It is already the most well-known lie. 8) The breeders know the dogs have fake pedigrees. The judges know that the dogs are not pure. The clubs know it. The owners know it too.

Now we wait for the official proceedings in this case.

I am going to answer you their place Margo, it is the mix of bloods Flash Crying wolf and Yvanka de New Flame who gives this type of CSW :lol: :lol:

It is the explanation that I had :roll: :lol:

me too ......

REALLY! :roflmao Only Frank, who do not have the brightest idea about the CsW lines can say something like this.... :D He is really thinking that all people have no knowledge about this breed. It is a pity that in France there are still young people who never saw the dogs and therefore they believe on everything what Frank is saying.

Yvanka de New Flame is 100% Czech dog. Additionally she brings the heavy type of Colt Zeper (with short legs). The children of Yvanka should look like this:
http://dl.wolfdog.org/pics/dbase/Ysf..._New_Flame.jpg

'Light version' would be like this:
http://dl.wolfdog.org/pics2/2004/12/25115.jpg
http://dl.wolfdog.org/pics2/2009/1/1...38-5358210.jpg

And Flash and the whole F-litter was pretty short legged and in many cases very overangulated (they have pretty special type of body).

It is enough to look on the dogs of breeders who use pure Crying Wolf 'lines' - they all have pretty many problems with overagnulated and short legs. And with Czech blood you will not make it better. On the contrary.

No - with the pedigree of Demoniak you will never get wolfish dogs who has so long legs. :rock_3 Only children believe in fairy tales. If you breed two chickens you will never get a swan. ;-)
Last but no least: by Crying wolf you have NEVER black dogs. By Chech lines of Yvanka you will get darker brown-red colour but NEVER the colour of Fragön and Fantastik Wolweryne. Frank, maybe they get this colour from the (black?) poodle which you mentioned?

hanninadina, have you been on meeting in Pozna this year?

Yes Margo, really, it is the explanation that we gave me even recently, seen the big expert of the race whom we have in France, I indeed wonder why the race is not patronized by the France :lol: :lol: :lol:

No, WE don´t have.

Frank, you told us your father is a breeder of siberian huskies since 1970 (http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/newrepl...wreply&p=76539 ), and most of your dogs are officially bred by your father.

You yourself love dogs from PDL, CW and de Louba tar (or should I say Sun gifu - grin).

So much facilities, Frank .... loooooooooool

And ... attack is not always the best defense :mrgreen:

Cheers
Angelika

Margo and Daiva, it was three years ago or something, it was Geriyon, Miguel knew this dog very well because he was in contact with Davia during that time. He showed me the dog.

So I am very sorry, in the end, the discussion is in the end there, where it was every time it is discussed. I do not know why no vet and a official from french csw club goes to Sophie and take some gene material and make a gene test?

Although Doz and Demoinak look almost like siblings, I noticed of course that the off spring of Demoniak has big ears - ears like Saarloos! And from temperament he is more like Saarloos and not csw. So I think, I stay with my opinion that he is a son of Skog! Jos, only wanted to make some trouble and was jealous because the american wolfdogforum people wrote that I seem to have more knowledge about some dogs. That is why he hit out his statement, that HE knows better who the father of Demoniak is.

And because of the big ears, Margo, I can not believe that there is american wolfdog in him.

By the way, can you copy the pictures from 2005, which you did linked in the wayback machine archive? Because I can not open it, but I would really like to watch the pictures of the wolves or american wolfdogs, which where shown when Franky announced his first or second litter from Merlin and Ossa Crying Wolf. You can download it and post it here. Would be great and would rather leads to more understanding that Franky is a liar.

Thanks
Christian

:shock:
Just as a little reminder:

It was you that started the discussion here. :rock_3
You want to leave it without an excuse to Jos and a new little kick to the direction of Margo and Daiva :shock:

Do you really think people here have such short memories? Or have you already forgotten yourself?

Ina

Then he made mistake... :) Geryon was never shy. On the contrary :rock_3 He was and is a MACHO. For some people too big macho.... 8)

The only dog from this litter which can be described as "not self-confident" is Glasya. But it seem to be caused by missing socialization and the conditions where she is living (a pack of dogs).

