penn-Hip tests (in the USA, it's a bit more expensive than OFA - but the standard x-ray can be taken at the same time, so x-rays only need to be taken once for submission to other foundations). Penn-hip will provide statistics for breed clubs:
http://research.vet.upenn.edu/Default.aspx?TabId=3539

Articles on the science of Penn-Hip:
http://www.amrottclub.org/health_pennhip.shtml
http://www.canismajor.com/dog/pennhip1.html

I will be testing for ED once my female is 2 years. Results will be found here (OFA hip results for 2 wolfdogs - not mine - can already be found here): http://www.offa.org/search.html (scroll to Czechoslovakian Wolfdog)

My CERF (eye) results are pending, and will be found here:
http://sunnycrest.vmdb.org/CerfWebSe...rchByName.aspx

Once I figure out a way to export my dog's blood to the Netherlands, I'd also like to test for the dwarfism gene.;-)

I love this breed, and really do want to start things out right in the USA...this year I was very lucky to see my first bonitation (in Roudnice nad Labem, in April), and also to meet Karel Hartl and many owners, breeders and wolfdogs!:)

Blusteel also has very good intentions, and have a history of ethical breeding of the Cane Corso.

All of the very best,
Marcy

:roflmaoCommunist scientists used to claim that quantity turns into quality, but nobody sane belives it any more :lol:

But less we not forget 1945 to 1989 Communist era

then after reading this your dogs are not eligable to attend any FCI show and are not under FCI ruling, so therefor technically according to what the Admin has stated you should not be on the breeders listings, but be as uk breeders not listed, but i am glad to see you and your countries flag up there it lets people see that people in USA are working for the breed, in uk we are lucky as we only need 10 imports and we have these all from different lines, all breeding stock is health checked, we do get abuse about our dogs but as your dogs, they all originated from Europe.......our dogs can go onto rare breeds registry and can compete at shows in UK and Europe, it seems very unfair to ask for so many dogs and owners, if you have 10 or more dogs from different lines then you can breed for many years befor needing new lines, why can they not accept this as a good enough gene pool for say 5 years after which you would then when required and via your club import more new lines. the uk kennel club take show statiistics into consideration and if you look at them on this site under showing you will see the mumbers for most shows are small,we also have letters from many European reeders who have stated we can use there stud dogs to increase our gene pool as we can now travel freely to Europe on passports to breed our bitchs, i am sure if you ask the breeders in Europe you can get frozen seamen straws for AI to USA. the k.cluub in uk have given lots of leeway for new and rare breeds ,

why dont you be a good girl or i will put up all the emaills i was sent when you where ignorant and abusive to peoplle in uk, and some where from people you know very well, this would take the grin of your silly little smiley faces.

As I understand, once the breed is recognized by the KC - and the dogs in the UK have KC recognized pedigrees which reciprocate with the FCI - they will also be "recognized" by this website as registered dogs. Maybe I am wrong....but I don't think it has to do with shows; it's more about the dogs being "legally recorded and recognized" in their country of birth. KC issued pedigrees will serve as legal "proof" of a dog's pedigree. My dogs (and future litters - none have ever been bred here) are registered with the AKC/FSS - they are legally recorded in the US registry. I also heard it is possible to register US dogs with the Puerto Rico branch of the FCI, since they are a US territory...something I might look into if the need were to arise...but I don't know the exact regulations of the FCI, so that could be wrong.

As far as litters/breeders being listed on this site, I think it is the regulation that kennels that breed mixes are banished - whether they are from the UK or another country...I've never bred a mixed litter (or purebred CSV litter), or had my dogs involved with one, so maybe it is also the reason I am still listed. If I followed the practice, I would also be banished. I think the "elusive Admin" 8) tries to be fair, but he/she/they also do their best to look out for the best interest of the breed in maintaining the site...this is a narrow and difficult line to walk...a difficult part of leadership of the site, I imagine, especially knowing they will make some people upset. In many breed clubs in the USA, there is a code of ethics breeders must follow - a set of rules meant to protect the dogs - that has sanctions against breeders who breed mixed litters intentionally (it's viewed as an unethical practice) - the sanctions may be fines, or a period (usually 1-5 years) where dogs/litters owned by the breeder can't be registered, exhibited, etc. I don't know what the steps to redemption are for this site to be listed again, if there are any...but it is a private site, so those steps aren't required either. It is a privilege - but not a right - to be listed here. The privilege comes to those who abide by the rules - sometimes there are areas which are not so clear which must be responded to and worked through as the need arises (like the problem with ED on the other thread)- that is part of change and evolution with any organization, especially when there is no precedant...but again, this is only my perception...maybe I am wrong.

