I closed it when I came and read what was written there. And it was also the time when the discussion between Monika and Margo finished - good time to close it.
If you want to start new one new - free will but this time keep to the topic.

You don't know who my friends are. But your argument is unfounded - points have been given to people representing both sides. And also there were none given to people who could get them (M&Ms).

Of course.

If we like it or not we have to get used to this and in my country it is also not much different. If there are some negative opinions/gossips putted around by one breeder then sooner or later it will go to public and there will be answer of the offended breeder. The exchange of the argument can be even instructive. The only question is on which level the conversation will be hold.

I want to underline a positive thing of the last times. The my new litter (Ashoka-Induk) has almost immediately been inserted, the plates of the also of Axel Runningwolf is been inserted in the database in brief terms. Besides I have received a mail from the administration of the site that informed me that the addition had been made to the database.
The service has been fast and good.
Thankyou.

Everything this is for underlining that I don't speak only when they are not well me some things, but also when the things are made well and in excellent times.
I Stay however in attended around the exclusion of Voice of Wolf from the list reproducing, and of the why the reproducers have not been removed without the plates yet And.(Among which my Axel)

Dear Admin,

Is there any special reason why my datas (new owners and HD results!!! ) and my planned litters are not updated?????

I'm waiting for your response!
Thanks,

Edit

http://mainhg.demotywatory.pl/upload...rogy07_500.jpg
;-)

Hi,

Is possible to know when was the last update and when will be the next one?
I have sent datas almost a month ago and nothing happened!!!!


Thanks,

Edit

From what I have noticed Admin updates the base every 2-3 months. Last update was on 10 Jan 8)

Updates
 

Byłem szczęśliwy ..... do tej pory
OK, English... I have been lucky... Until now!

Hi admin, have you got 2 emails with new datas from me? Because I don´t see news in database.
When it will be uploaded, I will send other news about my other litters. Step by step....
thanks Hanka

Last update was done on 01-03-2010. So all the missing information which you mention should be already included in the database.

Ok, thank you, I see. I wills send you other datas.

again more bull from you, 1 you know are dogs all originated from europe, 2 you know the dogs as well as they are on this data base, 3 you know from our breedings that we have mated a pure cws to a pure cws, they may not have FCI recognised pedigrees but they are pedigree dogs none the less, 4 why do you have them on your data base then? this is a feebile excuse for removing the uk breeders,5 why are kennels in Europe who have cross bred been allowed to remain on this data base? big difference in uk is the people who do cross breed dont register there pups as pure bred like in Europe and you guys wonder where the new health problems are coming from,,,,, go walk your dog,,,,,,,

Hi admin, I sent you 2 emails already , with question, if you have my last new datas ....no answer.
So I don´t know if I can continue with sending of new datas over " add owner".
And I sent you 2x results of HD and HD of Valska od Úhoště.
is all OK?

only UP........

Please don't take me personally but... if you want to write something to Admin which is between the two of you and doesn't regard all of us, why do you have to write it here on the forum?:roll::roll:
I mean, if you complain because Admin doesn't update your data then I would understand because it would somehow regard all of us, maybe there is a conspiracy against you and your kennel (yours, Edit's, Riccardo's, Rolf...).
Admin, PLEASE, can you give us a schedule for updating data so we all know what you are up to?
Do you need any help? I'm sure you would find many volunteers ready to help.

No Massimo, I have nothing against her :o)
I wrote a few emails with new dazas, other I sent over "add owner". I see, here was a few updating on page, but nothing new about my kennel. I had from admin (a few months ago) email, where admin ask me about some datas. I sent it, but.....nothing.
In last email I wrote to admin, if I must write something more. but no answer.
I understand, now is much more important things (everything about pups, litters, breeders want sell pups) and I understand it is more importanat than some "old" litters.
But for me is enough: "Yes, Hanka, we have info about your old litters, it will be in database later." Or: "send it once again in email, because "add owner" does not work well and we have not datas from you"
I need not more Massimo.:shake:shake:shake:shake
Admin wont some old datas from me, I arranged it from stud book in Prag, I sent it to WD, but no answer if they have it or no.
I think new admin taked too big work and now admin has not time for everything. it is too much work, datas, fotos, etc.etc. I thing for it must be a litlle bigger team. Not only one really workindg person.

One question Hanka: did you sent the data BEFORE the last update and they were not included in the database? or Did you sent them AFTER it and I have again to write the old text
"THERE WAS NOT DATABASE UPDATE AND BECAUSE OF IT THEY CAN NOT BE THERE. THEY WILL BE VISIBLE AFTER THE NEXT UPDATE"
There is no way to inform people every 2-3 days "Your emails are there, we are working on them"

Sorry for bit angry post but it is really annoying the explain obvious things to the same people over and over again.

