I dare to say such a thing because I have seen with my own eyes for three hours how those animals felt there!

Ina

I have changed the video to open, now you should be able to see it.
And I am not talking about Gunner as you can easily see. No matter of my opinion about him.

sorry, but if the dogs are well socialized, they can not be stressed in expo like these, in bus, in city, in place with lot of people... this is not a question of breed, but of education and socialization...

I am not jealous of those poor creatures and refuse to call them dogs.
As it was an openly shown group on an open, non-private occasion it is absolutely legal to film and photograph them. A risk she takes if she feels the need to show them there. Or is there something needed to be hidden??

Ina

Well, a very interesting comment as you told us you don´t want to breed Gunner, so why do you take him to expos you don´t like??
And I could also see you very well chatting happily around in this group so I have to resume looking at your comment here that you obviously can´t read canines body language.

Ina

Ina, thanks for video I share him in all forums who we have. Very good example about ATYPICAL behavior and anatomy.

Jelous from what- we want CRY for poore animal, and sory, not important are first dog show or 100 - NORMAL CSV and PURE CSV all time are easy to handle, happy from contact with others people and dog, and not have stres from this all. ( yes are and shy animals, but not like this) they are moore sarlos ( maybe want a change a breed papers- sarlos are moore rare and have better price) and not call this animals CSV, when they are moore from anatomy and behavior Sarlos not CSV

Definitively, I believe that it is not these magnificent dogs which are poor creatures, finally the man will always remain equal to him even, it is sad

It is really the sect of the s**t in eyes... Of Saarloos, really nothing to do... It is really miserable to occupy the life to such self-abnegations of the reality

Thank you Daiva, I think one can´t share it often enough to inform about a very realistic danger for our breed and to give some realistic informations about the result for the animals itself.

Ina

like not have nothing similar to CSV too :)) this is reality :twisted:

lAhahahahahah :-) :-) :-) :-) :-) ohhhhh thank you for this video :-) :-) :-) :-) :-), everyone knows that my dogs are very happy you are so ridiculous. . . . . You will show a video of aggressive dogs as well? Ahahah

Dear Ina,
I don't must absolutely excuses with you for my presence in expo ... but I want to explain!
I wanted to see old friends and make new ones! I wanted to come without dogs, but many people close to me wanted to see Gunner, and so I took them both! one day expo certainly does not kill them!
If Gunner is shy is my fault, certainly not his! I had to work better when he was little! in the expo have their tails between their legs ... but this does not mean that mistreat them!
See how mistreated my dogs!

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/3...4101881455.jpghttp://img853.imageshack.us/img853/1...0413061455.jpghttp://img513.imageshack.us/img513/3...6057731455.jpg

http://youtu.be/FII0OtjUK54

if this means mistreat ... Many dogs would like them to be abused!

Ina.

Your video is ridiculous and I think you're a poor girl very ugly and very unhappy in life. . . . Poor girl. . your husband has another woman? It makes you more love? I sympathize :-)

bonjour

je suis la propriétaire de

jalisca
Géméhtouès des loups de l'ostrevent

d'un mes chiens NE SONT PAS MALTRAITES donc soit vous arretez de dire de suite des conneries soit je porte plainte cette fois contre propos diffamatoire et là j'ai des preuves

de deux

EN AUCUNS CAS GEMEHTOUES N A ETE DISQUALIFIEE que cela vous enmerde je m'en bats mais royale mais avant de la ramener je crois que vous feriez mieux de vous renseigner car les slips que j'ai entre les mains sont la seule bonne fois encore une fois de mes dires

donc lachez vite car vous ME GONFLER SERIEUX

Ah .. I forgot ... I mistreated Gunner, in fact he hates me! :shock:

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/5...2805731455.jpg

Ahahahahaha goodbye to all!! ;-)

strange, when only owners of this mix not see any problems in this mixes. others people easy see a BIG diferents in anatomy and behavior.

traduction

Hello I am the owner of jalisca Géméhtouès of the wolves of observes it of one my dog IS NOT THUS MISTREATED you is stop saying in succession bullshit are I door pitied this time against slanderous comment and there I have proofs of two IN NO CASES GEMEHTOUES Was DISQUALIFIED that it annoys you I fight but royal but before returning her(it) I believe that you would better make inquire because the pairs of underpants which I have between hands are the only good time once again my statements thus break fast because to INFLATE ME to you SERIOUSNESS

...loosens the leash when you make these photos.