As for the AKC...haha...that is a whole different huge, ugly can of worms. It is based on money - until you have a large amount of dogs registered, the AKC doesn't think it is worth their time to devote attention to a breed. Once a breed is recognized, it becomes very political with professional handlers. Many newer (especially working) breed clubs have fought against recognition by the AKC...us Americans have a bad reputation for doing bad things to some dog breeds:cry:...our shelters and veterinary clinics full of genetically unhealthy dogs are living proof...this is part of the reason I was attracted to the CSV - it is a breed with real potential here, one that hasn't been ruined by poor breeding in the US. And now, it is why I do my best to steer it in a good direction in any way I can in the US. Mostly for fun, and to introduce other people to the breed, I show in UKC shows (no professional handlers allowed) - but this registry is not recognized by the FCI.

Marcy

As usual when some users are around the thread is totally out of its original text.
Can we create another endless thread AGAIN for UK&US breeding please

by the way, i asked already and ask again

WHO IS ADMIN
massimo

My interpretation of this thread is that it is about frustrations over missing information, and the anonymity of "Admin" on WD. Paul stuck to this topic -though his information is missing for other reasons...even with the topic of UK being gone over many times before before, maybe he still doesn't understand, who knows, so I tried to explain one more time - what I have interpreted. Truthfully, I'd have never said anything at all - I'm sick of bickering too - but my kennel (and registration...and reputation) was addressed in Paul's thread. So, since no administrators answered, I gave my analysis of why my kennel is listed, and his is not. I also gave some results (Penn-Hip) that have not been posted on WD - and yes, it's a little frustrating - but it's not my website, so it's not my business, there are no blatant falsifications - I don't care too much. I do get questions in private emails (from Americans) who have looked at my dog's WD pages (and found my kennel here), and seen there are no HD results - so, in light of being addressed by Paul, I listed the online resources where American results can be found (other than WD), for anyone that might be interested - Americans (there are many), or otherwise.

Most discussions evolve (in person, or on a forum) in different ways - but maybe next time I will start 10 new threads for each related thought or detail I have about a topic.8)

As far as I know, there are no threads (other than people popping on every now and then to ask about it) about American breeding - since no litters have ever been bred in the US. If moderators or Admin want to move it to a new thread, it's no problem. In that case, I apologize for my confusion. I have faith in them to make a good judgement. I don't think Admin is Mickey Mouse - it's either Margo or Przemek - or someone they trust - and that is enough for me.

Don't deride me, please, Massimo....so far as I know, I have done nothing to wrong you...;-)

Marcy

Ciao Massimo,

According to Pavel, the database is still in Margo`s care ?
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=11828 (post 3)

Best greetings Rolf

I have no further comments on any subjects untill Admin will be named, start answering questions directed to him/her and share the scources of his/her claimed scientific work ...until that happens Admin is just a troll, like anybody else in the past who did not want to stand by it`s own opinions by name...

Rolf

Rolf is completely right, I thought by myself, why the Admi has no name????

Margo and Przemek promised us all will change and will hopefully be better. I was missing show results for almost a month. Did there have been no shows?

There are a few other questions to be ask.

Christian

I think we must give the new Admin some time to adapt to he’s or her new work.

I think there is no name on the new Admin because of all the personal attacks on Margo and her family true out the years, and this is a way to try to prevent to make the same mistake…

I think all show results and data will be added as some as possible, but as the site was moved to another server there has bean some trouble whit the site and more important things for the new admin to work whit than to put up new data…

I would also like to thank Margo and her family for all hard work they have put down by building this website only to provide us whit data and info about the breed, and provide breeders a place to sell litters on and a forum for us all to make contact.

Thanks Margo, Prezmek, family and crew :tard

Very best regards / Mikael

I agree and thanks Margo and Przemek.

:thumbs Me too. And I wish the new admin (whoever he/she is) as much patience, determination and perserverance as Margo had. :rock_3 Good luck! :lol:

I also join in and want to say Thank you to Margo and Przemek!

Ina

... and steady nerves ;) :)

Hello everybody. I have not frustration about unknown new admin, I want only ask admin, if he can give on web my add about pups od Úhoště from my Wickey, which I sent him two weeks ago........
And today I sent HD and ED results of my Unique od Úhoště.
So, please, admin, don´t forget on me................
thanks Hanka

also me, me hd di i have sent the results one pup of mine "axel runningwolf" you could publish it please?

last database update was 4/10, i think we need patience!
If your data was sent BEFORE and still not there, or when database is updated and your data is missing, then I suggest to ask admin, otherwise no use!