PS. Hanka, thank you for your information but your emails were sent AFTER the last update. And will be added after the next update as it was working since severeal years...

I think before.
but if it "waits" to next updating it is OK, only I want know, if it is now "somewhere in system" and it waits. because this "add dog" did not work last time (some months before).
Can you write me if you "somewhere" see- the datas are there?
Or must I send it once again?
thanks
PS. emails you have longer time, but there was not "old litters" only, fresh things.

Hanka, Admin appears to update the database roughly every two months. Here is the link to the database: http://wolfdog.org/ces/dbase/
The date of the last update is under the blue box :)

Massimo, several people offered Admin help in the past, but he (she?) does not seem to be willing to accept it. Since we don't pay him (her?) for the job, we have no option, but accept the two-month schedule :rock_3

Ok, thanks ;-)

Hi,

Please write us the priorities of refreshing datas, as as I see some datas appears immediately, some (for eg. mines ) not corrected/refreshed since long time.
I also would like to know who is that person the admin page who is even ready to communicate and answers the emails......because I still hasn't got any answeres my questions....


so,please put my two pups Ptah and Perun to the "last minutes" part....please write their datas that the father of my "P" litter is Juri Zlata Palz ( if you could save the other datas : names, pics etc) from my own webpage , you could surely see the father of the pups as well, moreover this litter was advertised in the "planned litter" site, as well.

Thank you so much !

Edit

Last update was 17.04..................today is 21.06
Paula..........if it is too much for you, ask some help!!!!
otherwise a lot of us must think you are playing unfair game

Again pointing the finger without knowledge. :lol:
As I'm not Admin I cant help or even reply, then ask him.

yes or not...Anyway it works......Thanks
But a little bit strange that I always have to use open forums to got my rights : (((

Just a question...to admin, to Paula (?)..to somebody who knows the answer.
What is the problem that the datas are not updated ? (I mean nit just mine...but in generaly ???????? )
Nothing work just the forum.

Edit

:shock::shock::shock:
Your Rights?
this is a private owned site...you have NO RIGHTS!! :twisted::twisted:

the site getting useless
no fresh informations
and yes...we have no rights, and couldn't do anyithing...but they could ignor us/our datas/our request

Edit

Edit, all changed. Margo was a super friendly woman when I first met her 7 years ago. She was still friendly - to me - when I had dinner 6 weeks ago with her. But she seems not to have it in her hands anymore.

Massimo, this website is old! More than 10 years. And we all have a comparison how this website was in "good old times"! 6,5 years I told everybody, that this is the best website about dogs in the world. But I stopped. In this website only a few will be supported. And things which they - please do not ask me who I mean - do not want, will not be published. It is a real pitty. They even do not recognize when they get help. I am sorry to say, but the breed csw will be go down, even that there are many. But they are not anymore original. They are in development like Saarloos wolfdogs started years ago.

Christian

You right and you are wrong at the same time. It is true what you wrote here but Wolfdog is not dying. What you see - all the problems with updates aso - are caused by the work which is done here. We alredy started to redesign the pages. Most of the work which has been done till now is not visible for you because we work on the databases. The visible changes as new database, system and design will be aplied first in the end of our work.

Today I will upload the new database and first new big changes will be visible...

You have to count it in plus. Thanks to the fact that Wolfdog.org is a
"private" site the content here can not be influences by any clubs or groups. It is open to all breeders of purebreed Czechoslovakian Wolfdogs. And the rules are really simple - all we ask as "payment" is your cooperation.

Sure there will be always people who complain about it: puppy producers which want to sell their puppies on this pages but don't want to spend the time to send any information about their dogs (they always complain that they are persecuted by us). Breeders of ill or not "checked" dogs (also claim that their dogs are discriminated).


I really don't want to call anybody by name but most of the people who complain over and over again are mutt breeders, resellers or/and puppy mills. They make the biggest mess on the forum.
(not all but most of them)

Before somebody would misunderstand me: I realy don not want to hurt anybody, especial those who are working on this site !
I do not believe that this site is old or go down. This site...when it works...is realy usefull,have compete database from the beginning.
But sometimes appears questions which are never answered.
The peresent situation would have been enough to write (answer prive email also) that the problem is nothing else but working on the changes.
It is not easy to co-operat, if many of us haven't got any answer/feedback for our requests/questions etc.
I mean for me....this is seems to be qite one-side politic and not co-operation.