It seems to be some kind of partial blindness, nevertheless, interesting reactions....

Ina

"Your video is ridiculous"

:-(( this answer is your caracter..!for you - ridiculous...this video...great answer ....:-((

Oooooh Andrea, che onore!!! Qui mi rispondi?? wow! Che uomo che sei....... Non meriteresti nemmeno una risposta!
Comunque tranquillo, il guinzaglio era lente e poteva anche sdraiarsi dietro di me o starmi ad un metro di distanza se voleva ;-)

Arimminium was talking about Dwarfism, not only DM.. :|

Sophie asked me to put these 2 pics :)
The day after the exposure to my house ... "animals of Sophie" quiet... also with strangers! :roll:

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/9...1200691455.jpg

http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/2...5608801455.jpg

This kind of pictures was the reason why I made and posted this video.....
We are talking about a working dog breed not a sofa-wolf-breed. If you want to keep this kind of animals: Your problem. If you do it as purebred CSW, or mistreat them: A public problem. If you cannot understand this fact: Again your problem.
You can post as many private videos as you like it doesn´t change the problem shown on the video. I can post some alike photos of our European Wolves, so what?

Ina

Sophie, that was a poor and helpless reply...

But let's come back to the facts and I hope you can help us a little bit.

What was and is your, as well as Capiez' and Turkilla's intention to produce such animals with FCI-pedigrees?
I think it's really daring as an unexperienced CSW-person and "breeder" to start such an "experiment" which might affect big parts of the CSW-population.
I truly hope you have an answer for me and us.

As we see on this video it seems to be a backstep in behaviour, how do you select the dogs for your litters and future plans?

How come that some of them seem to have an "American" appearance rather than an "Eurasian"?

Unexperienced persons as you and Capiez are (wolfdogwise...), did anybody help you in any way?

Apart from wolfish looks, do you expect anything else from your animals?

You see, questions and questions.

Michael

nice photo but without CSV burning soul

This video is ridiclious! I remember very well how shy your founder of your csw breed Gerda z Rofa was. fam Eichhorn! My family and me will never forget that she even being in her own house and room jumped to the window because of the simple "click" of the Canon photo when my wife made pictures! She even did not pass bonitation = P 14! First when Gerda z Rofa was 8 years, she passed with P 3. I did not know that it is allowed to do repeat it.

Sophie, you are right, the husband of Ina had several times girl friends - everybody knows.

I can not see any facts in Sophies dogs that look like american wolfdogs! These are purely europaen wolfdogs. I would call them foundation stock of csw!

I am wondering that you Eichhorn people are talking about working breed csw. You started 2-3 years ago with mantrailing. Til that time you did nothing with them. You know best, that no one can do any agility in real competition with them, or sleddoging. A very few are able to do IPO stuff.

The only "work" they can do is 40 km biking or mantrailing. And there are of course in both deciplins far better dog breeds!

And I will never forget when I went in 2004/5 with my Myla Crying Wolf to the shows in exhibition halls and hunter exhibitions. All people told me, wow, we never saw an open csw like yours. Normally they are always standing beside with their tail under the belly. And of course that is how I learned the csw to know in 1999 during dogshows. And they had been like this for many many times. First in 2006 til now they became in general more open because people bred better more open dogs and did better socialization with the pups and dogs.

So we have here true csw = foundation stock animals because from mother and father side is fresh carpathian wolf blood inside. And in days like this sociaty does not want any aggressiv barking wolfdogs! So it was the right time to bring in fresh blood and brink the csw down from hyperactiv behavior.

And I am wondering Margo and Sarka wrote above that they were very interested in Sophies dogs when seeing them first time. I can not understand why both recognize them as pure csw - but Eichhorns are not able?

Do you remember the song from Metallica with the title

SO WHAT?

Very nice animals, the best csw ever bred!