The rest of the litter was possible to see in Pozna. Still If you visit us you will have the possiblity to see Garuda, Gibil, Gwaihir and maybe even Geryon (Gothmog is living in Denmark - but his character is simply PERFERCT :) ). You will have the possiblity to convince yourself that you never can describe those animals as "shy".

Why are these links dead now?
I wanted to see pictures of these black(?) pups from Demoniak..?

proper links:
http://www.wolfdog.org/site/dbase/d/13035
http://www.wolfdog.org/site/dbase/d/13036

Thanks Jefta.

I thought that they were really black. Of course I am familiar with these particular wolfdogs allready. I thought there was some others too, that were actually black like the black phase wolves / American wolfdogs.

this very dark color is not the monopoly of the "la louve blanche".there are other

http://www.wolfdog.org/site/fr/dbase/d/8086

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/7...lvetzmolus.jpg

I read only now ...
Margo, Furya and Frangon aren't children of Diamond! It 'a database error!

You took a picture of Gunner ok .. but you've chosen the worst!:evil:
Now much has changed ...

http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/723/kar9439.jpg
http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/3126/kar8753.jpg
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/857...4334441455.jpg

I do not understand where you see the Saarloosm or American wd!!!

Good day to you all ...;-)

Ah.. it's true, my dog is shy.. and? Where is the problem?
Many dogs are shy, in Italy there are many ... I do not understand where the problem!

On first foto in head expression :?

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/8...isaarloos1.jpg

.....it is true .... are just equal! :shock:

I am new to the breed,but even I see saarloos in that picture too.... And 'what's the problem with shy dogs'? It is not typical or desirable in the csv's standard! So shy dogs shouldn't be bred from :?

Of Course! It is not desirable to have shy dogs! But today we find many more shy dogs rather than brave unfortunately!
The breed was created by crossing a Wolf and a German Shepherd ... Consequently, at the beginning we couldn't expect brave dogs! We change the nature over the years and we're still doing ... But I repeat, there are now many more shy dogs!
Maybe in the future they will all be brave!

Sorry, but this is simply not true.

you can proceed to the dark color of wolf dog

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/454...lzperonwki.jpg

http://www.wolfdog.org/site/fr/dbase/d/9634

http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/110...peronwki02.jpg
http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/3...rzperonwki.jpg

Namtar z Peronówki

and

http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/5...peronwki01.jpg
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/9...peronwki02.jpg
http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/7...peronwki03.jpg
http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/3...uzperonwki.jpg

http://www.wolfdog.org/site/fr/dbase/d/15715

but we never said that in these marriages there was rewetting ..........

and again in france .....

http://img832.imageshack.us/img832/2287/estvj.jpg

http://www.wolfdog.org/site/fr/dbase/d/6299

is not "louve blanche" but is very CWD .............

If your country has a problem with a majority of shy dogs then I encourage more breeders in your country to breed from dogs with correct temperament. There won't magically be more dogs with correct temperaments in the future if everyone breeds from shy dogs. It's common sense. ..

What is not true Michael?
I know a lot of Csw and many more of this are shy...
In their home are good but in expo or at the street are so shy... This is not god it't true! But is really!

For example ... The attack on the sleeve. I'm not an expert in this field but a friend explained to me that the dog must enter for the first time in a "field" and when person come out the dog should attack or otherwise not show signs of fear. Most people train the dog to do this action. This doesn't make the brave dog, but you get used to do and train a specific action.

The Czechoslovakian wolfdog isn't born brave, not usually ...
We will train you to be!

It´s me, Ina not Michael.
I know CSW since 1997 and I know several hundreds of them in different countries.
You don´t almost see any genetically shy dog nowadays in Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Germany, Poland. I have seen dogs from France and Italy and Belgium all of them not shy.
In the past it was very funny that the same lines weren´t shy in the countries of origin but in Germany. It was simply the owners fault. We changed a lot of things, we talked to people and nowadays even normal judges that have seen the breed from it´s beginning in Germany come to us and tell us that there has been an enormous improvement.
This doesn´t seem to be a person with much knowledge of normal dog behaviour or training. And braveness could be called stupidity in that behalf.
If you see so many shy dogs in your place you should go to other places and look how the dogs of the same origin behave there. If they behave different it´s a problem of people not dogs.
And if you see Wolfcrosses and Saarloos as no problem in this breed because they are soooo beautifull then I can tell you that those animals are extremely often genetically shy and their offspring is quite likely to become shy. This is one of the main reasons why people want the dogs out of illegal crossings banned out of the breed. They destroy their working ability and charakter.
And they give a totally wrong impression of the breed and attrack people that are getting CSW for their wolfish looks and see this kind of charakter as normal for this breed. It is not!

