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Chett Maly Bysterec is N/N, whit test
Obra Arimminum is N/N, from eligo and ambra all two N/N so all the litter L and N from kennel Lupi del Montale are N/N bye www.lupidelmontale.it |
I think it would be correct to post results of parents/offspring based on the knowledge of test results of offspring/parents only if parentage tests were performed and positive. Otherwise it is always only assumption and can be easily misused (like the fake pedigrees). Or, in case of widely-used studs (dams) it may be posted, but separately, and saying clearly that these are not results of DNA tests, only assumption.
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Below is the policy for the OFFA on genetics. Please note, it is ok to list a first generation dog as "clear by parentage" (marked with "CBP" in official results) if both parents have been tested. OFFA will only give this to first generation dogs, recognizing that our science is still limited and mutations are possible. They require testing for the next generations.
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if someone wont to do some assumption of berseker z peronowki:
jolly z molu es :N/N mum botis z peronowki :N/N brother ezar del montale : N/N son bye www.lupidelmontale.it |
You cannot say dog is N/N from these. You cannot even say for sure dog is N/N if all his offspring after N/DM (or N/N) mother is N/N. You can assume a dog is N/N only if both his parents are certified N/N. The same goes for DM/DM.
You can assume with good certainty that dog is N/DM from the offspring, if you have all kinds of offspring (both N/N or DM/DM), or if you have N/DM dogs from N/N or DM/DM mothers. So to know the results of your dog it is easier to have it tested, rather than test a lot of it's offspring. Although the genes behave statistically (meaning from N/N x N/DM crossing you should have 50% N/N and 50% N/DM offspring), you cannot say for sure that father (or mother) is N/N, if it produces only N/N puppies, as you are not sure you have tested all it's offspring (not all pups are tested, and maybe some pups died in utero). If after 10 years of producing N/N pups one of the offspring is N/DM, it can invalidate your previous assumptions. Of course this situation is very very improbable, but still not impossible. The more offspring tested you have, the more sure you are, but you can never be 100% sure. |
In accordance with the regulations of international accreditation , the CCLC (Italian Club), accepts only the results of each dog, provided by an accredited laboratory. The results of the research institutions, are considered for statistical data and not for the certification of individual dogs (according to international regulations). This is because research institutions are not required to answer about errors on a law context, while the laboratories are obligated to respond on the certificate they issue.
We don't accept result deducted by others test result (even if both parents are n/n). To provide certification in breeding must have all dogs with results issued by accredited laboratory... The rest are in an official and legal way, only words! |
Chien : Doxanne du domaine de la combe noire (2008 )
Père : Akaycash Tatra N/N Mère : Backal du domaine de la combe noire N/N Résultat Test MD : N/N |
Chien : Cosmo de Mallaucry (2007)
Père : Aron Passo del lupo ?? Mère : Telma Passo del lupo ?? Résultat Test MD : DM/DM |
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Junior Member Date d'inscription: mars 2006 Messages: 34 http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/images/icons/icon1.gif Les résultats des tests des CLT Combe noire: LES FILLES ASTRA Z KOPACKOVA DVORA CZ N/MD CORA SPOD DIUMBIERA N/MD ALMONA DE LA MOULINIERE DE LO'SCALE dite "ALPHA" N/MD CHILI DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE N/MD ERIA DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE N/MD (père extérieur a l’élevage) CHEYENNE N/N BACKALDU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE N/N DAMASKA DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE N/N ELFENDU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE N/N CORAIL DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE N/N LES GARCONS ECKLAN DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE N/MD (père extérieur a l’élevage) AKAY CASH TATRA N/N VAICKO PASSO DEL LUPO N/N YENCO DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE N/N DRYAK DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE N/N EVER FOREVER DU DOMAINE DE LA COMBE NOIRE N/N mes résultats ont aussi été envoyé par mail a qui de droit ce serait bien que tout les éleveurs le fassent, également pour les chiens qui saillissent a l’extérieur |