Christian

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/2100/img1832qw.jpg

Effectively to us they are not working dogs, they are not dogs of sofa, but mistreated dogs of bed!!!!! Which(who) look really put under stress

Photography taken there is 5 minutes to me :rock_3:rock_3:rock_3:rock_3:rock_3:rock_3

before even saying bad things about my photo beside the cage because this is a new Czechoslovakian Wolfdog just arrived home ....

and to close all Ina I have never seen all your dogs live together strange!:!

Tell us the number of times your dogs have been to the vet?

Graal during the exhibition which shows me sound to blow so that I scratch him, one see that he is very put under stress

http://fotoforum.fr/photos/2012/03/28.58.jpg

Look at the pictures on facebook. There are lots of.
And they see their vet daily as I am a veterinary surgeon:roll:

Ina

please explain.

Originally Posted by hanninadina http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/images/...s/viewpost.gif
So we have here true csw = foundation stock animals because from mother and father side is fresh carpathian wolf blood inside.

but with a falsh pedigree? why they have in this case FALSH documents?

I too .. Some don't seem to understand the cynological concept of "breed".. can I have a 'true Dobermann' in one generation by randomly mixing German Pinschers and Rottweilers? :|

Hahahahah new drama ;-)) I laugth a LOT .. When people don't know ... What they can do ??? They imagine what they wish .... I meet more some shy dogs from big kennel than ours ... And fir respect from your kennel daiva /ina and Mkl /Margo I
Close my month .... Good dreams on what you don t have in your kennels (healthy and nice dogs ) frank capiez

Look what warm and loving creatures they are :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hdUCzbCuYk

Surly they must be CSVs? :rock_3

They must be as aggression is only shown by CSWs:rock_3 as a part of their GSD ancestry:roll:

Ina

You filmed for 3 hours! ! You love me so much! !! You came just for that! you came to spy on me! ! Your video shows nothing! ! Show 3h completely! ! My dogs do not know the cage! they were calm and without aggressiveness! ! I saw many many aggressive dogs all day! ! This is not normal! ! I prefer mine! ! Why blame you pictures of carolina? I do not understand! you are jealous! ! Jealous jealous jealous. .

read a standart if can this make :
in dog show WAS TYPICAL dog like standart and say:

BEHAVIOUR / TEMPERAMENT:
Lively, very active, capable of endurance, docile with quick reactions. Fearless and courageous. Suspicious. Shows tremendous loyalty towards his master. Resistant to weather conditions. Versatile in his uses.
and about others - realy jokes about blond are true :)

http://cdn.iwastesomuchtime.com/Octo...leFacePalm.jpg

You are ridiculous! at home and walk my dogs are perfect in the standard! How can you compare with the exhibitions? it was the first time! ! And I'm proud of them! !! You seem to say that all the world clt are standard in all the circumstances? Stop please you are ridiculous ridiculous

You should try to attack me and you would see if my dogs know not react! ! Or come to my house without being invited. . . Ahahahah, they just understand the different situations, they are very intelligent.
You don t know my dog. . .

Thank you, I was sitting on my hands not to answer this...

stop please you are funny funny funny :)
not important this are first or 101 dog show- they not be tomorow moore pure or with betters typical behavior. yes you proud for him, they not runn away.
I think is thime end this stupidity show. All are clear ( thanks Christian for info about theys purity and mixing) and all now easy can see who is who.
I can comming but this not change situation- they not have typical CSV behavior, not in show not in home not in city ( I saw a foto from your dog in city- poore animal)
p.s. I not atack your personality- you are nice women, who think have a brain for live, but atack stupidity about purity this animals.

would her dogs to a genetic test stand firm? Or must the papers be faked for it anew?

Hello,I am Jean Pierre,the husband of Sophie Domer and i want to reply to Ina.
I just don't understand the video posted publicly and the understatments about caracters and treatments of our dogs.
What do you know about ? Are you a teatcher,a dog cop? what about yours owns dogs?
I'never discuss on this forum because i"m not in your world,i'm just a men who take care about his family,and our 8 dogs are my family.
They are like children for us,they live whith great area,they live in house,they sleep in my bed.
When i wake up,there are the first to say''good morning'' and i feel they are happy and loved.
On a over side,they ave a special character,they are reserved with people or situation they dont know.
So what they look stressed.....Is it a reason to publicly assure that my dogs are unhappy and badtreated ?
I remenber to you that they ave done a very long travel(1400 kms) and they find themselves in a new situation....noise...people...others dogs they don't know.
To be stressed dont want to mean have bad treatments..or you say that on a public forum.
I doubt your intelligence and your objectivity.
take care on your own life and your's own dogs if you'r are able too.
I repeat,i'm not in your discussion of dogs,wolf,wolfhund,hybrid,and so on...i only love my animals and i think that my child who is ten year old is more intelligent that you and both of others...
You are in a mythic world,it's your right..but if i find an other time a post that said my dugs are badtreaded,i can assured you that i lodge a complaint for diffamation...whith your video and your comments...difficult for you..
So..take your way..move your a.. and love your dogs..I hope i'ts the first and last message i leave on this forum...i am in the real live with my dogs and i don't need to create problems ..
So do the same and i hope you get so lovely dog family i have.

Jean Pierre

This word seems to be the favourite of yours and others of your fellow accomplices. You constantly push the repeat button...
Why should Ina or others be jealous?
Since you couldn't answer my other questions, please do so with this one.
I'm curious, really.

Michael

stupid ambitions about rare pure CSV line :twisted::twisted::twisted::twisted:

I will explain it to you the last time as it was explained often enough:
If you decide to keep this kind of dog at your home as a pet, fine. I personally think that we should breed pets that are able to handle those situations but if you want a pet that has mainly to stay at home, ok.
BUT if you decide to show and breed it as a purebred CSW with official paper this is fraud.
AND if you take it to an exhibition and watch it being in panic without taking it out of the situation this is cruelty to animals and nothing else. And yes as a vet that is specialized on Animal Behaviour, owns a very big dog school, trains mantrailers up to a very high level, breeds wolfdogs since 12 years, raised and cares for several European wolves I am very qualified to judge the behaviour of your dogs, as well as the fact that they are more than atypical in looks and behaviour for this breed. And Daiva by the way is a specialized judge for this breed and should be able to judge this as well.

No matter what you post here on statements and photos this does not change the picture your dogs and their handlers gave on this Expo.
And my dogs traveled from Germany to Italy they stayed at several different places, one of them is only 10 month of age and has never before been to such an occasion. There have been several CSW that traveled as far and have been there the first time, absolutely no animal on this Expo showed only a tenth of the mental stress your animals showed. I have seen hundreds of CSW on a lot of occasions and over 15 years now. Some of them were shy, many of them were stressed on Expos and other occasions like that. None, absolutely none was in half the mental stage your animals have been in.
If you are not able to see that and help your animals out of this situation you should be very, very thorough to keep away of them as you can easily abuse a dog without hitting it, trap it into cages or not feed it properly.

And if you are not able to respect the intention the founders of this breed had - and it was mainly not for looks - you should change to another breed. To found a 5th line as was said with this kind of animals or breed this animals at all without SEVERE and RESPONSIBLE selection will ruin the breed!
And all of us that love this breed and care for it´s well being will do our best to stop you. The videos are sent to the Slovakian Club, hopefully they can get a change.

Ina

The (named :rock_3) mother of Demoniak is dead, Torsten.

And there´s already a thread on the French forum about "tests adn" and that´s not impossible to fake them.

I absolutely agree.

Hello Jean Pierre,

I'm Michael, husband of Ina. In the last part of your posting you lost a little bit of your composure and switched to a quite common style.
Anyway...
First of all me and Ina believe that you and your family, including the animals, live a happy life in your home.
Never doubted that.
But that's not the point.
The point is that it took a long time to bring the CSW's to the present state and there's still a lot of work to do.
Only 10-15 years ago we had a much higher rate of shy and anxious animals but it improved tremendously.
So why taking this step backwards by crossing in wolves again?
I'm not saying that your wife did it, but she's deliberately breeding on with these animals and therefore cheating. With FCI pedigrees.
That's a fraud. Not more and not less.
Either she does it on purpose, she doesn't realize it (wasn't she something posting of intelligent dogs...) or she is that blind that she doesn't want to see it.
You know, I'm working with (real) wolves and dogs for 20 years now and I believe what I see. In phenotype and behaviour. I just don't like to be lied on.
That's all.
I am against the production of wolf-hybrids, that's my opinion, but if you like to keep them be free to do that, but please don't try to make us believe that these animals are CSW's.
So if this video made a few more people aware what's going on at the moment, it was definitely worth showing it.