Updating 1x monthly?????? Very quick.:(

Hello admin, I have some questions. I see, was some uploading of new dates.
1) Why is deleted my add about pups "od Úhoště", mother Moki od Úhoště, father Ostin Eden Severu? This add was on wolfdog page in last 4 weeks and now it is not there.
2) Why there is not my new add about pups from my Wickey Crying wolf and Czambor z Vlčího dubu? I wrote email with all dates about this litter 3 weeks ago.And I see other adds from other breeders are there.......
3) I sent scann of HD and ED results of my female Unique od Úhoště. If was some uploading, why this result is not on wolfdog page?
Thanks for answer.

Right... :)

Dear Admin, don't forget also about my litters too.
Even two.... :p

Hello admin, I have some questions. I see, was some uploading of new dates. Now I write one question more.
1) Why is deleted my add about pups "od Úhoště", mother Moki od Úhoště, father Ostin Eden Severu? This add was on wolfdog page in last 4 weeks and now it is not there.
2) Why there is not my new add about pups from my Wickey Crying wolf and Czambor z Vlčího dubu? I wrote email with all dates about this litter 3 weeks ago.And I see other adds from other breeders are there.......
3) I sent scann of HD and ED results of my female Unique od Úhoště. If was some uploading, why this result is not on wolfdog page?
Thanks for answer.
4) Why is deleted kennel od Úhoště from wolfdog database? I sent all info about my pups, etc.......

Your litters was deleted because of missing information of your kennel. I found out that there is * by your kennel and was informed that you declined to send the information about your puppy owners (even if we DO NOT ask the personal information but only some info for statistics what can be given without breaking any EU laws).
It is clear written on the page "Submit information about incoming litter (for free)" that:

7. As the time goes or at the latest after puppies' pickup you are obliged to send us information about puppies (birtday date, names, registration numbers, tatoo/chip numbers, names of new owners and if it's also possible their contact addresses, phone numbers and emails) to our email address [email protected].

8. Free-of-charge advertisements base on reciprocal benefits - You get a chance to announce your litter effectively and for free and we receive from you the information about puppies and owners as a "payback". Until you don't fulfill the conditions described in paragraph 7) you will not be able to place more advertisements. Resending of the overdue information to us will result in your future advertisements being published again.

Sorry but it would be not fair to advertise litters of people who to not fulfill the given requirements while all other listed breeders do it and keep to the "rules"

So it means, you want info about my last summer litter? Ok, I send....

But you have this email about X pups from us already......We sent it.

Hello ,

It is not realy fair and correct.
I sent every datas of my last litters several times and nothing happened..........

Edit

No, sorry, Kerstin told me, she sent all datas of pups X od Úhoště over "add dog", not email. But result is the same- it is not there.......

I sent the datas to "add dog" as well like Kerstin, the result is the same.
Moreover I have found a lot of kennels with missing datas, much more missing datas like mine and they are still in the breeders list and theire litters are still on the ad page.
So Dear Admin , please tell us the way of your selection....

Edit

New Admins. Well, maybe a better GIG BROTHER.
You are the terror of kennel.

Margo can not even sleep peacefully.
Is not complemented by data from the last two litters.

Well but it is not in danger.
Often talking to admin.

Well, of course, but it is advertising the litter Wickey & Czambor :twisted:

As far I know it was explained here several times already. If can see HERE:
http://www.wolfdog.org/eng/dbase/
that the last update of the database was made BEFORE you send the data. Because till now the data was not updated it can not be visible. It apply also to other kennels.

NO UPDATE = NO NEW DATA

I see your personal rules are really strange. I will try to explain something to you. If you buy a car, house, boat or something you must PAY for it the given price. If you do not do it the court or the collector will take them from you. Not because the country and the system do not like you but because so are the RULES and you signed them.

Wolfdog.org offers to breeders FREE advertisement of litters for which usually many breeders have to pay several hundreds of EUR. All we ask is to send us some information. NOTHING MORE!
If you think it is not fair we can change the rule and we will ask NOTHING (no information) just the money. Do you think it will be more fair?
Many breeders earn thanks to Wolfdog THOUSENDS of EUR but have problems to donate us 5 minutes of their "precious" time. Sorry but we have enough honest and fair breeders for whom given word, signed requirement is a holy thing and they fulfill their duties in 100%. So why should we ignore them and help "black sheeps" who are interested only in their own profits? I prefer to remove breeders who don't want to be fair and advertise only breeders which are fair and honest to us....