Bis Didi Paraj Auta : N/DM
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En ce qui concerne nos chiens :
Ar'wan MLS : N/DM Ckaa'loup-bah MLS : N/DM Les derniers chiots (Ckaa'loup-bah MLS X Voice of Wolf z molu es) Gader'el ZOO : DM/DM Gwydion ZOO : N/DM Gwenn teir Brown ZOO : N/DM Gwenddid ZOO (dite Apache) : N/DM Gaia ZOO : N/DM Girija ZOO (dite Galys) : N/DM Ganesh ZOO (chiot dcd 10 semaines) : N/N Gerd ZOO (dite Galka) : N/N |
Cheitan z Peronówki N/N
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Wintermoon z Lasów Preczowskich - N/N
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Also Waidila and Widmo Girios dvasia are N/N :)
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next Girios dvasia results:
Kerri Girios dvasia N/N Kaukas Girios dvasia N/N Biesas Girios dvasia N/N Lupian Urzo Girios dvasia DM/N |
fia braterstwo wilczakow - n/n :)
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Kimaris Kay z Peronowki n/DM
Aisha Al-hamra de la Manada de Tuky n/n and waiting for the rest of his brothers, :) I'm very happy |
We want to breed again this year but with Shadow being N/DM, need to know the male is N/N. So many stud dog owners seem to still be burying their head in the sand and not getting tested (and not doing so if requested!) - to quote one owner "Of the DM test, I think myself not too much, because I look him in the breed population as inconclusive" - and his rates weren't cheap either, the test costs less than he quotes per puppy!! :evil:
We are limited in the distance we can travel due to other responsibilities at home and need to also take into consideration the COI of any potential pairing so are getting rather frustrated... Maybe it would be an idea to have an addition in the stud dog listings to say that the test has been done (show the results only if wanted), that way it would save a lot of time and effort for owners of females who are concientious enough to want their puppies healthy. If stud dog owners continue to refuse to carry out the test, this disease is only going to proliferate and the outcome for the breed is not good. Sorry for the rant but I think breeding dog owners need to wake up to the consequences of what they are (or are not) doing... |
How can in one litter be a dog with DM/DM and N/N like Sherdor posted from the same parents?
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...&postcount=311 Please watch the first Garderel and the last dogs Gerd. Christian |
If two N/DM dogs breed, they can have puppies of N/N, N/DM and DM/DM (a 25% chance of N/N and DM/DM and 50% of N/DM). He already stated that one parent (Ckaa'loup-bah MLS) is N/DM, so the results show that it is very likely that the other (Voice of Wolf z molu es) also is. The good bit of news from this litter is that only one of the pups is affected (DM/DM), but it could have been more...
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The responsibility for the litter is a breeder and owner of the breeding male. However, we can not DM the disease gene to reduce the population. We often forget what they are doing and go to extremes. I have a DM sick dog and I know what it is like to live with it but I did not panic with it.
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Thanks Satu, but your boy was born before it was widely known about the disease. Now the disease is known about, I cannot, in my conscience, breed with an N/DM male knowing that some of the pups have a risk of being affected. I also know that it is possible to alleviate the symptoms if it is known about early enough and that it is not the 'end of the world' to have an affected dog, but for stud dog owners to charge lots of money but not do simple, relatively inexpensive tests for the health of the breed, to me, is nothing short of scandalous.
