It is already the most well-known lie. 8) The breeders know the dogs have fake pedigrees. The judges know that the dogs are not pure. The clubs know it. The owners know it too.

Now we wait for the official proceedings in this case.

I am going to answer you their place Margo, it is the mix of bloods Flash Crying wolf and Yvanka de New Flame who gives this type of CSW :lol: :lol:

It is the explanation that I had :roll: :lol:

me too ......

REALLY! :roflmao Only Frank, who do not have the brightest idea about the CsW lines can say something like this.... :D He is really thinking that all people have no knowledge about this breed. It is a pity that in France there are still young people who never saw the dogs and therefore they believe on everything what Frank is saying.

Yvanka de New Flame is 100% Czech dog. Additionally she brings the heavy type of Colt Zeper (with short legs). The children of Yvanka should look like this:
http://dl.wolfdog.org/pics/dbase/Ysf..._New_Flame.jpg

'Light version' would be like this:
http://dl.wolfdog.org/pics2/2004/12/25115.jpg
http://dl.wolfdog.org/pics2/2009/1/1...38-5358210.jpg

And Flash and the whole F-litter was pretty short legged and in many cases very overangulated (they have pretty special type of body).

It is enough to look on the dogs of breeders who use pure Crying Wolf 'lines' - they all have pretty many problems with overagnulated and short legs. And with Czech blood you will not make it better. On the contrary.

No - with the pedigree of Demoniak you will never get wolfish dogs who has so long legs. :rock_3 Only children believe in fairy tales. If you breed two chickens you will never get a swan. ;-)
Last but no least: by Crying wolf you have NEVER black dogs. By Chech lines of Yvanka you will get darker brown-red colour but NEVER the colour of Fragön and Fantastik Wolweryne. Frank, maybe they get this colour from the (black?) poodle which you mentioned?

hanninadina, have you been on meeting in Pozna this year?

Yes Margo, really, it is the explanation that we gave me even recently, seen the big expert of the race whom we have in France, I indeed wonder why the race is not patronized by the France :lol: :lol: :lol:

No, WE don´t have.

Frank, you told us your father is a breeder of siberian huskies since 1970 (http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/newrepl...wreply&p=76539 ), and most of your dogs are officially bred by your father.

You yourself love dogs from PDL, CW and de Louba tar (or should I say Sun gifu - grin).

So much facilities, Frank .... loooooooooool

And ... attack is not always the best defense :mrgreen:

Cheers
Angelika

Margo and Daiva, it was three years ago or something, it was Geriyon, Miguel knew this dog very well because he was in contact with Davia during that time. He showed me the dog.

So I am very sorry, in the end, the discussion is in the end there, where it was every time it is discussed. I do not know why no vet and a official from french csw club goes to Sophie and take some gene material and make a gene test?

Although Doz and Demoinak look almost like siblings, I noticed of course that the off spring of Demoniak has big ears - ears like Saarloos! And from temperament he is more like Saarloos and not csw. So I think, I stay with my opinion that he is a son of Skog! Jos, only wanted to make some trouble and was jealous because the american wolfdogforum people wrote that I seem to have more knowledge about some dogs. That is why he hit out his statement, that HE knows better who the father of Demoniak is.

And because of the big ears, Margo, I can not believe that there is american wolfdog in him.

By the way, can you copy the pictures from 2005, which you did linked in the wayback machine archive? Because I can not open it, but I would really like to watch the pictures of the wolves or american wolfdogs, which where shown when Franky announced his first or second litter from Merlin and Ossa Crying Wolf. You can download it and post it here. Would be great and would rather leads to more understanding that Franky is a liar.

Thanks
Christian

:shock:
Just as a little reminder:

It was you that started the discussion here. :rock_3
You want to leave it without an excuse to Jos and a new little kick to the direction of Margo and Daiva :shock:

Do you really think people here have such short memories? Or have you already forgotten yourself?

Ina

Then he made mistake... :) Geryon was never shy. On the contrary :rock_3 He was and is a MACHO. For some people too big macho.... 8)

The only dog from this litter which can be described as "not self-confident" is Glasya. But it seem to be caused by missing socialization and the conditions where she is living (a pack of dogs).

The rest of the litter was possible to see in Pozna. Still If you visit us you will have the possiblity to see Garuda, Gibil, Gwaihir and maybe even Geryon (Gothmog is living in Denmark - but his character is simply PERFERCT :) ). You will have the possiblity to convince yourself that you never can describe those animals as "shy".

Why are these links dead now?
I wanted to see pictures of these black(?) pups from Demoniak..?

proper links:
http://www.wolfdog.org/site/dbase/d/13035
http://www.wolfdog.org/site/dbase/d/13036

Thanks Jefta.

I thought that they were really black. Of course I am familiar with these particular wolfdogs allready. I thought there was some others too, that were actually black like the black phase wolves / American wolfdogs.

this very dark color is not the monopoly of the "la louve blanche".there are other

http://www.wolfdog.org/site/fr/dbase/d/8086

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7...lvetzmolus.jpg

I read only now ...
Margo, Furya and Frangon aren't children of Diamond! It 'a database error!

You took a picture of Gunner ok .. but you've chosen the worst!:evil:
Now much has changed ...

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/723/kar9439.jpg
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3126/kar8753.jpg
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/857...4334441455.jpg

I do not understand where you see the Saarloosm or American wd!!!

Good day to you all ...;-)

Ah.. it's true, my dog is shy.. and? Where is the problem?
Many dogs are shy, in Italy there are many ... I do not understand where the problem!

On first foto in head expression :?

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/8...isaarloos1.jpg

.....it is true .... are just equal! :shock:

I am new to the breed,but even I see saarloos in that picture too.... And 'what's the problem with shy dogs'? It is not typical or desirable in the csv's standard! So shy dogs shouldn't be bred from :?

Of Course! It is not desirable to have shy dogs! But today we find many more shy dogs rather than brave unfortunately!
The breed was created by crossing a Wolf and a German Shepherd ... Consequently, at the beginning we couldn't expect brave dogs! We change the nature over the years and we're still doing ... But I repeat, there are now many more shy dogs!
Maybe in the future they will all be brave!

Sorry, but this is simply not true.