The database is updated daily.

Someone changed data in the pages of dogs.
Someone added the results of the exhibitions.
Someone changed a thousand other things in the database.
Everything what is on the WD, it is a data base.

That's all people are doing with the appropriate permissions through the admin panel.

Through such actions in the database errors created.

Then someone does a comprehensive update of the database in a text file.

Breeding of Peronówka is not supplemented by data on at least two litters.
Why breeding of Peronówka is present in the database ?.
While other breeders were removed from it.

It is just your imagination. The data in the database was not updated since 04-10-2009.

Oh, this is your problem :lol: - PURE ENVIOUSNESS
I must disappoint you - Margo sent me all information about her last litters already long time ago. Fast and diligent as she always do. Now I'm sorry that she is attacked by people like you only because I had no time to update the database.

I really can not help you in this case. All I can do is to feel sorrow for Margo to have such type of people in her country to deal with.

Dear all-knowing Big Brother.

My imagination can kill. It can also lead to loss of mental health.

I know what it is the database. You can see that you have a problem with that.

In this case all the fuss is your fault.

Now I know why you can not be disclosed.

Anyone who adds any information on the WD, adds them to a single database. WD is one of the whole database.
Date 04-10-2009 does not appeal to me.
Much information has changed on WD within a month.

~ 22-10-2009 modification of the Osieczna Bonitations
~ 15-10-2009 modification of a reproductor
~ 18-10-2009 modified card Czambor
~ 05-11-2009 changes to the list of planned litters
~ 06-10-2009 changes to the list of planned litters

Is it specified below are not in the database. ?

You Read what is written in advance.

Then we can fantasize together.

yes we would like all that all goes quickly, it is human :lol: ,it is always necessary to complain….:rock_3

But just one thing, return hopes work to be brought for this site!!!!!

Me I do not have to complain, and I would never thank enough the admins for putting to us between the hands a site such as wolfdog.org!!!! :lol:

I find odd this lack of patience on behalf of wolfdog owner :? :lol:

Pffffffft :frown: What is this all about...........? :confused2
Maybe there are simple reasons, why some things on the site changes before the total update!;-)

Wilczakrew I don't know you and you don't me ;)
But for your info: I am just a simple moderator of the Dutch forum. And I am not a member of any camp/group/family here :lol:
I also even don't know who is the admin :roflmao

But I know I can change/add some things before the total update of the site, like in the list of planned litters.
So maybe that is also an explanation why some other things can change before the update ;-)

Sometimes I am really wondering why people are so aggressive and suggest there all kind suspicious theory’s….

• Don’t they realize we all have the same goal: the best for the CsW breed?
• Don’t they realize that there are profits for breeders who cooperate and share info?
• Don’t they realize this is a private site and they can leave it when they are not satisfied or interested?
• Don’t they realize that all moderators and the admin spend weekly a lot of hours as volunteers for a site for everyone of you?
• Don’t they realize that all these people have (beside the wolfdog site) , also have work, family, animals, problems and so on, of their own like all of you?

( A small example for your info Wilczakrew, I just did came home very tired of my work, but before I went to bed, I was reading and answering my wolfdog PM´s and after that the last posts, while you were probably already asleep
`

And:

• Yes I also know there are still mistakes and missing info on this site
• Yes I also know not all your info is added at the same day

And NO, I also know we never can satisfy you all! ;-)

But it would be very nice to receive sometimes a bit of understanding for all the work all the volunteers of this site do ( and what you can’t see at the same day you did add or send the info )!
Instead of complains and all kind of negative suggestions…..

Best regards,

Mijke is not what you think.
I do not deny. I am not attacking anyone. I am very grateful that someone is working on this.
I know how much dedication is to you and others.
I know how precious is the time for each person, because I do not have too much.
I'm interested in why someone is lying in the name of ideii.
Wd rules should be for all the same.
No data - Lock - suspension - removal.
Unfortunately, you yourself know that it is otherwise.
On each of these versions, some people write something completely different. On the same topic.
I will not give you examples.
This is what not let me sleep longer. :)
Maybe let the breeders pay for advertising on the WD. Like pay for their servers, pages, etc.
If someone puts pressure on someone he did not blackmail it is better.
This should not be carried out data acquisition method.
Excuse me if something is not understood.
Best regards

It works like this. But what YOU ask us to do is to make the same steps against breeders who didin't send us the database (because the puppies are born right now) and against breeders who didn't send us the data since 2-3 YEARS!!!

Don't you see the difference?

Sorry but what you ask us to do, what you fight for are the "parasites".
Many people work on Wolfdog.org, many breeders, owners and breed fanciers build this site. They scarify their free time, work. But as always there are also people exploiting their work. At the moment you are attacking the people trying to build this site and you are defending the "parasites"...

I love this site exactly because it is free. Not the MONEY but the WILL to serve this breed is all what Wolfdog.org ask from you. You do not pay in EUR but with free time you spent here. Thank to it you can meet here all great Wolfdog breeders.
If you want to support puppy farms, to make payed site for puppy producers who earn money by means of breeding Wolfdogs and they will be prepared to pay for everything - you can do this: make you own site about Wolfdogs!

Hello admin,
have you got my email with dates of my last litter? Do you know that "add dog" does not work well? Or was it some other mistake? Can you tell me what was bad? If "add dog" works bad, I will not use it next time.....
Maybe you had not dates of my last litter, but I don´t understand why you delete add what is on wolfdog page already........
Is it any punishment? Why?
Margo, thanks you added there my add (which was deleted later, unfortunatelly).
I think, uploading 1x monthly is not good, especially in autumn, when is almost every day mated a few females.......

War of the proceeds will be and the more, then begin to do less influence.
Leave, Trole, black sheep, Rolfow & co, parasites and thieves alone.

Let the Admin oblige itself to update the database by the end of November.
Let the breeder to 20 November will oblige to provide all the required data.
Let the Admin give the data to be sent.
Let him acknowledge receipt of such data.
Let no one in the database inserts the names of new owners.
If the owner will feel like it will complement these data alone.
Let a breeder and breeding will be complete.
You can check that the breeder does not complement the data.
Admin will complement advertising litters only for breeders that meet specific criteria.
The rest of the breeder, which does not transmit the basic data will not have advertising litters.
Basic data include: dog names, dates of birth, registration, parents.
This approach is probably satisfactory for all.

Sorry for mistakes.

As far as I know there is no rule forcing that web site such as wolfdog has to be build on only one database. Every part of page can be rendered using data from diferent sources. To know for sure how many databases use wolfdog - You have to check in source code. In other case You are just fantasizing.

No problem. So I have an idea for you: check the whole database - every card of the 12064 Wolfdogs posted there. Write down all missing information . Inform all 986 breeders. Collect the data. And the collected data send to me.
Maybe after it you will finally get what you are asking for... :rock_3

Good work!

See ya on 20. November... 8)

Please give me the appropriate permissions.
Unfortunately, I do not see all the data on the cards.
I am very happy I can help in completing the database, instead of wasting time quarreling.

I think these people will be more and we will do so as soon as possible.

You can see everything you need. All data which we collect are visible for you. You can start....

But unfortunately I do not see the registration numbers.
I can not begin. :(

So once again......
Hello admin,
have you got my email with dates of my last litter? Do you know that "add dog" does not work well? Or was it some other mistake? Can you tell me what was bad? If "add dog" works bad, I will not use it next time.....
Maybe you had not dates of my last litter, but I don´t understand why you delete add what is on wolfdog page already........
Is it any punishment? Why?
Margo, thanks you added there my add (which was deleted later, unfortunatelly).
I think, uploading 1x monthly is not good, especially in autumn, when is almost every day mated a few females.......

I have a question for Admin.
I am not a breeder (yet) and honestly have no personal problems with info update. I updated 1 or 2 results lately and they were done in time.
Are you Admin (whoever you are...) doing all alone?
Wouldn't it be useful for you to have somebody to help?
I mean, i would be more than happy to take over part of your updating/archiving/data entry work, even if you give me a limited authorisation of some kind.
If you don't have time to do it, I would help or try as much as I could.
I've been using Wolfdog.org since 2003 and although we've had ups and downs, I've always contributed with data and photos of dogs I met, not my dogs, not dogs of my "family" (as you unkindly once pointed out) but any dog I had data from.
And of course I would do it all for free. :)
I really hope you are not doing all the job alone.
massimo

Hi,

As I wrote I have sent my datas several times, not just in the last month. Moreover my datas always updated just if I send some cc to my well known friends. Do you think it is not strange?????
I have found a lot of kennels with a lot of missing datas and they are still in the breeders list.

We know it is a private page but would be fair to arange it more objective!!!!!!!