I will perservere and will find a suitable male. If not, we won't breed this year and wait to find a mate for next year. Just because she is a carrier doesn't mean we won't breed, just that we need to be a little more careful. Good matched males still exist out there ;-) |
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We "were" lucky... but, Garderel was the puppy i would like to keep as male from this litter... unfortunately, DM tests results decided for us... The owner has received a strong information about (Lillya also knew everything well because she helped us each 2 afternoons in pups socialization). Gader'el was the stronggest and best health puppy from the litter... |
:oops: Satu, I just reread what I had posted and think it sounded a bit nasty - I wasn't meaning to be sarcastic or anything, I was genuinely thanking you for pointing out that we have to be careful not to allow this disease gene to narrow the gene pool and affect the future of our beloved breed. Sorry if it came across badly (and I have no excuse as English is my mother tongue!! :p )
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BLUE JEAN Du domaine de la combe noire : N/DM
Père: VAICKO PDL N/N Mère: CORA SPOD DIUMBIERA N/DM DINOOKA Du Domaine de la combe noire: N/N Père: AKAYCASH TATRA N/N Mère: BAKAL Du domaine de la combe noire N/N |
Dog : Eywa du Domaine de la Combe Noire (2009)
Father : Volos Crying Wolf ? Mother : Backal du Domaine de la Combe Noire N/N DM testresults : N/DM |
Elichka du clos des guerriers : N/N
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Je tiens à me montrer le plus transparente possible en ce qui concerne ma chienne Bis Didi et les incohérences des résultats MD (parents N/N et Didi N/DM)
J'ai donc relancé par mail le laboratoire laboklin pour avoir des explications, voici ce qui m'a été répondu : "Bonjour Mme ----, J'allais vous écrire aujourdh'hui. Aucun élément nouveau à ce dossier, du côté du laboratoire italien Vetlabor qui m'avais écrit qu'il ferait des recherches, c'est silence radio depuis ...le 8 juillet ! Je ne peux donc pas me prononcer donc pas sur l'authenticité de ces 2 résultats émis par un autre laboratoire ; c'est à ce laboratoire de le faire. Je vous confirme à nouveau, qu'à notre connaissance, nous n'avons pas réalisé pour Vetlabor les 2 analyses DM en question de COSMO et de DHEERSYB. Je comprends le "désagrément" causé, notamment par les frais ultérieurs engagés par vous et Mme -------, mais vous comprenez également que je ne peux m'exprimer qu'au nom de LABOKLIN ,c'est-à-dire au sujet des analyses que nous avons effectivement réalisées (test DM de BIS DIDI,résultat n° 1105S50161). Pour notre part, l'affaire est à ce jour classée. En tout état de cause, la solution de cette énigme doit se trouver en Italie .... Merci de votre compréhension. NB: Copie de ce mél à Mme ----- Mit freundlichen Grüssen / Salutations cordiales " Pour résumer, laboklin a demandé à Vetlabor de faire une enquête et depuis plus rien. Vetlabor prétend travailler avec Laboklin mais ces derniers n'ont aucune trace de ces dossiers. De plus, sur leurs comptes-rendu il n'y a aucun numéro de dossier ni de prélèvement, ce qui avait alerter Laboklin. Aujourd'hui je ne porterais plus aucun crédit à Vetlabor et à leurs résultats. J'invite toute personne voulant tester son chien pour la MD à s'adresser à Laboklin uniquement. Si j'avais un chien testé chez Vetlabor je referais le test chez Laboklin. J'ai été trompée par le laboratoire Vetlabor qui a assuré que les 2 parents de ma chienne étaient N/N (test ADN de parenté fait chez antagène). Pourquoi garder le silence s'ils étaient honnêtes ? Désolée de m'exprimer en français, je n'ai pas de traducteur... |
Even Spettro Lup di Lu: N/N
Father: Glock Arian Passo del Lupo: N/N Mother: Rihanana of Syria Arimminum: N/N I am very Happy!! Mijke: where can I send the official result? I have already sent the PDF to the database but I don't know if it has arrived :D |
i know my dogs result wont mean anything to most of you,but i wanted to post it anyway.
wolfzone Tupac- N/DM edited to add....thankyou daniela :) |
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as said,i am not by any means the first to of had their dog tested....but i do wish the results would be shared. |
with the consent of the owners:
ABSYNTWilk z baśni - N/N ARNIKA Wilk z baśni - N/N |
Today I´ve got the result of test of my Cwd. from Laboklin:
Zeus Lupus Ibericus: - N / N Best greetings to everyone here ! Uli alias Silvester from Germany :) |
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Ashanti N/N
Dream Olim Palus N/N so all the litter "I Olim Palus" (Nouau Arimminum and Dream Olim Palus) are N/N ; and all the Litter "J Olim Palus" (Carr Maly Bysterec and Ashanti) are N/N. |
Hi all,
don't get me wrong, I'm really happy to read of all those negative test results in the last few months. According to these good news we seem to have no problems at all. But where are all the N/DM and DM/DM dogs which make a considerable number of the whole population. We're talking of approximately 30-40 % of the population. They seem to have disappeared... Michael |
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I agree with you Michael. Some of my dogs are carriers as reported some time ago, with criterion choosing mates the risk deletes itself. These two results are important because all of their offspring (17 pups) are exempt from myelopathy. Clearly, carriers and affected (to a lesser percenutale fortunately) there are, I think it is important to shed light on new puppies free, to help anyone who wants to mate their choice with good sense.
