Litters with unknow HD-results: should be removed or not?

[Mikael]

Originally Posted by Margo

The same is with HD-results. In Czech Republic the club choosed the good way and publish all HD-results. They are fair and hide nothing. But what is the result - in some cases the Czech breeders are worser evaluated than some breeders from other countries which send only good HD-result and spread the information "my puppies are much better than the Czech because in CZ some have HD and all my dogs are only HD-A or HD-B"...
I guarantee you than many puppy buyers will choose let say French kennel with 50 dogs bred where you have only 5 dogs with HD-results all of them HD-A (and maybe 10 other dogs which were tested but the results are hidden because the dogs were HD-C, HD-D and HD-E) and not the Czech kennel where the breeder has 20 puppies - 15 tested with HD-A and HD-B and let's say 3 dogs HD-C. Because in the first case they will see only HD-A results, and by the Czech kennel they will see HD-A, HD-B and HD-C...
Hiding results really works and it is also the reason why so many breeders do not want to publish all information...

Yes I agree, but way do you let them sell puppy´s on this lovely site whitout HD results at all ??? when it clearly destroy´s the breed.

Best regards / Mikael

[Margo]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Yes I agree, but way do you let them sell puppy´s on this lovely site whitout HD results at all ??? when it clearly destroy´s the breed.

To be honest we still think about it - because to be honest NO GOOD BREEDER WILL BREED WITHOUT HD-RESULTS...
So if the Wolfdog-users are for it we will make it so and remove ALL litters with unknown HD-results by the parents...

It is YOUR decision....

[Margo]

Originally Posted by Mikael

Yes I agree, but way do you let them sell puppy´s on this lovely site whitout HD results at all ??? when it clearly destroy´s the breed.

One more remark: such problem do not exist for litters in Czech Republic, Slovakia and Germany because there the Clubs solved it: you can not breed dogs which are not HD-tested.
So there is only the question of publishing litters from Italy, France, Holland and Hungary (in Poland we solved it on unofficial way and with one exception all breeders use only x-rayed dogs )...

[Vaiva]

In my humble opinion - the litters of parents, who are not HD tested should not be announced here Is there a possibility, lets say, to vote about ir on wolfdog.org?

(In fact i think that also litters of not bonitated parents should not be announced here, but I also understand there would sooooooo little litters then...)

[Margo]

Please vote....

[elf]

Should be announced, to avoid "hiding things", but with a big warning marked along .

[Hanka]

Hmmmmm, good idea... i think, we want (I hope) to do our breed better. So I mean: Not liiters without HD results and not litters without bonitations....It is hard, but we want to have CZECHOSLOVAKIAN WOLFDOGS and not "some wolfdogs".
Maybe Margo, you will have problem with not complette database. But-maybe- some "producers" will start "to breed" wolfdogs. If no, not pitty of theese dogs....It is nothing good for breed. Look at offer of breeding males: how much males have HD result AND bonitation ???

[Hanka]

Hi hi, sorry , I am a litlle OT: the nervosite start to be bigger, because nobody react to adds here (on Wolfdog) of "some" breeders and they are a little in a panic

[elf]

Maybe Margo, you will have problem with not complette database.

No need Hanka. You would just have different part in the DB: "green part" and "red part"... it's better to track the most possible.

[Juniorwolf]

I think it would be at shame not to have a complete database.

Not all countries have law saying that you must have HD or bonitation for your dogs to breed, even I think it would be better for the breed if it was like that, but in all matters(not only for the good of our breed) everybody will have a lot more benefit with helping people in the right direction by giving them a hand and argue for what we think is best for our breed, instead of excluding them ! Not all have to have the same ideas and opinions like me to be my friends, when you turn your back at people they don`t have a chance to improove, why not help them instead ? in this way we will have a better and stronger breed at the end and maybe other countries will follow the example of Czech rep., Slovakia and Germany ?
This is my opinion !

Rolf

[Margo]

Originally Posted by Hanka

So I mean: Not liiters without HD results and not litters without bonitations....It is hard, but we want to have CZECHOSLOVAKIAN WOLFDOGS and not "some wolfdogs".

First we can do what is POSSIBLE to make... X-rays can make everyone in his country.
To make bonitation it is not so easy because you can not to travel 100 km (as in Czech Republic) to the next bonitation but sometimes 1000km or 2000km... When the club will start to organize bonitations in their own countries and it would be no problem for everyone to make this test we will also make it as the condition to have litter posted here....