Michael

I dont know if I should remove this shameful and ridiculous post or if I should let it here to serve as example of your lack of character and imaturity.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/9177/facesole1.jpg

Then when will you start to talk that Ina and all wolfdog.org forum users - who does not agree with the fact that you're supporting the destruction of our breed - being nazis?! Perhaps tell that people are jealous of your atypical mongrels is the dog-world substitute for lack of arguments?!

PS: Ina, thank you very much for this video, I will share it.

Please leave it, as well as hanninadina´s post. Apart of showing a tremendous lack of character and imaturity, it also shows better than anything else the poorness of lives that are all about looks, looks, looks, show, show, show and a tremendous lack of understanding the breed in itself, the ability to work real dogs and the simple ability to read canine-language.
I am more than sure that everybody reading it and having at least a little bit of those abilities had about this look in his face :shock:

I have been on this Expo for the whole day and didn´t have to take care of terrified dogs all the time and I didn´t see any aggressive dog, I saw some owners that should visit a dogschool and some territorial aggression due to this fact but in very, very few cases and in perfectly normal amount. As so often in discussions with this type of person I obviously visited a different occasion.

I will never in my live understand why people that are not even able to WORK a dog insist on owning and more than that, breeding a working dog breed. There are so many showbreeds. And instead of seeing their mistake they rather prefer to change a whole breed as they are not able to live with the normal character of those dogs or in this two cases of any normal DOG.


You are very welcome, thank you for sharing.

Ina

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they aren't CLC pure breed, this is the fact..but they have a pure pedigrèe this is the error. Also they could be wonderfull, but they aren't a race...maybe a nice experiment.

Me? Immature? You've filmed for 3 h and you are hiding you for this! you realize? ! 6 min to show "CLT classic character," your dogs are aggressive, it's you who should stop them again! ! So you accuse me of mistreating my dogs! !! It is you who have a problem! ! Leave us alone. . Mikael, I'm not so stupid as you think. . . . I know where my puppies go, I select my future owners much better than the breeders! !! Do not worry about that. . .

You say that they are not pure and that they are the facts. What facts? You have NO proof and you allow to assault people. In fact it is you who have no normal behavior, it would doubtless be necessary to film you during hours to discuss it then. It is you, that will kill the race, strength you will eventually make the future owners run away who will not want of a race of dog where the world is filled with visionaries, and that will finish with not lof each at home, that it is the reality, I repeat, but we would really say a sect...

Koomak:-)
why - you MUST - select the owner very good..better than normal?

JURI, Because the breeders make selections of very bad owners. . Many CLT are abandoned. .

Thank Julie, yes its a sect. . .

moore mixes? I believe they you not call and not breed like a CSV when they not are CSV.
yes you mas select a owners, when law have stright right about wild animals keeping. When they and are wild animals not dogs.
p.s.
agresive dogs in video- please put this moment, when I not saw this, only a poore shy animals and big % normals CSV.
and please LEAVE A CSV BREED alone, mixing this animal who have but not call they a CSV.

Lithuanian owner and breeder read this who are in Fb and WD and have two opinions about this who make a muts owner:
first:
"This is not white, then black" syndrom

and second:

http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3664/3...651161974f.jpg

At least you're beeing honest with us! :rock_3
Yes, I have no doubt you select the future owners of your pups better than you've selected the breeders of your dogs. :)

wolfin:
;-)

You seem a little bit confused, could you put that in normal words...

What happened at minute 5 to close the muzzle of this afraid animal? :x

:shock::shock:Good question, I didn´t see this before. But even watching it three times I really can´t tell you. Maybe it didn´t panik enough and was therefor aggressiv?? Or it dared to growl out of stress???