Edit

:lol::roflmao:lol::roflmao:lol: Admin vs wilczakrew 1-0 :thumbs

It is so funny I can se it infront of me... :bolt

Best regards / Mikael

Mikael, don't be happy too soon, wilczakrew is like Disney's Pluto dog... always gets up and is up to a mischief, even after having been flattened by a roller :twisted::lol:

So once again......3x already.....
Hello admin,
have you got my email with dates of my last litter? Do you know that "add dog" does not work well? Or was it some other mistake? Can you tell me what was bad? If "add dog" works bad, I will not use it next time.....
Maybe you had not dates of my last litter, but I don´t understand why you delete add what is on wolfdog page already........
Is it any punishment? Why? Maybe because I have World winner 2009????

I see was some ulpoading and there are some new adds. But my adds no. Am I so big competitor for you????
Can I know why there is not my add about litter:
Moki od Úhoště x Ostin Eden severu?
Wickey Crying wolf x Czambor z Vlčího dubu?
thanks for your answer.

It`s nice to see that I am not the only "black sheep" who feel a need to ask the same questions several times before getting an answer and using sarkasm when complaining about updates :lol:

...but still I`m the only one who get "ignorred" :roll:
To me this is VERY funny .....maybe it`s just me who have a bad sense of humor ? :ehmmm

Everybody can send info about dogs, litters, the results of shows ,exams a.s.o. to the same address as before: [email protected] :)

When you still have questions, you also can send a PM to: admin ;)

No no, Rolf, for me it is funny too. I must laugh every day when I see "our admin is dead" :lol:.
Mijke, I sent it already on this adress.......Have you got the same adress? So who opened my emailes on this adress?

Thanks to admin (or who?) for uploading of kennel od Úhoště to list of breeders, to uploading HD result of Unique od Úhoště and uploading to datas of my X litter.
And now only last question: My two adds ?

I only can say that everything that I asked for and did send in was updated quite fast.

Thank you
Ina

So I sent info about two litters to info@.......

You are lucky Ina .
I can only say what I sent I had to send several times and updated just when I send cc to somebody else. When I tried to update the datas by myself, it never appears on the database. And I have never got answer for my questions...............


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Hello admin, thanks.......

It is added for a moment but please send me finally the data which is still missing in the database - about owners of the 'V'-litter (2008), 'U'-litter (2008), 'S'-litter (2007), 'T'-litter (2007). If I will not get the missing info I will remove the litters again...

I get also complains about the owner of Czambor spamming the Polish forum with photos from the mating - could you also speak with him. Maybe you will be able to explain him the rules. If it was not your idea to advertise this litter on such way than sorry - I will clear it my way.

Sorry but you are looking for problems where they are none... The database is updated from time to time (you can find the time on the main page of the database). And it is the ONLY reason why the information is not update RIGHT AFTER your email. It doesn't matter WHO sends the info.

It was so since MANY YEARS. Enough time to get used to this...

Spamming on polish forum with fotos? I look where is it......
And I look what pups has not owners in database, OK.

Do you mean this foto in topic "Wojna na miny"?. Because I see my female only on this one foto (maybe are somewhere some older fotos....), on other fotos is (are) some second female (s) with Czambor.
But it is always the same problem: personal fight between Margo and Gzegorz. It is not my problem. I don´t care about them and about it. Autor of fotos is Grzegorz and I can´t tell him: "don´t send it there or there".....
I used my favorite male, because I like him and his blood. And some problem of his owner with some poland people?......It is not my problem.

Hanka, please do not write what is not true. It is NOT a personal problem. If it is one than between almost ALL Polish forum users and Grzegorz.... 8)
You are reading Polish forum so you can easy see I'm not the only one who is criticezed Grzesiek. Many people did it as he is really spamming Polish forum with photos which do not fit to the categories. Posting puppy photos to the cattegory "Adult dogs in love" or posting photos of botom of his do to the cattegory "Wolfdog facial expresion"....:evil: And photos of covering of Wickey to EVERY category he found... Some of them nor proper neither fitting to the categories...

So writing about "personal fight" is senseless...

Ok, so sorry, so not your and Grzegorz personal fight. Yes, I read polish forum and I read much attacks between you, Daiva, Rona, etc.etc and between Grzegorz. My feeling about it was "personal fight". If you mean it is not, so OK....

Oh please Hanka, you too???? I haven't spoken to Daiva for a couple of years now and have seen wilczakrew twice in my life. :)

If you read Polish forum you should have noticed that Grzegorz had recieved a warm welcome, and it took him quite a while of trolling and spamming, before - as it seems - some people realized he was destroying the site. Personally I don't mind seeing pictures of his dog in all topics - nice dogs, nice photos, though I often find his posts boring and arguments illogical and self-contradictory. :) I tried to talk with him on the forum a couple of times, but he is unable to understand simple questions or provide valid contrarguments in an honest discussion. :cry:

I always thought that forum was a place where people may present their opinions on various topics and it was natural that some members would share them (if they shared the same values, thought alike and had similar experiences) and some wouldn't. We may exchange arguments in attempt to convince the latter, try to provide proofs, etc. but sorry - blaming somebody for sharing opinions of Mr X or Mrs Y is a sign of weakness and lack of better arguments. 8) My answer to such 'kindergarden argument' is: "So what?"8)

Hi Rona, I wrote, it is my personal feeling from it. I don´t write: it is good what writes Grzegorz or somebody other.... I only see, it is always the same like on czech forum : club versus Mutara makers.......
And my first answer to admin was: I can´t stop spamming of Grzegorz on poland version, because it is not my problem and I don´t care about some poland fights....Not more.
Maybe it is not Margo´s or your PERSONAL fight, but I read it. In almost every topic is some "hard disscussion" . maybe it is better word......

Hi Hanka,
Let me explain: when I disagree with someone it doesn't mean I fight against him but just that I'm trying to explain my point of view, which is different from the interlocutor's. If you call this fighting - it's your problem, not mine.:) Neither do I call people names, nor use swear words, nor mock or threaten them... 8)

Besides, I don't care about Grzegorz, but I do for the wolfdog site. I feel that reasonable people and breed lovers should protect the unique and useful project like wolfdog from trolls, spammers and people who come, play the tune and accuse the admin, moderators and owners of not dancing to their tune.

PS And belive me, I'm not fighting with you now. I really like you, admire your dogs and share a lot of your views on CSVs which you have presented here :bussi

OK Rona, I have not problem with it.;-)

I have good news for you: because of permanent breaking of the forum rules wilczakrew colected so many points that he was automatically banned.

It is already more than a week since I asked for the information. Nothing was given. If you found time to send me advertising of your new litters several times why it is so hard to send me few owner names?

Sadly I must consider that some people are active when thay want something from Wolfdog. But if they should do something for this site it looks like this...

I removed you litters again and they will be posted FIRST after I will get all missing information.

Dear admin, I sent all dates of my pups which had not dates on WD by add dog- owner ,maybe last week. X pups I sent you in email. I see always are not there these dates. I wait it too, when the dates will be there......
I asked you (or somebody who works with program) if you know, this "add dog" does not work. I thought somebody repaired it and now it is OK. So, it does not work always. Or maybe only from my account?
So in this moment I see there are not dates of my pups: Snoopy, Tame wolf, Tricky wolf, Uta and Vinja. I send it to you by email evening.
You can let my add deleted, I have not problem with it already, because all my pups are reserved already.

I try now to send some dates of Vinja over "add dog- owner" and we can see what there will be. but it is only experiment now, i will write xxxxxx

Hello Hanka

I think you misunderstand what Admin is asking for…

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missing in the database - about owners of the 'V'-litter (2008 , 'U'-litter (2008 , 'S'-litter (2007), 'T'-litter (2007).

Example, V litter 2008 : Vinja od Úho¹tì Owner: data not available

He only wonts the data of the new (puppy) owners (Majitel) = name, address and country. (kennel)

I think if you do not send this info, you can (will) not be on the Breeder List any more :(

If you wont to be sure, send the data in a e-mail to Admin not Add dog ;)

Very best regards / Mikael

And I heard that official excuse was 'littering of gallery' and this littering was posting photos of Kasdeya. Those photos were not politcally correct?

And can you make points openly visible with a reasons why added? For me it would make things much clearer and show that banning is reasonable and not just getting rid of unconfortable enemies.

And to others: dont you see it? All wars are starting when margo is planning another litter. Poland know is full of puppies and thankfully csv are not so popular so market must be cleared and every one must know who is boss and from who you should buy csv.

And finally about closed topics:
1. achievements of others are still biting you hard margo.
2. and are we breding wolfs or csv? because for me comparition between wolf and csv are plainly stupid. csv has his minimum height so what is the point (beside defending own small dogs) of this idiocy?

All I can realize is that you has not been properly informed.
wilczakrew was banned by me - he collected enough points to be banned first after my 3rd warning. After sending his 2 messages I still had no answer - or only one: another photos flood in the gallery.

