Workingclass Certificat
 

Hi, we are about to change rules for workingclasscertificat/working champion for CSW in Denmark and I want to know what exams in Czech rep. and Slovakia is needed for obtaining the workingclasscertificat in countries of origin ?

I know SVP1 is enough and ofcourse IPO1, but what else(in Denmark you will need IPO1 for now) ?

ZPU1 ?

and what exams is enough to get title working champion ?

I know 3 x CACT is enough in Slovakia, but CACT is only awarded in competitions/trials(in Denmark you will need IPO3 for now) ?

I hope someone will be kind to help me with this, so we can have similar rules in Denmark as in Czech rep. and Slovakia !

Greetings Rolf

Maby you can ask the clubs as nobody answers here...

Slovakian official CsV club info@csv._sk or sashia@wolfdog._org
Leader of czech CsV club karel.skoupy@volny._cz

But you must take away the _ for them to work = forum spam filter

Regards / Mikael

Thanks Mikael ...I already did write to both of them, in same time as I made this post ;-)

Greetings Rolf

Then it is a competition... Ho has the fastest club members :lol:
Or is an unofficial forum faster ???

Regads / Mikael

Well I asked both clubs, because they might have different rules ?
and I wrote the topic here because I thought maybe someone here already did know the rules of both clubs ? :rock_3

Greetings Rolf

Oooo yes I understand ;-)

I just think it will be fun to se ho will answer you fastest :lol:

Best regards / Mikael

I got already answer from Karel Skoupy yesterday, but there is no hurry ;-) ...and he will have to check it out for me before giving a complete answer :)

Greetings Rolf

As far as I know in CZ and SK only exams similar to IPO are recognized for working certificate and SVP of course. It means: IPO-V, IPO1 and higher, SchH1 and ZVV1 for Czech Rep (and SVV1 for Slovakia) and SVP1 (not ZVP1). ZPU1 was insufficient last time I checked.

Thanks for your answer Przemek :)
I just thought that I remembered some thread about rules(but I can`t find it now) was made more easy for CSW, but maybe I mix it up with rules for Czech champion or is working certificat also needed for this title ?

Greetings Rolf

I got now (almost) complete answer for workingcertificat in Slovakia thanks to Sasha :)

http://www.skj.sk/english/slk_champ.html

Passing of the following tests/trials entitles the working dog to be entered in the working class at national, all-state, special and club shows in Slovakia:

a) National trial regulations: ZM, SVV 1 to 3, SPO, SPS, SPZ 1 and 2, SLP 1 and 2, PZ 1 to 3
b) international trial regulations: IPO 1 to 3, SchHA, SchH 1 to 3, FH 1 and 2, RH-F A and B, RH-FL A and B, RH-T A and B, RH-L A, RH-W A-B-C-D.

...But I see SVP 1 to 3 is missing from the list ?

Greetings Rolf

Poor Rolf, nobody answer you.....:cry:
here is answer from Czech. The dog must have some this exam:
a) dle národního zkušebního řádu ČR (ČKS a MSKS)
- ZVV 1 – každý ze tří oddílů zkoušky musí být hodnocen minimálně 70 body
- SchH – každý ze tří oddílů zkoušky musí být hodnocen minimálně 70 body
b) dle zkušebního řádu ovladatelnosti a pracovní upotřebitelnosti psů (KJ Brno) ZPÚ 2 – každý ze tří oddílů zkoušky musí být hodnocen minimálně 70 body
c) dle mezinárodního zkušebního řádu FCI pracovní kynologie (ČKS a MSKS)
- IPO 1 – každý ze tří oddílů zkoušky musí být hodnocen minimálně 70 body
- IPO FH – každý ze dvou oddílů zkoušky musí být hodnocen minimálně 70 body
d) dle mezinárodního zkušebního řádu IRO pro záchranné psy (SZBK ČR)
RH-F A, RH-FL A, RH-T A, RH-L A, RH-W A
- každý ze tří oddílů zkoušky musí být hodnocen minimálně 70% bodů
e) dle řádu zkoušek a soutěží v ovládání ovčáckých psů (KJ Brno)
- ZPOP 1 – dosažením nejméně 61 bodů této jednooddílové zkoušky

Hi Hanka,

Thanks for your reply :)
I already got some answers as you can see above ;-)
...But I did not get complete answer about Czech regulations form Mr. Skoupy yet.

These rules are for workingcertificat right ?