Ina

NO? Gunner des Loups de l'Ostrevent - bred by Sophie is 100% AWD-cross. He do not have ANYTHING what characterize European Wolfdogs. :nono

Christian - we do not want ANY mongrels. The dogs bred by Frank and Sophie are mixes of something. But 1000000% they are not real EU-wolf x CsW mixes. It is obvious they have AWD (and Saarloos?) blood.
But the video shows another thing: it is also 1000000% sure the dogs have CHEATED pedigrees - there are NO DOUBTS about it. I hope after it the Slovakian Club will report it to FCI finally. :evil:

Second point: the extrem shyness and the catatonic behaviour of these animals shows that they are NOT European Wolf crosses. But American Wolf crosses.
And your words protecting those mixes are the best example: you love AWD (Saarloos type dogs) because they have different character than CsW: CsW are WORKING breed - they have characteristic temperament (active, prepared to protect the owner/to work as protection dogs). And you hate it. But you love AWD character - it is why you like Sophies dogs so much... ;) The animals of Sophie show the Saarloos alike temperament typical for AWD crosses.

And last: YOU are not the CsW breeder. And even as a breeder you would have NO RIGHT to decide about this breed. As I wrote you already: it is not your property. And the Slovakian Club says: such shy character is disqualification fault. RESPONSIBLE breeder would not breed with such dogs. So stop bringing happiness to us by force... ;) We LOVE the "hyperactiv behavior" of your dogs. It is why we want to have this breed. Who do not like it should buy a SAARLOOS or AWD. I find the behaviour of the dogs of Sophie HORRIBLE. I know tamed WOLVES which are much more relaxed in such places than the mixes bred by her.
It will be a DISSASTER for this breed if CsW will behave like those animals. At the moment there are some shy CsW but usually it is caused by missing socialization. Those mixes are just shy be genetic. There is no "cure" for it.

Christian - the first generation (Demoniak) could be a NICE CSW. I agree. Because of it it was possible to cheat breeders in the begining. Me too. I come from Poland where cheating of pedigrees IS NOT POSSIBLE here because it is threatened by a VERY huge penalties (Person like Frank would be kicked from ZKwP and FCI with ALL his dogs !immediately! if it would happend in PL).. NOBODY in my country would be a such an idiot to cheat pedigrees so obviously. And if somebody would do it the kennel club will forse him to make the DNA tests. And after it would remove such person from FCI - it means an END for everybody who would make something like this. I was thinking in France it is the same - that the French kennel club GARANTY that dogs listed in the pedigree match to the reallity. I was thinking that breeders would be affraid to make any frauds. I WAS WRONG.

After we discovered the French fraud of the pedigrees we informed about it all breeders in PL. If somebody will try to import such dog we will go on the official way against such breeder. None of those mongrels will be registered by us.
I will also NEVER use the mixes of Frank - even for free!!! As I would never cross my dogs with any street dogs of unknown origin. Demoniak can be mistaken with a CLC. But NONE of his children - all of them a Saarloos-AWD alike (what shows that he also is a AWD cross). Totally untipical according the CsW standard. Look on Fantastik Wolweryne de la Louve Blanche:
http://dl.wolfdog.org/pics/dbase/13035.jpg
He looks like Malamute-German Shepherd Cross with light eyes.
Look on the dog Edora owner by Sophie:
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...62645727_n.jpg
It look like 100% Saarloos. 0% Czechoslovakian Wolfdog.

No Christian - those animals will be never good blood for our breed. They bring atypical look and atypical character. And for sure in the next generation we will see more strange dogs in France... Because F1 crosses can be nice but their children show already charactertistics of different breeds used by Frank while breeding his mongrels...

One thing is good 8) Now all people - all CsW owners and breeders will see "who is who": who is a good and responsible breeder and who is just a bussines man breeding for money. Because NONE of the good breeders will ever use any of those mongrels. They will be used only by puppy millers - producers who will see a source of money in it... Because there is no other reason for using the mixes with fake pedigrees then puppies production made for $...

PS. I would liek to say "thank you" to Sophie for showing those animals in Italy. If there were any people who had ANY doubts - she dispelled all doubts because people wad the chance to see the mixes with their own eyes. Now everybody agreed that those animals have FAKE pedigrees and they are NOT CsWs...

one question in who method they are a NEW line :) if have in pedigree dogs what blood in breed are much, and not rare? :twisted: if make a line mas make oficial without falsh pedigree with permission from Slovak club with empty pedigree from 1 to 4 generation. Why falshing documents? Now they not are any new line, only animals with cheating documents.

maybe organizator this alls show not think who make. Now pack mas change a documents if want have and OFICIAL rare line :twisted::rock_3

You know why? Because Ina has CZECHOSLOVAKIAN WOLFDOGS. They have different character than your American Wolfdog (or Saarloos) crosses.

But also because of this character the dogs of Ina WORK as seach dogs (mantrailing) and your dogs not... With those wild animals you would never be able to make any serious work...

WOW, you was even able to touch him!!! :twisted:
Here you have a 100% European Wolf - 1000% more confident than the French croses:
http://dl.wolfdog.org/temp/1314858580-5443262.jpg
http://dl.wolfdog.org/temp/1314858581-1357871.jpg

YEP - why people want a CSV- for sport, like mantrailing, agility, dogtrecking, IPO, for defence house and personality ( yes ours dogs can do it, and owner can without stress walk in night in city, without any stress about running away animal)
this nice wolf have and bonitation mesured- WITHOUT any stress I can touch her, check a thoots, mesured shes body, she is wild animal but are moore typical CSV like this who we saw in video.

But still they live all together in the house, like yours do.;)

Sophie, the description of your dogs shows that you have Saarloos alike dogs. And you LOVE Saarloos alike dogs. Please be so kind and switch the breed. Register your dogs as Saarloos and remove them from the French pedigree book of CsW in France. ;)

You really have no idea about our breed, its character and REQIURED characteristics. :roll: I can say you that EXTREMLY SHY CsWs behave exactly like your dogs: they are too scared to do anything and they are too scared to make anything. But it is nothing that you can be proud about.

One more the breed standard:

Part describing typical CsW:
"BEHAVIOUR-TEMPERAMENT:
Lively, active, tough, obedient with quick reactions, fearless and courageous. Shows tremendous loyalty towards his master. Resistant to weather conditions. Versatile in his uses."

Part describing your dogs:
"DISQUALIFYING FAULTS :
- Aggresive or overly shy."

So than this is a CsV to, as I can not prove that it is not :rock_3 ????
http://www.wolfdog.org/site/dbase/d/5537

Thank god you are nor a breeder or a bonitation judge :p

Best regards / Mikael

Really!?!?! One of the people came to you and asked if your dogs are pure. You told her YES!!!
Sophie - it is a DANGEROUS lie! I also think you are NOT a stupid person - and because of it I think that you know for 100% that dogs which you breed are not PURE Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs but unpredictable crosses. Therefore, I think that you are premeditated lying to puppy buyers by telling them your dogs are ClCs. And this is not behavior of a responsible breeder.

If im not mistaken she acted exactly like that also on Facebook, telling that her dogs are pure and even have DNA test, it really dont amaze me. :lol:

Im just asking - this "breeders" want to begin a new line, breding wolves and csv (or something like this)?

Christian, I think you are victim of the nice fairy tales told by the mongrels owners... Ask Sophie why she is no more showing her great Doz... Why she dissappeared from the show rings when the female started to be adult.
Ask Fabio to show you his Wolfsirius Dik Passo del Lupo. Could you late post us a photo with this "great" dog? :twisted: I really hope it will be not similar to this:
http://lh6.ggpht.com/-fleqNlYTc7U/TT...c/10049111.jpg

It was not different with Mutaras in Italy. Alaska aka Ave Lupo Mutara was registred by Fabio and covered with Lion Passo del Lupo. Did you forget his story? I will refresh your memory. Lion was given away by his owner because of the agressive behaviour. He came back to the breeder. During a show he attacked and seriously injured a young italian woman. Despite of it Fabio covered Ave Lupo with his male who should be taken OUT of the breeding. After it the dog was put down by him.
Christian - do you want to tell me that it is the great "fresh" blood which we should use? Do you think such animals will make our breed better?
Anyway I do not plan to use any psychopaths.

