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Old 21-03-2012, 19:38   #21
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Someone did put it, and for sure it was Admin because he is the only one who have acess to the database, when something new is added to the database, Admin post in a hidden forum what does it mean and ask all moderators to translate it to their own languages and add it in each forum.
It didn't happen yet what make us think that Admin was having problems enough and have had no time to post it at the moment.
Also there is the possibility of the informations be wrong, as there was an server crash not long ago which messed up with several informations.
I was searching for more dogs with the symbol (_!_) and I found Fallko Kollarov dvor with this mark, i'm quite sure he isn't a mix, then we really need to wait Admin explain what does it mean.


PS: Out of my fertile imagination, for me this (_!_) will be ever a butt!
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Old 21-03-2012, 19:59   #22
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PS: Out of my fertile imagination, for me this (_!_) will be ever a butt!
that's it!
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Old 22-03-2012, 01:03   #23
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Thanks to the widespread use of the site wolfdog.org in Europe, the behavior of the owner of the domain (Margo Peron) and the Administrator officially declared (Paula Pandolfo) makes them complicit with this phantom admin of defamation and unfair competition, offenses punishable by European laws implemented by individual member states, especially in the Criminal Code. I agree with Martha that it is not worth to an individual owner to sue for them, but if the situation is not resolved quickly, I invite anyone interested to contact me to study the possibility to make a common cause. It's cleare that with any proof and no evidence of nothing, admin can not sign as a mix a dog that have all document complitely in order. The only reason admin have is the one to preserve owner of the website, is kennel and his soldier as Daive is in a world where today competition is strong and them dog are not at level of other. As reading in other page now is time that wolfdog.org understand that he is not referrent of the breed.

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Old 22-03-2012, 08:38   #24
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.... the Administrator officially declared (Paula Pandolfo) ....
Proofs, proofs! Where are the proofs?!....
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Old 22-03-2012, 13:04   #25
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Thanks to the widespread use of the site wolfdog.org in Europe, the behavior of the owner of the domain (Margo Peron)
I hope you FULLY understand what you are wrote right now and you know what will be the consequences according to the European Law in the case of unfounded slanders and aspersions. I know you are writing those words at the command of your breeder but I do not care about it any more: it is a serious case and I have already enough of the lies spread by your breeder and also by owners of her puppies like you.

So please prepare the proofs and post them here within 24 hours. I hope it will be more than the photos manipulated by your breeder which she posted on Facebook. She has already compromised herself enough as a breeder and a member of the CsW community - she was a black sheep in the Czech Club when she started the breeding in CZ and it seems she decided to keep the way.
But now I wait for real proofs from YOU. After 24 hours I will start to ask for consequences against your person. Because freedom of speech in this forum do not mean that everybody can post any lies without and proofs! And it apply also to you!

At the moment I can write in public comment to your text: YOU ARE A LIAR. And as opposed to you I will be able to prove it in the court. I have already enough of your whole gang which consist of people sick with envy whose goal is to blame others. And who are doing it just for fun: without any proofs. I know your breeder is going crazy as after so many years of breeding she didn't reached ANYTHING. Her kennel name is famous but not thanks to the achievements of her dogs but "thanks" to the topics like those:
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=19642
http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=21527
Or because of angry words said and written by other breeders who were landered by her.
It is really sad to see other (I though serious) people are joining her. But it is YOUR choice.

Now I'm waiting for your apologies (I know that you do not show any proofs because they do not exist). 24 hours.
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Old 22-03-2012, 13:45   #26
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is kennel and his soldier as Daive is in a world where today competition is strong and them dog are not at level of other.
The topic of Daiva you should really leave! Yes, there is a competition in the CsW world. And it is strong. And if there is a GOOD breeder then the only possibility to "fight" with him is to spread the lies about him. And it is what Hanka do for example about Daiva. They are the BEST examples of it - of the sick situation which appears in the CsW world.

I have no idea why Hanka is so crazy about Daiva. So envy about her. But it is visible already since several years. I think Hanka is envy because Daiva is on a level unattainable for her when it comes to the information about breed and knowledge about Wolfdogs. Hanka is breeding dogs longer but I really doubt if she will ever know so much about them as Daiva do. It is my opinion.
Some people say it is the "stud dog fight" - both own sons of Kondor but while the dogs of Daiva became much more popular and because people wrote many positive opinions about him the funny lies started to appear. About missing tooth, aggression, wrong bites. Guess who is the author of these lies? BINGO.
And she is spreading the lies about Daivas dog even if everybody an see it is her invention (the dog is already champion of several countries and was judges and bonitated by judges from the origin countries who didn't found any faults).
Anyway she is keeping to spread the lies. Daiva was for a long time more than that. Till she discovered that Hanka is doing much more tha "stud dog fighting". One time they met in Latvia(?) person who wanted a puppy from Hanka. The woman spoke so much bad opinions about Daivas dogs. After a talk she send Daiva email(s?) she get from the "Czech CsW guru" - Hanka. I saw one and I know what Hanka wrote about Daivas dogs. LIES, LIES, LIES. Really nice dogs became "aggressive without any reasons", aso. Believe me - for me it was enough to convince me that Hanka is a unscrupulous person. Since this time I do not wish any contact with her. The only letter I saw would be enough for Daiva to drag Hanka to the court.
I understand why Daiva did't do it: on the contrary to Hanka she is not breeding dogs for money. She do not need to care for the "market" and selling huge number of puppies. She really loves this breed. People who know Daiva, and who know what is going on in the CsW world do not care for people like Hanka - Hanka will be not able to destroy Daivas good image as breeder even if she will start to spread 2x more lies about her. But at the same time I really understand why Daiva is so angry about Hanka and I support it.

And it do not only apply to breeders from other countries. There is a really good kennel in CZ - z Údolí ticha. With great dogs and breeder who really care for his puppies and is doing really good work! I already heard REALLY bad opinions about his dogs said by Hanka. Only because this man is doing a great work in CZ and people from abroad appreciate his work. It was enough for her to blame his dogs.

So not Daiva is a "soldier" of anyone. She is just a victim of lies spread by Hanka.
But YOU ARE a soldier of Hanka. Unfortunately I doubt if you can be proud of it.
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Old 22-03-2012, 15:30   #27
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Margo, you know why my dog is (_!_)?
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Old 22-03-2012, 15:39   #28
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Margo
1) I’m able to understand when I make a mistake, so you are right, from 10 days ago 14/03/2012 when the ownership of the domain were removal it’s not more possible to reed who are today owner and official admin of the website.
2) It’s cleare that 10 day ago were difference, but the only prove easily to see is older of about two year, when you confirm what I said (http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthread.php?t=13252)
3) Due to that the only people that can resolve the matter is simply (due to the reason that you are not) is new owner/admin.
4) One question, who is that should command me? This point is not clear, I saw that wolfdog.org marked my dog as (_?_) and I pretend that this was cancelled immediately due to the reason that as you said “you know what will be the consequences according to the European Law in the case of unfounded slanders and aspersions”, so please if you know who is new admin give him/her my message
5) Hanka Hanka Hanka, I’m really not interest in matter about you Hanka Daiva (a people that I don’t know, so I’m sure we are speaking of really nice person, the same for you and Hanka) but those are not my problem, I’m asking for myself and my dog. Breeding, money and so on are not my problem I’m simply a people that want respected his right, I’m not a breeder I’ve not a kennel and I have several friend owner of many kennel in all Europe. For me are all friend without problem.
6) As you said competition is strong in CsW world, and also in this point I’m not involved, my work is other, but at the same time there is competition and competition, what wolfdog.org is doing is simply unacceptable.
7) It’s clear that for me to, if there is a battle that should win to preserve our wonderful breed is the one about mix. It’s clear that what wolfdog.org is doing now is only a big confusion only use full for somebody.


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Old 22-03-2012, 16:57   #29
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Margo, the problems between Hanka and Daiva aren't us problems. They must solve that between them.
We just want to know what does mean those symbols. Why certain dogs are ! and others ? !
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Margo, the problems between Hanka and Daiva aren't us problems. They must solve that between them.
Of course it is not your problem. But it is the reason of many lies spread around - also by Max Paini.
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Max, I gave up administration of Wolfdog long time ago exactly because I didn't wanted to be involved in any wars where I was not the involved part. For a long time I was the goal of gossips spread by all these producers who were angry that Wolfdog.org exists: they were angry that Wolfdog made impossible the cheating of the new owners: it was no more possible for them to cheat about the HD-results, bonitation results and working or show results. It made them so furious.

Some time ago they were able to pull me in their mess by making me responsible for everything. Now it is over and believe me - I will not allow to do the same now. If my name appears in similar topics one more time - I will not let it...

Previously, I was able to pull in their swamp.

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5) Hanka Hanka Hanka, I’m really not interest in matter about you Hanka Daiva
Unfortunately exactly Hanka is a person who is spreading the lies about 'Margo the administrator' (for example of Facebook). What you wrote here is just an echo of her words.

It is only one point on the huge list of lies spread by her. And the reasons of her lies are clear to me. But this point concerns me and I'm not going to let it so.

PS. About the '!' and '?' you must ask the people who are responsible for it. I asked some time ago and there is still no answer...
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PS. About the '!' and '?' you must ask the people who are responsible for it. I asked some time ago and there is still no answer...
Do anyone know who is responsible for it?
Margo didn't you (or Paula or I don't know who) transfer the web site to someone? Which is the name of this someone?

Gosh, it's more difficult to have the name of this person than to find who's behind a Switzerland trust company!
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Exactly, the owners should contact their breeders and ask them to check the dogs instead of attacking people, who just try to save the breed from mixes...
So this is how one 'saves' the breed?

I don't think so.

This is just a desperate act out of frustration, stirring the pot, not a solution. Not at all.

We have a saying: when pointing at someone else with one finger, it is actually pointing at one self with the other 4 fingers.
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This is just a desperate act out of frustration, stirring the pot, not a solution. Not at all.
And there's valid reason for frustration...
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Admin, why don't you change the "-!-" into "- -"
Let's see what happens then

I really don't understand why people are reacting so badly! Especially those who hate wolfdog.org so much! Does the sign make your dog different? Less beautiful or less obedient? If you know what animal you have at home, why be bothered by any silly marks?

If this could help the breed, I'd welcome as many signs at my dogs name as possible.
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Proofs, proofs! Where are the proofs?!....
I thought the rule is still true, that one is not guilty until proven guilty.
But, correct me if I'm wrong.
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I thought the rule is still true, that one is not guilty until proven guilty.
But, correct me if I'm wrong.
1. That's why if Paula, Margo or whoever is guilty of being Admin, the person who blames them should prove it. Or may be you are for double standards?

2. http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showpos...4&postcount=15
Any constructive propositions as to how to obtain the proofs?

BTW where did you find information that the mark means the dog or a breeder is guilty of anything?

In my understanding it only marks kennels that refuse to cooperate towards clearing the mess connected with mixbreeding...
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So, that is what I say...............
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So, that is what I say...............
Oh, OK. I got it now!
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Works for both sides .
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