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Hi Simona,
I didn't mean you in particular. As I said, I'm happy for any dog and owner. But you can see a certain tendency in the published results... Ciao, Michael |
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Hi Michael i understand what you say..;-)
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Arimminum Istar Ketty Pry N/DM
father Charon Seda Eminence ? mother Ambra Vlci nadeje N/N Arimminum Vega N/DM father Cutt ? mother Arimminum Istar Ketty Pry N/DM Arimminum Zoe N/N father Dak z Rosikova ? mother Arimminum Lada ? Arimminum Wolga N/N father Quan Passo del lupo ? mother Arimminum Odette N/N Arimminum Sunrise N/N father Arimminum Timber Wolf N/N mother Arimminum Istar Ketty Pry N/DM |
DM results
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Received today from Laboklin the DM officials certificate
Cosmo Daniel Elite Fenics, Cosmo Daniel Elite Farah , Di Sweety de la Mollyniere de lo'Scale |
more info
Cosmo Daniel Elite Fenics
Degenerative Myelopathy - PCR result Genotype N/N Cosmo Daniel Elite Farah Degenerative Myelopathy - PCR Result Genotype N/N Di' Sweerty De La Mollyniere de Lo' Scale Degenerative Myelopathy - PCR Result Genotype N/N |
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Also, a few N / N female to use N / DM males for fear of bad results. Good bye genepol... |
Originally posted by Satu:
"....and a big part of the sick dogs, does not publish the results." Hmmmm- up to now I did not know that these dogs are themselves posting anything here ??:lol: Must be VERY clever ones - I would immediately take all of them for breeding ! This intelligence of course is much more important than the DM- results, right?:ylsuper:jumpie Ok, seriously now again - Michael is right and Satu also ! It would be a big loss for the whole race if all ( or even only a lot of ! ) breeders now will ONLY breed with "N / N" dogs . Just for the reasons Satu told: "Good bye genepol... " That´s completely right!:fingers1 Best greetings , Silvester |
I did search the comming litters and to my positive surprise breeders are also using the males that are cariers to their free females :)
SO :tardto those breeders who wants to have an healthy breed and use cariers. greetings judith |
A simple question:
From what age the test can be made? For example, can it be made with 2 week puppies? |
The only thing that you need to make a test is a blood sample, so, yes you could do it on very small puppies... Anyway, just not to scramble them too much, and to have correct datas, it could be done when you put the Microchip, so you could pair the sample to the chip number and be absolutely SURE about the owner of the blood :)
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In fact, Laboklin have offered a (small) discount for bulk tests :) |
We chip and test our D-Litters with 6 weeks without any problems. Only DMTest, therefore you need not too much blood.
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The same is with ED, HD and dwarfism results. At the moment only in Czech Republic the club publish ALL hd-results which are made. In any other country cheating (hiding of the results) is still possible... |
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If a breeder will make matings acording to this: DM/DM x N/N DM/N x N/N N/N x N/N he/she will never get ill dogs. And we will not loose any genes... :) |
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I just received the test results of my dogs, thank you very much Daniela :)
Mona Radov dvor N/N Hero Oskar Dor N/N Jezebeth z Peronowki N/DM Arthas Taura Bera N/N Iran Zemplínská oblast N/DM |
LARSON "Dar wilka" DM N/N :p
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Ashanti N/N
Dream Olim Palus N/N Enrichetta Olim Palus N/DM Results from Laboklin. so all the litter " J..Olim Palus" and "I..Olim Palus" are N/N. |
Chett Maly Bysterec : N/N
Ostin Lupi del Montale: N/N Ezar Lupi del Montale: N/N Joy Lupi del Montale: N/N Udug z Peronowki: N/DM ----------------------------- www.lupidelmontale.it Obra Arimminum (from Eligo and Ambra both N/N) so Nevea Nemesys.... |
Storm Arimminum : N/N
Layla Zlata Palz : N /N Anish Pura Gioia : N /N Ellis z Blatnicky Vinic: N/N Ciao Roberto |
Aerith Taura Bera DM/N
Angeal Taura Bera N/N Beeta Taura Bera DM/N |
Shadowlands Bulgaria Beetlejuice N/N
Shadowlands Bulgaria Beowulf N/DM Shadowlands Bulgaria Blue Moon N/DM Shadowlands Bulgaria Boadicea N/N Shadowlands Bulgaria Braveheart N/N |
Fragance de l'arche du Férion: N/N (et hd: B/B)
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Hello,
I got (for DM test) sample of dog Nash Gordon (UK). Email address isn´t legible. Write my please: [email protected] Daniela |
We would like to inform you that we have already ended the testing of foreing dogs for degenerative myelopathy. Our assigned financial resources are almost depleted.
Czech University of Life Sciences Prague Department of Genetics and Breeding Ing. Daniela Čílová |
have done a great job ;) I hope it will in your study of the disease.
In times of crisis, this study has helped many to know the health of their dogs, (me for example) |
Thanks, Daniela for the great project so valuable towards the improvement of the breed's health!
But the most important benefit IMO is that thanks to it DM testing and result display is no longer a taboo, but a standard element of breeding. :) |
Thank you Daniela for making it possible for so many people to test their dogs - your contribution has been immeasureable :)
I wish you all the luck with the rest of your research xx |
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we hope in future be and moore interesing tests for breed, breeders thanks you. |
Congratulations Daniela for your job and good work.
BRAVA!! Roberto |
Is there any new documents where we can find all published DM test ?
Mijke, do you have something ? Thanks for the website / pdf link you could let here. |
RESULT FOR TEST DWARF FROM LABOKLIN FOR MY DOGS:
STORM ARIMMINUM : N/N LAYLA ZLATA PALZ : N/N ANISH PURA GIOIA : N/N ELLIS Z BLATINICHY VINIC: N/N and all this are N/N for Myelopatie too!!:) I'm HaPPY!!!!! Roberto |
New updates:
Dwarfism test results click HERE DM test Results click HERE I want to thank all cooperative owners for sending their test results! :cool3 I know the lists are not complete at all! :roll: There are a lot more CsW’s tested for both genetic diseases. But only with the help of cooperative owners we can make the list more complete and correct. :) So when:
Please send a copy of the test result of the lab (or in case of testing in Prague, the mail of Danielle as FF) to: [email protected] Thanks for your help! PS When you don’t want to have the name of your dog in the list, you can ask for adding the test result with only xxx (instead of a name) |
Many thanks Mijke !!!!
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Merci beaucoup! Super travail ;)
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dwarfism
result test from Laboklin
Arimminum Nouau dwarf free Arimminum Namanaslù dwarf free Arimminum Andromeda dwarf free Arimminum Blaze of Glory dwarf free |
Ebi z Kopáčkova dvora DM N/DM a DW N/N
tested on Slovak http://slovgen.sk with certificates |
But I also thank Daniele for testing in the research, which we are very like to take, you have my admiration for this work
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Résultats MD (via Laboklin) :
Igg' Yz Od Uhoste : N/N Heen'Ghe Potomok Vklov : N/N Heen'Quill Potomok Vklov : N/N Ho'Nook Potomok Vklov : N/N Ho' Bitt Potomok Vklov : N/N Ho'Neels Potomok Vklov : N/N Résultats Dwarfism (via Ultrecht) Igg'Yz Od Uhoste : Clear Heen'Ghe Potomok Vklov : Carrier Heen'Quill Potomok Vklov : Carrier Ho'Nook Potomok Vklov : Clear Ho'Bitt Potomok Vklov : Clear Ho'Neels Potomok Vklov : Carrier |
dwarf
Arimminum Olcan dwarf N/N free ; MD-N/N free
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