Don't worry - I didn't get it this way. I wrote my answer only to let people know that the work goes on even if the last changes are not visible...so far...

Everytime I upload the new database I answer all emails to inform the users that the sent information has been added...

I'm not able to write everyone information that I get the send data as we get more than 20-30 emails every day. But in the future we will prepare a bot which will inform users that we get their emails...

Really? strange...
I have Collaborated with WD giving as much info on my own dogs and on dogs I found on the streets, unknown to WD database and took pics of them and sent them to Margo, been giving info as Much as I could.
Not once did I receive a "thank you", considering I don't breed I have never posted an advertisement on this site, just pics of my dogs and the few "coverings" my male did were thanks to the dog shows I attended in CZ.
The content of this site is decided and influenced by who owns it, well this is my opinion of course.
Decisions are not taken "democratically" so there is always somebody who is deciding using single minded (or almost) parameters.
Just look at who are the people who are moderating the various Forums, of course they are the most "friendly" people and not always the most "objective" ones...the ones who became "unfriendly" have been deleted from the forum (I refer to Mirka for example)

I am not complaining here as I chose long time ago to use this site as a useful platform to get "some" information, surely NOT ALL and NOT ENOUGH.
It's a pity because with times like these Internet should be the best solution to unify data and this site was on the way to become the best possible platform but neither I or many others like me believe it any more (and by "others like me" I don't mean only Christian or Edit :rock_3)

So, at the end of the day, I thank for the existence of this site, to the owners of the site, to those who work on it and dedicate their time FREE OF CHARGE as it is very very very useful for this breed but who thinks to LIMIT their knowledge ONLY to this site should think again and widen their horizons A LOT!

The life with the internet makes life very fast and much information is given fast. 5-7 years ago wolfdog.org seems to be actual and fast enough. But in the last, let´s say 1,5 year, things changed and went back, slower. This side does not go with the real life.

Massimo is completely right, years ago it was enough to look over here to get newest and important information. But in these times today, it is obviously not enough. It is one media out of serveral. The developement of wolfdog.org could not follow the real life. I do not know why this happens. I only can imagine.

It could not be that for example the information about the worlddogshow is not presented because italian dogs won all over! I remember after the speciality in germany in may the results were shown next day! And why? Yes, you are right, because Margo was there!

This website is single minded and make truely csw dog politics! But as we all see not for use to the breed but use for some people only. It became more and more real private, like my own website.

And same as Massimo did, I did for 6 years and I am surely one of the german who were often in camps and in the east. I try to find the middle way. I do not like when people fight and everybody makes his own business. What happens we can see now. Only people who are in business know what is going on, and even they do not like Daiva showed in another thread - and got personally, although I only wanted to help the breed -, the rest.... I truely do not want to be a starter in csw world in this times.

And sorry, it is not an excuse that all is done in private and without paying. I think Margo got a lot back from this side. She is one of the big breeders now! There are only a few breeders who do so much litters. And wolfdog was the start to do more and more dog websites, so wolfdog is a starter for this business. That is ok, but so she got payed!

Christian

Hello admin,
please can you write when you plane next updating? I was on bonitation with my male
http://www.wolfdog.org/ces/dbase/d9542.html
and with my female
http://www.wolfdog.org/ces/dbase/d10353.html
They have bonitations from April, but we can´t see results.
We (breeders) will look at new males in breeding for our females, but we have not chance to see results of their bonitations. Now will be new season, females will be in heating......Everybody will need fresh info for choosing of next parents.....
Last updating was 16.4.2010................
A few people offerd you help with administration...

The weird thing is that as far I'm informed "thanks" to some Czech CzW owners there can be only one admin and only one person can work on the database. And never there will be another admin even if I would need any help.

And this fact and also the fact that I'm rebuilding the database cause huge delay.

The new update will be done first when I will finish the work with the database.
If you do not like it do not blame me but look for responsible people around you.

Hello admin
I don´t know why you don´t work on database and I don´t care about it (if you have some problem with some czech person.....)
I only want to have fresh info on WD. Not only mine info, results, but info about all dogs. People wait updating very long time.
I don´t want blame you, but I only want know when will be next updating.
Somewhere you wrote it will be every two months. So we wait updating about 16.6. But nothing hapenned. So what we can think about it? Maybe you have not time, maybe it is too much datas from people, every day a few emails with fresh datas from people...
Now you write it will be when will work new database.....I read threads about some new database maybe 2 years...(Groups of breeders, coloured names of "bad" kennels, coloured names of "mix" breeders etc. etc.), but never something hapenned. So I think, now will be the same. We will wait long time some news in database, but on WD will not be fresh infos. It is a pitty.