Ina

Ina is right! I know lots of normal, well socialized vlcaks that aren't shy at all, and just a couple shy ones.

Your vision of the breed must be really seriously destorted if you make a statement like this! :shock: Such claims only confirm that something is wrong with breeding, training, selection...:cry: Haven't you read the breed standard?:rock_3


Agree 100%!

Well, it might also be a problem of dogs... if the origin is the same only on paper, it wouldn't work...

But would be another proof.

Ina

Hy Jessica:) ,
you remember Juri;-), last year - in Italy?,
that's normal Standard...!
You remember what you tell me, Juri a very open dog - this is normal-Standard!


We see us soon;-)

Mariana

In next time when we meet I will give you a glasses, because you have problem with a eyes :) :twisted:

and? you want say this is NORMAL and typical? and this animals mas go to breed and we all mas say oh they have a wolf blood and mas be shy? SORRY but NOT.

read this:
BEHAVIOUR / TEMPERAMENT:
Lively, very active, capable of endurance, docile with quick reactions. Fearless and courageous. Suspicious. Shows tremendous loyalty towards his master. Resistant to weather conditions. Versatile in his uses.

I have seen a lot of extremely shy dogs in Poland, Germany and Slovakia. Also shy in 2-3 generations. And I see shyness is no problem even for well known and reputable breeders :(

YES, Juri is TYPICAL normal dog with typical behavior-with this behavior who have now almost all CSW who I saw in Germany, Poland, Slovak, Rusia, Lithuania, Czech Republic.
When, example, people want buy a CSW in Lithuania they first want a THIS behavior, when I not meet a people who want a wolfish but shy dog, they want this behavior who are in standart, later is important animal who is a similar to wolf, but not like a wolf, only similar.
Why I speak about this- If you friends want a breed a wolf- mix - OK make this, only WHY this animals mas have a falsh pedigree, why not can breed this like a American wolfdogs- without pedigrees, this AW have a fans and have a clients who want buy this. Why mas fals pedigree and sale this poore animals like pure CSW with standart anatomy and behavior when they this NOT HAVE? from what you and friends want a CSW pedigree?

I must 100% agree with Daiva. When someone likes mixes of csw and wolves, OK, do it, sell it, but WHY do you made false pedigrees and want to insert them into our breed? There is nothing standard on this dogs... and everyone who has eyes can see it too. SURE, they are just beautiful, but not standard csw!
produce your mixes, sell them, but do it openly and do not say, they are csw...
and one thing... is it SUCH A BIG problem, to make DNA tests? is it realy such a problem? to proof, that all of the breeders and owners are mistaken, and those dogs are realy CSW? you made something such beautiful without any wolfblood, you made a great thing, a thing that no one else can do with his dogs, not in Slovakia, not in Czech, Poland, Germany,... so why can you show us, that your breeding is the best? if its realy pure CSW, then I want your pupps!!! realy! because such exterior must be saved!

Ariminium, you have no idea about what you're talking and also you should have problems in your eyes.
All the dogs you posted have the typical marks expected of a CzW, different of the only dark coated de la louve blanche dogs.
http://dl.wolfdog.org/pics2/2011/7/1...91-4270364.jpg

The Shepherd like dog by Les Plaines de L'est is a linebreeding done in very shepherd like Czech dog, it is atypical animal but yet with features you could expect to pop in the breed.

