neither have i ;)

didnt realise kizzy had died tho :(

Sadly she died whelping Csv/wolf F1 pups, about 6 months ago?

I think meeting up is a very good idea. Would I Invite every one? No.

I'm more than willing to help divise a strategy for the csv in the uk. After all, if I'm going to complain publicly as I do about what is wrong, than I should be prepared to put my money where my mouth is and help to make it right.

Taz

This is just what we need so go for it!

Import a dog is not like buy carrots in the market, no good breeder would send a dog for a "breeder" who simply does not care about basic things as bloodlines even if he is his neighbor! Now imagine to another country, to a "far away" place!!!
But you're not only asking for a dog, a pup, but for tested breeding females in breeding age, are you so naive to believe any person would send you a GOOD dog in such conditions?

I will, provided people can actualy stand the thought of having to work with me lol. I doubt I'm on many people's top 10 list right now.

...And I don't even own a csv yet, I must be crazy.

Taz

it's nice to have well kept facilities but that is not the only determinate in creating well bred dogs.. ..... what about raising up the individual bitches so you know their strengths and weaknesses in character, so as to make intelligent choices in mates that'll be compatible?

and in the US the minimum age for OFFA hip scores is 24 months = 2 years old. Is the UK on another system?

Will you really get a breeder licence if you have bred mixes? :shock: :shock: Of what breed(s) breeder are you then???

I find it really humorous, that you, just like Mr Winder and his friends use the same argument over and over again... Some individuals abuse animals, but it doesn't give anybody any right to do so, does it? :?

To tell you the thruth I would be more interested in reading if/how you socialize and train your dogs, what do you do with them apart from letting them run in the enclosed area, play and reproduce. Provided you breed CSV you must probably be checking their working abilities (?) - do you do tracking with them or maybe obedience, defence, dogtracking or agility? Have you ever taken them to any dog schools? Have you passed any exams with them? Which training methods did you find most suitable for your CSVs? What is the temperament of your dogs? Are they friendly to strangers/children/other animals? How do they behave in the streets and public transport? Do they make you laugh? What behavioural problems do you face with them? Etc. etc.
So far, of British owners only Layla has been writing of Tupac and Tassle and happyfeet about their dogs as of family members and friends; others - as of (sorry for the expression) cattle on nice farms :(

Offerring animals you're responsible for decent living conditions and vet care is such basics, that I feel surprised you, just like other pup producers from the UK put so much emphasis on it. Especially, that noone has ever blamed either you or them for not caring about the animals. :|

BTW The breed orignated in former Czechoslovakia and thus where its name comes from, not is Slovenia, Hungary and Austria. :twisted:

My Dog is a happy family member, who is extremely well socialised, but I never shouted it, because to me that is the norm to do with any dog not just CSV, and i may be able to get hold of a function room 1 mile off junction 23 of the m6, near Haydock racecourse if people want to meet up and get started

unless its near a a train station....no chance :(

also...does anyone know if the 'cw' dogs here are from 'suspect' litters?

does anybody anywhere know what are the suspect dogs/litters :cry:?

at the moment the most used is the 'bva' which allows a dog to be 'scored' at a year old(i do not see the rush,and if the bva system is used would prefer the dog to be fully grown)...personally i like the 'penn hip' method but hey lol.

Is there a train station near by? If not some of us may have an issue getting there.

I will probably e able to find somewhere with convenient rail links in my area, provided those of you in the south, don't mind a trip to the epic industrial north lol.

Taz

iv just done a quick google search for the racecourse and had a look at the closest train station, came up with this ...

http://www.haydock-park.co.uk/finding-us

I am not sure whether we should hurry up with that meeting. First, I think, we need to consider who should be in the ‘active group’ .We will not achieve anything good, and will only discredit against KC, if this group will include mixes breeders, or owners of mongrels. I have nothing against mongrels, or their owners, but if the breed is to be recognized by the Kennel Club, it cannot be represented by them. Neither by people who have previously crossed the dogs. KC otherwise will simply LOL on us. The same is true with regard to the future of the CSV in this country. When I say breed, I mean pure breed, so for breeding should be used dog not leaving any doubts about their pedigree. This is just my opinion.

I'm glad to hear it! 8) It's not about shouting, but sharing, or rather who finds what worth sharing :)
It's just a pity that statistically we know least of UK vlcaks as of individuals. I've always wondered why...:?

Brukne, Frei, Misha, Hronec, Rasty, Raksa, Jolly, Tsijki, Jezzi, Imbus, Luna and Pollux, Marcy's, Daniela's dogs and many others are like our good acquaintences, I'm almost sure I'd recognize them if I saw them in the street. While of all Brirish CSV we only know Tupac, well maybe also a bit of Kaya. Don't you find it strange?

Even if some mix producers are not very enthusiastically received here, I'm sure the dogs would always get a warm welcome. 8) Sad, so few UK owners feel like sharing the joy and problems of raising their vlcaks with other owners.

Maybe this is another area worth considering and a good point for starting mutual understanding and cooperation between British/continental owners and breeders?

i agree... and its partly why i asked the 'cw' question.

I would be willing to help in any way I could, but that rules me out.