It is, why Massimo etc.offered you help. I think nobody think in it something bad or something against you....
I think now you must have in email box hunderds mabye thousand of messages from people whitch want to write on WD some fresh infos, datas.
In this moment I know people which told me : "I will not send fresh infos to WD, because it will not be there". It is a pitty.
great is automatic system for fotos. Big a pitty is, the same does not work for other datas too.
Is it possible to do automatic system for it?

Sorry but you don't get it. I work about 10 hours every day since 3 weeks only on the database. Good I have holidays right now.
Before I spent a huge amount of time only asking breeders to send me the information which I needed. Now it will work on different way - I willl no more loose time on the senceless work - the breeders with missing information will be removed automatiocally. Thanks to this I will have finally time to work on Wolfdog. And not to ask some breeders for years to send me the missing data (in many cases the same breeders react within few hours when they kennels are removed).

No. Because many breeders... lie. You will be wondered how many fake HD-results we get. Even from the "best" breeders.
We will make automatic only parts which can be done without any control. The rest must be verified.

Ok, thanks for answer.

Hanka, why I not have problem with databasa. If want know dogs bonitation go to bonitation section, If want know who dog have HD, ED results I written to owner or call to him.
I think Admin work ok :) only are people who all time cry about "bad life, and jelous rival"

You have no problem Daiva, because you are friend of those, who organize this site.....and your datas updated immediately
But most of us have to wait months......

Edit

you think? I not.
Missing info- Laudaj temperament test who we make in Poland in 2010 05 :)
missing bonitation, exams, missing show results (min 4 dog show ) and CH results :)

I am this same user like and others, only I not make hystery when I mas wait for my dogs all info.

Daiva...........see our page.....even missing father of the litter......missing CH results (several) , and not put the ads just when I wrote to the open forum........
you know,you are not right...........

for my Admin is ok, for You not :) and this is not my and Admin problem, but You and Admin :) ... maybe ...

nice day

I can´t see Barons Charactertest (was in last year ;) )

But it´s not so big thing... I don´t care.

Also info of my dogs are missing....And yes I am EVEN also one of the modarators! ;)
But I don't complain about missing info, because I know just like Daiva that it is a huge of work to receive info of owners and breeders and to update this site! :shock
We all (moderators and admin) work for Free and we spend a lot of our time in this site for the breed and for you all!! :rock_3

And NO I am not a special friend of the owners of this site or the admin! (I realy even don't know who she or he is!!!)
But I am glad there is such an international site with a lot of info for and about the CsW breed! :cool3 (does anybody knows an international site lke this for another breed ??)

And this site with a lot of info about the breed in several languages is just the reason why I cooperate as a moderator !:)
And that is only the reason why I do invest a lot of time with collecting info for the admin instead of complaining about missing results ;)

Interest
 

Dear Admin!

My kennel was deleted from the breeders' listing.I would like to know what is the reason?

As I know, I have sent all the requested information..
I do not understand...
Please explain the reason.
Thank you in advance!

Regards:
Aniko Molnar
vom hause Norky kennel

Exactly!
Also, as Daiva mentioned - you can always e-mail the owner of a dog and get all the information needed. You can get newest photos, HD results and the plans of bonitation or training exams :) Maybe we are just a little bit spoiled by having all the info "on plate", aren't we? 8)

Hi admin,
thank you very much for uploading of datas of my dogs, changing of gallery of Valska and yes, my Assisi is always living :lol:.
Thank you.....

Thank you, admin :):):)

Quick question on the new database...some dogs are listed with !!!MIX!!!, others with !!!Non-FCI!!! - there is another group of dogs that says
!!!REG!!! - what does this refer to? Thanks!

Delete
 

Dear Admin!

My dog's: Odette Crying Wolf, Lara Crying Wolf and Nork von Neckartal was deleted from my kennel ownership and the latter dog Nork deleted from the stud dog's listing.


I would like to know what is the reason?
As I know, I have sent all the requested information..

I do not understand...
Please explain the reason.
Thank you in advance!

Regards:

Aniko Molnar

vom hause Norky kennel

If this happened just today - I think it is okay. The system is going through some updates, I think. You will also notice many planned litters were erased overnight - they were all missing overnight, and re-appeared today, and also some kennels have disappeared. But I am sure after updates everything will be back again.

Mix are dogs like Mutaras, dogs that have no pure CSW parents.

Non-FCI means kennels that are no registered FCI-kennels, what means no FCI-pedigrees. The German kennel "vom Böhmerwald" is a kennel but not member of the VDH/FCI.

Reg very likely means registered dogs, in the FCI there is the possibility of phenotype-registration. Dogs that look like a breed can get registration pedigrees and their offspring gets this kind of pedigrees for as far as I remember 4 generations, after that they get normal pedigrees. If you take for example Amber, she is of parents with full FCI-pedigree but not bred under any kennel but underwent phenotype-registration.

So phenotype can be based purely on whether a kennel is FCI registered or not - not necessarily on whether a dog is known to be of pure lineage (which Amber obviously is)? We have a similar type of phenotype registration here, but it is for dogs with unknown parents (which terrifies me for our breed...). AKC doesn't require any kind of kennel registration (I wish they did), so this hadn't even occured to me for FCI. Thanks!

Marcy

No, the phenotype registration only needs a dog that looks like a CSW. There are registered Mutaras and others. Wolfdog only has them as mixes if they know they are.
Originally registration was a good thing for breeds like for example the Picard which has not so many FCI-registered dogs but there are still working dogs with shepherds without pedigrees.

Is phenotype registration still available? Why would it still be available for a breed already fully recognized (ie., not provisional) by the FCI and its comprising kennel clubs?

Marcy, were you alluding to the AKC's FSS' take on registering dogs with no known parents so long as the dog physically resembles said breed? That's effectively an open stud book and that that worries me too ...

Yes, it is available in the FCI but the Slovakian Club decided not to accept registered dogs and doesn´t register as far as I know.
But it can´t be prevented that other countries register them and that was how the Mutaras got into breeding. http://www.wolfdog.org/deu/dbase/d8668.html
It would make sense in the case of dogs like Amber to get a paternal DNA for proof and than at least give informations in the registry-papers but the parents and other ancestors don´t show up in the papers. So all information is lost.
I don´t think registration is bad in general if it is handled with paternal proof or like in the case of the Picard helps to get more dogs into the breeding gene pool but it gets a big problem with mixes or parents that didn´t fullfill the the breeding rules by failing the health tests that are required.

For Admin:

Hello I'm Roberto From Italia,
-please I cheak and found that you take off my dog: Storm Arimminum from list of reproductor.Why? Storm is HD A and ED 0. And he is DM N/N.

-and please you take off my kennel " Dei Maggio" from list of Breeder in Italy.
Why.?
I just spoke with several my friends and have similar problems.

Please can you specify me reason?

B.regards
Roberto Maggiorani

I think that we have to show some patience; please note that there are more data lost (surely temporarily) like for examle the names of owners.

ok.I wait new work from Admin.
Thank you
Ciao
Roberto

Spanish ??
 

Where are the spanish breeders in listing of breeders ?

Seems to me that they have completely disappeard just like the spanish language forum ....

What has happened ???:nervous

Uhm.. the Spanish forum is still there here...
Make sure you didn't hide the Spanish forum by clicking at the small round button with 2 sets in the right side of the clear blue tag bellow the english forum (in what would be the "head" of Spanish forum).

I don't see Spanish flag in my language list, so how do I unhide it?

Guys, there is clearly some work going on wd! Disappearing data, doubling posts, etc. etc. indicate that things are happening at the other end.
Give the Admin or Przemek or whowever struggles with it some peace to complete the task. The alternative solution would probably be closing the site until the reconstruction is completed.

I think it would be a good idea if Admin let the users know when the job is finished, so that then people could check their data and claim errors if they find any.

Admin, can we count on such piece of useful info? :)

Hi admin, please can you add to WD my planned litters? I sent you info a few weeks before. Now I see there are new litters, but not my.
Thanks, Hanka

Well, there never was a Spanish flag in the webpage, because the Spanish version of wolfdog keep waiting the new version, so we have only the Spanish version of the forum. :p

Your kennel is missing in the database, like mine and all Spanish, North American, Canadian & others kennels, as Rona already explained some work is going on here.
Admin warned about this fact (that he is working in the database) before.

OK. Do you know when it will be OK? I mean: a few days, a few weeks, a few months......

I really hope that soon, this problem is pretty serious as it turns difficult (if not impossible) to find the contact of owners/breeders with the missing datas.

OK, thanks for your answer.

My kennel is in the database, but my comming litters are also not updated.........

Also my litter desapear...I added back the property of my dogs, I reinserted my account as a breeder, I reinserted the litter at least two weeks, but nothing ...Ascolta
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