Good question Daiva,
I think a many, too - WHY,

I have many points - why...make - bad breeders - a falce pedigree...
I think
champonats FCI, Shows and much more..........is a big point important for many people.
AWH is only mix in europe!
this
"""BEHAVIOUR / TEMPERAMENT:
Lively, very active, capable of endurance, docile with quick reactions. Fearless and courageous. Suspicious. Shows tremendous loyalty towards his master. Resistant to weather conditions. Versatile in his uses."""
this is very good for shy dogs-for mix-make the dogs better;-))))
health, etc. ..

and many points more;-)

but my english not good - to write here, sorry.



best regards mariana
we must fight for transparenz;-)...

Yes Mariana Juri is pefect! I know! With gooood carachter! But you remember how many dogs had the tail between the legs?
This is not to say that dogs are shy, maybe I explained evil ... I mean that the majority, in those situations, they are not comfortable! Everything here!
And anyway, I bought the dogs just to make money ... And given the time now in Italy hope to make many! Ahahahahaha :twisted:

Wolfin... We will meet soon if you come in Italy Saturday ... Appearance glasses! :lol:

no, I think no;-)

http://dl.wolfdog.org/pics2/2011/7/1...91-4270364.jpg

Yes Paula, Fragon is very good example too ....

Arriminium, you tell very well know the race, OK, made to understand us where from comes this type??? I'm curious :lol:

Please, a little seriousness.... :roll:

see, other dark color, you give example, I hlep you, other example :lol: :

http://dl.wolfdog.org/pics/dbase/Ari...n_Loup_Cie.jpg

http://dl.wolfdog.org/pics/dbase/Fal...olfdog_Cie.jpg


http://dl.wolfdog.org/pics/dbase/Amor_Grabcov_dvor.jpg

you make him express or you still understand nothing ????

Really, ok, your female is nice, Demoniak is nice, Gunner too .... I'm sincere, but they are nice animal, not nice real CSW ....

Hy jessica,
I saw some "hybrid"-"mix" with a lot of fear, shy.
could not only talk-very silence-normal for fear,shy!
only in this situation-but only on show-not more.

big eys (pupil) - and a lot of water in the mouth!
But I also saw a lot of good-dog;-)speak, good kommunikation - and much more..;-)!

but this is not only a problem in italy-this is a problem in europe with this mix..us problems-and the dog problem, too.!

you actually read YOUR dogs are quiet, obedient, they are never afraid of anything, but we never see a ring ........
you had better stay in the German Shepherd ... there at least there is no mixes, no suspicions, the dogs are all healthy ....

muahaaa ha ha ha haaaaa :)))))

except that 12 people are picking on this poor Demoniak, already look the defenders of the race that still manage to make dwarves because they have not even thought about doing a simple test, anyway what are you going to do against these dogs? nothing ... except talk, you can do nothing, the machine is running, if you please, and you will focus on some dogs, the more people will watch them, the more they will like them .... I would be in your shoes, I'll forget it .... when you do not speak, we forget ....

For me Arriminium, you can see 3 or 4 dogs from my kennel in dog show ( Nationale d'élevage / Juin) , you can see the character describes :rock_3

yes, i'm sure, you are really stupid ........ :roll:

our dogs are registered as "purebred" or not, they are stigmatized or not does not prevent us to cherish ... to love them ....... although everyone can say ......
this does not prevent us from showing them, present them in a boxing ring .....
the main thing is to have in finding his dog, the dog we like ...

but so realistic ..

Interessant your thought - I do not more expect, I exactly expected this.:-)

Then, according to you Ariminium, we should all forget about Demoniak & co, try to not speak about it and let an unknown blood mix up with pure CzW bringing new genes including new illness and different problems to the breed.

And that all because someone with no brain tried to find a way to sell pups more expensive than pure breed dogs by doing mongrels and CHEATING the papers (then the owners will be able to fullfil his EGO desire to go to dogshows and say "I have a different czechoslovakian wolfdog, coming from a new way of breeding" ), because always will have even more brainless (sorry for the owners) people to buy an expensive atypical mongrel believing it's a pure dog and keep screaming that the dog is pure/typical when it's clearly not.

And then you're blaming someone who happen to have a dwarf dog and DIDN'T HIDE IT as bad breeder because he had an dwarf.