No, it is not the reason. They just wanted to be the "best breeders in the world". To have "the best dogs in the world".
But because they are laymen with the missing knowledge about genetic, breeding, lines and standard they were not able to breed any good dogs.
So they saw the best possiblity to reach they goals by using mixes. Just take a look who is breeding mixes now - all possible LOOSERS. Breeders who were not able to breed any good animals. NONE of the good breeders is using/breding mices.... :D
But because they are loosers they also screw up their experiment. Instead of using pure EU-Wolves they used all possible mongrels and AWD-crosses.
So the dogs bred by Frank are 100% Saarloos - it means "nobody know what breeds are inside".... :rock_3

It is why they chated the pedigrees and not grounded new lines in register. If Frank would put those dogs in register everybody would know that he is using mixes and not pure CsW. 8)
By cheating of the pedigrees he was able to deceive people by saying them that those dogs looks wolfish because "Crying Wolf is such wolfish line". This lie would never work by us (Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, aso...) because we know many CW dogs and we know how they look. But French people have not lot experiences with Crying wolf dogs - they saw few of them; usually the Saarloos alike lines bred by Edith. So they believed in it...
So at least in France and Finland the cheatings worked as the "breeders" planned...

if they begin- why falshing a documents? now in pedigree this animals are simply dogs with a crying wolfs blood, heavy dogs blood and not moore- if see a pedigree not found any wolfish dog from what they can have this anatomy who have now.
when begin new line people make a breed book and begin from zero, without falsh pedigree with others dogs names.
this is true? I think yes

That's a really good logical point.. if you were going about trying to make a new line, then don't use fake pedigrees.. use real ones just like PdL's mixes.. then people reading the pedigree of your dog, who they might want to use for breeding, have the right information on health and other information...

A fake pedigree is more than fake purebred status, it's fake ancestry and all genetic, health, and temperament background.. completely useless to any serious breeder. Worse than having 'no pedigree'.

I think it's worth mentioning the wolf is not photographed with her owner, but with a strange person and in unfamilliar environment, not at home! It makes a big diefference IMO!

.. this is a perfect photo. the details are perfect ..
the eyes, ears, loosened the collar on the neck .. the force of gravity acting on the chain .. without opposing forces .. naturally falls to the ground ..naturally falls to the ground....
...Dear Jessica, remember when you wanted to spend a day with us? Well, let's do it if you want .. and maybe I can meet your Gunner in my way, talking and joking, then I can pet him and, without a leash, waiting for a friend to make two photos. not a professional of course.

Io penso che se tu volessi parlare con me potresti farlo in privato... Visto che hai i contatti per farlo. Quì non ha senso. Ti dico già che questa è l'ultima volta che ti rispondo perchè tempo da perdere non ne ho...
Non ti farei mai fotografare i miei cani, nessuno dei miei 5 e non ci tengo davvero ad incontrarmi con te.
Ci rimasi male Andrea, molto male... Da una persona adulta non me lo sarei aspettato e sai di cosa parlo.. Pensavo di aver trovato un "amico" ... Che illusione.
Ma... Ciò che non uccide fortifica giusto?!

Quindi buona giornata e addio! ;-)

I think that if you wish to talk with me you could do it in private as you have the contact to do so... Here it makes no sense, I told you already that it's the last time I answer because I have no time to waste.
I would never let you take pictures of my dogs, none of my 5 dogs and I truly have no will to meet with you.
That was bad Andrea, very bad, from an adult I would not expect and you know what im talking about. I tought that I've had found a friend .. what an illusion...
but what does not kills you, strengthens you, right?!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

Whaaaoo - what nice, beautiful , great picture!!

I´m really impressed.

Think it´s Bessinka, isn´t it? Congratulations to the people who own her and raised her up - she must have big confidence to people, it´s quite unusal for pure wolf of course.

Silvester

That´s a really good answer :thumbs

I do really hope the Slovakian Club can act on this now, when they have not just a photo but also a video that shows there behavior

Best regards / Mikael

Yes, very good answer !!!

I what shocks me even more in this video, it is besides these animals being in a state of stress, it is the not knowledge owners besides of say breeder, since when we comfort by caressing(cherishing) a put under stress dog ???

Besides the origins of these animals, it would be necessary can be knowledge to raise(bring up) them in the good way what only for their good(property) would be!!!! :roll:

A very good point!!! The owner encourages/rewards such behaviour! :lol:

Indeed...
They obviously think they know what they're doing.
Animals just bred and kept for pure vanity.
I wonder what they gonna do if the pedigrees of these animals sooner or later will be made invalid by the FCI.

Michael

Yes way not :p ???

Probably because they would not like the answer :lol:

Very best regards / Mikael