Do you have any idea of which exams are similar, I know ZVV and SVV are the same, but the rest I don`t know ?

I guess SVP 1 to 3 also is missing from your list ?

I have this book of Czech exams called "zkušební řád" from ČMKU, but I can not find the exam called ZPOP1 ? Can somebody please explain what is this exam ? ...maybe it is for shepherd dogs, but I am not sure ?

Greetings Rolf

In Czech must be wolfdogs working dogs, not runing dogs. every shy wolfdog can run 40km :o))
ZVV and SVV is the same

So if a person from Czech rep. complete SVP1(not ZVP1) in Slovakia with his/her dog and get the application for workingcertificat, ČMKU will not approve it ? :shock:

Greetings Rolf

For example: I will go to Slovakia for SVP. My female has muuuch titles in Slovakia, Germany, Czech. It menas she can be champion of Slovakia, Germany, but not czech champion. For czech champion she must have some WORKING exam from this list

I forgot: ZPOP is exam for dogs what handled sheeps. Really good work for our breed :wolf:wolf:wolf

I think maybe you don`t understand ?
When completing SVP1 in Slovakia it is possible to get workingcertificat(from FCI), which means the dog can compete in workingclass in all countries, will ČMKU not recognize a workingcertificat from FCI as valid for Czech champion ?

Greetings Rolf

Thanks :)

Greetings Rolf

hmmm, I thought I ansewred. Maybe somebody with better english can explain it more...
No, ČMKU will not recognized workingcertificate from other states for Czech champion. If you mean something another, write me email :o)

You did answer :), I was just not sure that I understood right, because I thought a workingcertificat was international and should be recognized in all FCI countries ...but I guess that I was wrong !!!

Greetings Rolf

As far as I know, the rules for getting a national champion title (e.g. Czech champion, German champion, Swiss champion) can be different in the countries, because it is up to the kennel club of the country to decide, what is needed for champion titel. In Germany e.g. you don't need any working certificate at all to get German Champion title.

Petra

I fully agree and understand, in Denmark some breeds need a workingcertificat and other breeds don`t need it, but if a dog need a workingcertificat to be national champion(of any country) all workingcertificat`s should be accepted by the country, because it is not the country themselves who gives this certificat`s, but FCI, which makes it international and a dog who have obtained a workingcertificat, can be showed in workingclass in all countries who cooperate with FCI :rock_3

I have just read the regulations for Czech champion again and it says nothing about specific exams, but only that the dog must be eligible for entering the workingclass, so a FCI workingcertificat should be sufficient for a dog to obtain the title "Czech beauty champion" ;-)

"Awarding of the Czech Champion title is subject to the following conditions:
1) a) in breeds subject to working trials to be eligible for the International Champion title: successful passing of a trial that makes the dog elegible for entering the working class, and obtaining two CACs, of which at least one must have been obtained at an international dog show. The second CAC can have been obtained at one of the following shows: national, special or club show. The certificate required for working class must be furnished as a proof of passing of the trial. Breeders Clubs are entitled to increase the number of CACs required for the awarding of Czech Champion title. The request must be submitted in writing and approved by P ÈMKU (General Committee of the Czech Canine Union)."

Working champion is different ofcourse...
When reading the rules for Czech working champion, it only say how many CACT the dog must have, not in which exams CACT can be awarded(for example in Denmark can a only dog who have obtained IPO3 be Danish working champion) ....this is my original question ! As I am sure a dog can be Czech beauty champion by obtaining a workingcertificat(does not matter from which exam or country) as the regulations clearly says...

Now when thinking of it, maybe I misunderstod Hanka ?

Hanka : the list of exams you wrote are they for obtaining workingcertificat or for Czech working champion ?

Greetings Rolf

NO.. Maybe the theory is like this :rock_3 but I know dogs which get Czech Champion titles last time but have ONLY SVP1 or even NONE of the certificates recognized as "working certificates" for CzW... 8)

Now I am confused :shock:
How can a dog get the title Czech champion without a workingcertificat ?

Greetings Rolf

There is even more... :rock_3 For interchampion title CzW needs a working certificate. It is also a theory because I know at last three dogs which get it but did not passed even the BASIC obedience test... 8)

How did they do it ? :shock:

Greetings Rolf

No idea... :) I just get more interesting information... there are some countries which have 'contract' with CMKU and dogs can be Czech Champion already when the get ONE CAC... :lol:

This is very interesting !
We have something almost similary in the Nordic countries.
If a dog already is champion in one of the nordic countries, then it will only need 1 x CAC from another nordic country to be champion of this country too.