The reason for ban was addind always the same photos - not only Kasdeya from Margo but also Kali Radov dvor and Ilmarinen Girios dvasia which have different owners than Margo as I can see inthe database. The "difference" was only the advertisment put on the photos. First whey were without any, later with his name and in the end huge advertising of his web page. So his spamming gallery with photos (always the same) and not paying attention to my messages were realized as spamming with unwanted advertising.

I'm not (and english forum users for sure also not) interested in your own personal wars. If you have problem with Margo or any Polish user please go to the polish forum and start there a topic because I will not allow you any muckraking here.

It has been said too much here and basing on the type of gutter language your are using I see I made it in the right time.

EOT from me - and do not even try to get me involved in this.

If I would know that you belong to other party I would write 'Anita, welcome back!' :lol: The same style of writing and the same style of carrying on... Only much lower quality arguments.... ;)
If you want talk with me - post the same questions in the right category on polish forum - give other people the chance to express themself.
If you want to speak with people here about the "idiotic" comparition of Wolfdogs and Wolves - start new topic.
Because posting both question here is senseless...

Thank you for explanations on ban of Grzegorz.
But according to margo words you can put address of your website or name on pics. What is forbidden are writings like 'new litter of xxx kennel'. You didn't knew this? Maybe you can show how 'huge' were this so called 'adverts'.

Not personal war, because I dont give 2 cents about her opinions, but it makes me sick reading on every forum how margo supported by her loyal crowd is greatest and all others are to stupid to grasp her greatness. And in those locked topics where involved lots of other people - not me.

Huh, how harsh. It doesn't look that I'm the only one who has 'problem'. If you can call problem strong disagree about how csv community should look.

And also - are you the one moving pictures between galleries? Removing from dog gallery where user uploaded it and putting it in different gallery? Where else admins are looking and changing things?

Hah, one word 'idiocy' makes gutter language? No sh## :-D I'm harsh, but who said that all has be kisses and roses?

It seems you didn't get me right. All I want to say you: if Polish people have problems with each other they should disscus it on their own forum. Only if the topic is of international matter it could land of this version.

I can do the same things as moderators do. Additionally I can administrate the gallery and forum.

I see the problem is the international communication - I understood this word as "moron" and not "stupidity". My fault.

Private message from admin :

Dear rolf,

You have received an infraction at Wolfdog.org forum.

Reason: Inappropriate Language
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Quote:
Finally the 7th. dwarf showed up ...now we are only missing snow white
Quote end.

Next time use more proper language when you speak with other forum users. If not I will rise the number of given points.
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This infraction is worth 2 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.

All the best,
Wolfdog.org forum

This must be a joke :lol:
Of all my posts you have choosen the most innocent one ???

What a great generosity and magnanimity you show by posting a lot of crap and lies about my dog and then close the thread, so I have no chance to respond. ...this reminds me of behaviour of small children and really don`t suit an adult admin at any kind of forum !

Just a few facts :
Everybody who have seen Uno walking/running can comfirm that he definitly don`t have an atypical movement ...Uno have the 2th. and 3th. best time ever in SVP1 & 2 and it was made in the worst weather ever recorded in the history of SVP(I was told by some Slovakians).
Workability/trainability of Uno ? how many exams do your dogs have ? Uno have quite a few and more will come 8)

:lol: :lol: :lol: I do not wont to start a new fight, but I hope ALL people that was fighting and using much more bad words than this also gets a warning and not just Rolf ;) As I think they ALL deserves at least one :nono No No from Admin... :lol:

Very best regards / Mikael

Theoretically you are right - for a while I was even thinking about that. But I banned one: Anita - for using two accounts; put on moderated Ori - for repeated commercials and rolf.
There were many angry words. But the others were arguing. Rold was only insulting people in this topic.

I really don't think it's appropriate to continue exhausting and USELESS discussions on this thread too...considering the others have been closed....
P-L-E-A-S-E!!:bigcry2
We have a really nice tool here but it is being used in the worst ways...
Admin, I would have given minus marks also to M&Ms!! (..are you allowed to...ehm...give negative marks to the "boss"??:p:p)
90% of the discussion/fight could have been done in private and we really wouldn't have lost anything!

Sorry Massimo, but I have no other place to respond to these lies since admin closed the thread just after Margo and Nebulosa had a go at me.

Funny how none of your friends got any remarks :roll:

It`s nice that you can make up excuses for not punishing your friends ....truely objective :roll:

My reply disappered ...but now it`s here again ?