Gosh... how could it make so much of sense! :lol:

Yet there are things so much more important than focusing on a few dogs as Demoniak, one gets the impression that you could make shade? ...... these are just some dogs, but you read (4900 views on this post tonight) and 12 speakers, you little .... you pick on one dog.
this post is that I find stupid, as many things to say nothing ....
are proud of our dogs no matter the breeder, no matter the lineage, and try instead to focus on other things, just try to think about what will be the future of this breed, it is not continuing these little battles that we win the war ...

thinking and action ....

We have nothing against the love which you have for your dogs we think in the future of the race, it is everything!!!!

I not comming, not have thime for this travel :(

bad future with this type people like you :(

because it comes from a defender of the race who has not taken the precaution not to have
a simple test would have planned this thing
and it is he who gives lessons ....

I am not a breeder, I am a single owner, is the great difference,

Sorry :oops: .. I thought you will coming

yes Daiva, bad future.....

I think new kennel soon in France "la louve des Carpates"

if one believes the new annotations Wolfdog, with the "-! -" the "-? -" (which nobody knows the definition, not even nebulosa) and other pet names, you ask many dogs on you sincerements believe that the future is happy?
by emitting doubts about complete lines? you think people will still pay attention to it much longer?
you emetez annotations on complete lines without any evidence.
it's getting worse ... everyone says ........
but do not want to see anything

The breed is fading thanks to breeder like we can see in France, who have no idea about standard, nor even to know how should a typical dog look like.
The breed is fading thanks to people who cheat, who make mixes and sell with fake papers as pure dogs polluting our small and fragile gene pool.
The breed is fading because people have no idea about what is breeding, and end up paying more attention to what a judge - who have no idea about what is a CzW- said about a stud in question, while at the same time several lines are disappearing because of dogs getting old.
The thing CzW breed more have right now is problems.

The problem of the breed also ends up concentrating in people like you, who support these mixes and even buy them, because it's nice, and instead of treat them and respect them as the mongrel they are, you keep telling it's a CzW, a thing that nor even you believes.
While we have people who support and buy mongrels as CzW also as helps the breeder in hide the problem he is making, we will have people breeding them, simply like that.

Then, thanks to people like you the breed is in such condition.

You have one wolf dog Czechoslovak born under this affix the moment?
no, not for now, we have other interests also cetres of the world does not stop to CLT

nooo you jelous, they love much doggy and puppy thake a FREE :) you bad person Martiou, this all make only WITH A LOVE not for MONEY :)

only bad future in a few countrys, others countrys has now and have in future normal CSW when not make this stupidity and not have this people like this person.

well here is if the race deteriorates it is MY fault, paula, please do you re-read
why my simple little man with a dog that matches what I like, I can destroy an entire race, if this dog was not born, I would NEVER buy another dog ..... because none of the dogs born at that time did not please me, I know Demoniak, I love this dog for what it is for his character that I know well, and have one of those girls, was a joy for me .. . I thank sophie domer daily for entrusting me géméhtoues, but say that I destroyed the race on my own is very important to me that I have, I think ....

You're one who is mantaining the comerce of the mongrels as pure breed, you're supporting it, if someone support then they will keep breeding, simple like that.
You bought a mongrel while at the exactly same time several mongrels exactly like yours are dying in the public kennels or streets.

But lets try to find a bit of logic:
You know your dog does not fit the standard, meaning that if you bought him thinking in a pure breed typical CzW you was mistaken, if you bought him already searching for a mix then you would not spread that it's a pure CzW.
meaning that you was mistaken by the breeder and instead of fight for your rights and try to avoid people to fall in the same lie, you agreed with her in keep breeding mongrels and keep deceiving people.

Yes Daiva, I'm bad person :lol:, I know :lol:

[quote=wolfin;426379]nooo you jelous, they love much doggy and puppy thake a FREE :) you bad person Martiou, this all make only WITH A LOVE not for MONEY :)

quote]

daiva ...... do not talk about what you know .... you do not know the conditions of sale of some puppies .... neither the prices ...

thank you

but tell you one thing, the more you talk the more people will see these dogs, simply by a spirit of contradiction.
and frankly when you see some marriages clt and the result ... it is not ready to turn our eyes to them.
though WD says, though announced without proof, things will not change
as some do continue to breed dogs of 12, but hurry up, dogs are not immortal.

but what you do not want to understand is the dog I chose, it was this one and not another, that's the difference
I was never wrong, no fooling me, I have not lied.
but what you do not want to understand is the dog I chose, it was this one and not another, that's the difference
I was never wrong, no fooling me, I have not lied.
Now I show all my dogs with their affixes whole, I am proud of my "domaine de la combe noire" I am proud of my "p'tits loup d'amour" I am as proud of my "loups de l'ostrevent" .
and us, the more you focus, I would put more pictures, just a spirit of contradiction.

you not understand this joke :) oh yes not strange why.

and next joke- kennel "de louve des carpates" without ... carpates :lol: you make a mistake with kennel name, or mas change a dogs :twisted:

realy this is SO FUNNY :)

Dear Ariminium,

do you really believe all the things you're writing here:help?

Michael

What im trying to understand is if you're dumb because you dont want to accept you were mistaken by the breeder (quite common, specially when you pay a lot for one animal/thing), or if you're dumb because you really keep believing your atypical animal is a pure CzW.
You can post the photos of your dog as you wish, I will be really happy to use them to show how a CzW should not look and how the mixes look like, also as I will be glad if you go to several dogshows, then I will be able to kick out of my list of judges all the ones who does not disqualify your atypical dog.
But dont go spamming all over the forum about bad Admin or Bad moderator because the TRUTH about your dog was shown in public, as if you were innocent.

Nebulosa, michaelundinaeichhorn
like it. 8)

and between us, I would own a CLT without luff, I would put it on the forum anyway ........ this does not restrain myself, and it does not mean that I endorse the sale of dogs not luff.
now it will not change my dog​​, she represents to me what I expected, it is viewed, it is hated, it asks me no problems, the next will be a matter CLT the affix , no matter the rumors, it's a choice I make and I have not fully accountable to anyone.
it is beautiful, it is ugly, it is of another color, I love all dogs, the rest does not matter to me.

Bla bla bla we all love dogs, but we're talking here about the damage these mongrels with fake papers are doing in the breed, stop try to run away of the topic content.

It's not because I have an atypical sick beagle who I love that I should breed with her or support this kind of breeding.

Thus we can conclude that you agree with us and that you know well that your female is not a real CSW :rock_3 :lol::popcorn:

gift I give the picture of my dog ​​here just for you daiva, like that you can use
Now if a judge denies my bitch, or is the problem?

http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/9002/111copie02.jpg

you say:

also as I will be glad if you go to several dogshows, then I will be able to kick out of my list of judges all the ones who does not disqualify your atypical dog.

it will create a shortage of judges in France ..... but it at least has the merit of making me smile such comments, thank you for that

thanks a lot

but mine are ALL LOF ....... not?

is that right that interferes ...

Faked one and you know it very well.

yes are problem - purity :twisted:

paula is you who says, I'm just reading all this with an amused eye, because basically, I amuses me to see all that fuss, but from the beginning you do not UNDERSTAND.
for me it is a moment of relaxation, my coffee, my cigarette, my dogs sleeping at my feet, and the many adventures of WD.
I'd love to read different things, read things that would move the race, things that would really interresting, words that are used, it would be so much ...

paula, tell us of the latest weddings that have been made with intelligence, we speak of the lines approved by the breed club, show us with examples of compliant dogs, and maybe we'll look at some dogs with a different eye ....

seriously, for me it will not pose a problem, but in the opposite case it's yours it's going to be a problem ...

You're surprised by this topic?! O sorry, it's so shocking for you that you yourself had probed to see what is needed for make a new official breed by FCI. :lol:
But I know its too much work, almost impossible without a lot of political contacts, help and years of work, then is much better keep using CzW papers isn't it?!

sometimes still look closer at some weddings, some are excellent, thoughtful, intelligent, sences, but we never see them on the Wolfdog, and yet it is here that we should see them, right??

Last warning for you, dont try to change the topic content.

daiva mixtures while you ........ I have a question one day, because I like to know, that was an issue that has a discution Take affected interresting, do not you think?

it is a question that I was already asked, but I did not answer anything, so I asked the question and I can answer now, you understand the gait?

problem for my? I think not, but I can be a problem :) :twisted:

No, Im not Daiva and I dont, but I really hope it's about this topic, about the mixes you're doing in france, or I will ban you.

I never asked to change the topic, I answer your questions simply, it's simple right?

question is? or bla bla bla bla blabla bla ?

that's what we're talking about since the beginning,no?

this is offtopic

And what you're doing right now also, last chance, hope you make your next reply usefull or it will be the last one.

anyway the children, it is 0:00 ET faloir he will go to bed, I thank you for this exchange and wish you a sweet night

probably tomorrow

Not anymore:

ArImInIuM was banned for being a Troll, well known for cause problems in French forum and now in English, also spamming Administration forum in both English and French versions with nonsenses.

you know, breeding and selling such dogs makes only one thing - closing the borders of Slovakia, Czech and others, so no one can use these dogs in our countries... it is like with mutaras... you have a italian dog? you will have problems here in Slovakia with a proof for breeding...
and I would realy like to know, what does REAL CsW judges say about these dogs... Like Oskar Dora, Sona Bognarova and other from Czech... I would realy like to see them in the ring, with other purebreed dogs...
They are just atypical! beautiful, but atypical for our breed... The standard is only ONE and that is the point of purebreeding. Not to look like pure wolf from USA or Russia, or...! But to be in standard...
I would like to see this animals in real, please, come here, in Slovakia, be my guests and lets talk about them... I will show you the breeding here in Slovakia and show you, why is it IMPOSSIBLE to have such look in pure CsW.

Great post! The best possible summary of the whole thread with reasonable conclusions! :)

For your information, when we made this marriage (Approximately 15/09/2010), no breeder in France and I believe, few in the world, made test these dogs for the dwarfism or the MD....

It is a certainty Arriminium, you are in really ridiculous, stupid ....... You found only that to demonstrate us that we make a mistake ????? :roll:
It is funny, so far, you are just two to have taken out me it to defend you .....:lol: Yes really ridiculous !!!!

It is true that I had one dwarf

http://storage.canalblog.com/04/43/537107/62283353.jpg

but for him and his brother and his sisters, there was not a doubt on his origins :rock_3

Thank you Paula to have banished her, that is going to make us holidays.... :cool3

Congratulations for the listed parents of Demoniak for having DM and DW tests done!

And for Demoniak himself too, of course!

We had the doubtfull luck to be able to have a longer look at the animals in question on the Expo in Reggio Emilia. As photos really don´t show how distressed those animals are I made some videos over 3 hours.
As you can see they are very different to normal CSW in looks and behaviour. The handlers didn´t stand up most of the time and shielded them the whole time. They were so terribly stressed that they collapsed after some hours and layed down, not because they started to relax but because they were so mentally they switched off. Thankfully the animal shown was disqualified by the Czech judge.
In Germany I would have reported them to officials for cruelty against animals, their acting is clearly against German law. I feel sick looking at them again.
No doubt beautifull animals but also no doubt very unhappy and abused animals.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pO5FYxZh3Jo

Ina

Demoniak Diamond N/DM
Doz Wolfsirius N/N
Gunner de loups de l'ostrevent N/DM
Graal de loups de l'ostrevent N/N

All tested in Laboklin!

I can not play the video :?

I can't see the video, is private!

Do you know why my dog ​​was stressed out? Because was his first time in the expo! We only went once again to Serra.
I do not like the expo, I do not need the judgment of a court. If dogs could talk ... try to ask if they prefer to go to expo or walking in a forest! Who knows what would answer....
Unhappy and abused animals? But you have no idea where my dog ​​live? how is treated? how dare you say such a thing?
You can say whatever you want, but not that my dog ​​is unhappy and mistreated because otherwise you've never seen a dog mistreated!

You call a good education of the ill-treatment? It is really ugly the jealousy, I hope that each of the detractors here presents notice as they are ridiculous with the eyes of the others... And then " animals of sophie to domer ", they are dogs, whatever you said about it, and I think that nobody authorized you to film and to spread(broadcast) these images as well as the name of the mistress!