Greetings Rolf

Yes, but you do not have your own very strong regulations for the Champion title...
On one side CMKU requires working exams and do not recognize even the SVP1 which is the FCI recognized exam for CzW but on the other side gives "Czech Champion" title for only one CAC... It is a little bit schizophrenic for me... :rock_3

No we don`t have strong regulations for CSW to be danish champions, but other breeds like GSD must have working exam(IPO1 or BHP1) to get this title and still they will only need 1 x CAC in another nordic country to be champion of that country too... but only if they already are Danish champions(and ofcourse it is the same the other way around).

I agree that it sounds VERY strange, that ČMKU will not recognize a FCI workingcertificat for the title Czech champion, but what is even more strange in this question, regulations for obtaining the title Czech champion say nothing about specific exams, only that the dog must have a workingcertificat.

Regulations for Czech champion :
http://www.cmku.cz/index2.php?stranka=rady_a_predpisy

Greetings Rolf

Hi Margo, if you know a few dogs what are Czech chmpion without exam, write me (maybe private email) names, I ask about it. Because I think, it is not possible.

I finaly found the thread about Czech champion, I was looking for :)
...and according to this translation from Czech club meeting, a working certificat from SVP1 is sufficient to get title Czech champion 8)

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=8683

So to clear all misunderstandings, I have written an email to ČMKU and are waiting for an answer, which I will post in this thread.

Greetings Rolf

So Iam very courious what they will answer you :rock_3. Inform me,please......

hm, if I have this question I call to me kennel society and quest who dogs have this titel.If this be problematic make in CZ and dogs name mas Margo search?:rock_3

But I have not question for ČMKU. I only write Margo, I can ask how it is possible, if she had seen it somewhere. Maybe theese dogs have exam??? But if I don´t know who is it I can´t speak (write) about it in this moment.

I got answer from ČMKU today :

Hallo,

Obtaining of teh Czech Championship certificate

Send by airmail to the office:
-copy pedigree
-original of the cards certifying obtaining the CAC
-the CAC must have been awarded by at lest two different judges
-the CAC must have been obtained in at least two show seasons
-15 euro

Breeds subjekt to working trials:
-2x CAC (at least one obtained at an international show)
-a copy of the certificate of a required working trial

Lenka Fairaislová
CMKU
Jankovcova 53/C
170 00 Praha 7



-----Original Message-----
From: Rolf Larsen [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2009 9:42 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Czech champion

Hello Lenka Fairaislova,



I have a question about the titel "Czech champion".



If my Czechoslovakian wolfdog have a FCI workingcertificat from passing

SVP1 in Slovakia and 2 x CAC(1 from club dogshow and 1 from

international dogshow in both Czech rep.), will he be awarded the

titel "Czech champion" ?



Regards Rolf Larsen

So I guess SVP1 is sufficient for obtaining the title Czech champion :)

Greetings Rolf

Hanka, sory but me very like this joke :) Margo not be CMKU and she not thake CZ CH. see : You wish have LT CH and quest me why this dog have with 1 winner titel LT CH but others mas have 4 CAC, I say - quest me LKD she thake oficial dyplomas not I :)

If I understan right ? CONGRATULATION to Uno and you Rolf :cool3

Best regards / Mikael

Uno have 2 x CAC from Czech rep. and workingclass certificat, but both CAC is from same year, so Uno will need one more CAC to be Czech champion ;-) ...but thanks anyway :)

Greetings Rolf

I thought, Margo think about czech dog. Now I see- no :o)

I know this is an old thread, but finally I can confirm for sure, that ONLY SVP1 (and ofcourse the required CAC`s) is needed for the title Czech Champion.
...Uno got his final CAC 7.11.2009 in Prag and 10.11.2009 CMKU confirmed that Uno is now officially Czech Champion :rock_3

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/6...chchampion.jpg

Thanks for the info and congratulation again :beerchug2
Best regards / M

Thanks Mikael :)

Hello Rolf, big congratulation ;-) from me.
But this what you wrote is only for foreign dogs. Not for czech dogs.
Hanka

Thanks a lot Hanka :)

But actually the person in the CMKU office thought Uno was Czech and I payed only the fee(120czk) for a Czech dog, not the fee for a foreigner :lol:

I mean conditions for this certificate, not paying :shiny

I know you did ;-) ...I just could`nt help showing off a little :lol: