Stud dogs - IMPORTANT!!!!

Margo · 13-09-2007, 00:16

New changes are coming... maybe even improvements..

Because a number of stud dogs increases rapidly - in some countries the requirements for studs are minimal (sometimes it's enough when the dog has pedigree - sometimes even that is not required). So in order not to loose breeders' precious time we decided to make their life easier and we did some "screening". So....

1**** from stud dogs listing we removed PERMANENTLY all dogs that contains unknow ancestors in their pedigrees. It means that wolfdog.org will NEVER advertise litters coming from ancestors of doubtful origin (it affects dogs that are registered with unknown origin).

It involves also 'MUTARA's (and their italian 'version') - NONE of their offsprings (even when 'Mutara' will be in 50th generation) will not be advertised. Also NONE of the litters where the breeder owns so called Mutaras (illegal wolf crossings) or Mutara offsprings. This will be programmed into the site.
In the future database every database card of EVERY dog that contains unknown ancestors will have notice that WARNS before its possible use in breeding... Wolfdogs are not a "natural" breed which was developing for centuries and you can't meet them in "nature". We know origin of EVERY wolfdog and we do not need unknown individuals which can bring potential faults in health, exterieur and character...

2**** from the stud dogs listing we remove all dogs that do not have HD results (Hip Displasia). This requirement is fundamental - every responsible breeder will not breed on dogs without HD results independently of requirements in their country.

At the same time all dogs with HD results that are not confirmed will disappear too. So if your dog has stud dogs status, has HD results and it does not appear on the list we ask you to contact us and send copy of OFICIAL HD results....

Hanka · 13-09-2007, 18:03

Great work Margo

Margo · 13-09-2007, 23:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Margo

New changes are coming... maybe even improvements..

I wrote it wrong way...

We have equality of rights for the same apply also to females...

Females with UNKNOWN origin and without HD-results will be no more marked as "breeding bitches".

IMPORTANT - breeders which own females without HD-check will DISSAPEAR from the kennel list... I verified the results by ENCI and removed ONLY females which are not in their database... So most of you do not have the reason to worry about...

So - if you have a stud dog with HD-check and he is NOT on the stud dog list 'Elenco dei riproduttori'
....OR.....
you are a breeder and you are not on the kennel list 'Allevatori'
please get in contact with us so we can fix it....

About the HD-results - you can submit them on three different ways:
1) You can scan the result and send it via email
2) You can make a photo of the result and send it via email
3) you can make a copy and send it as a letter to us

Mirkawolf · 14-09-2007, 11:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Margo

So - if you have a stud dog with HD-check and he is NOT on the stud dog list 'Elenco dei riproduttori'
....OR.....
you are a breeder and you are not on the kennel list 'Allevatori'
please get in contact with us so we can fix it....

Is this "witch hunt" directed only at Italian dogs, or are you going to apply the same also on French, Belgian, German and other wolfdogs, who are being happily bred on without HD results? I think some equality in the countries would not hurt, either.

Right now, at this moment, Wolfdog.org has no problem to advertise Slovak litters with parents without known HD result:
http://www.wolfdog.org/ces/litters/702.html
http://www.wolfdog.org/ces/litters/707.html

Margo · 14-09-2007, 12:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf1

Is this "witch hunt" directed only at Italian dogs, or are you going to apply the same also on French, Belgian, German and other wolfdogs, who are being happily bred on without HD results?

In the fact the italian "witch hunt" has nothing to do with it...

Anyway it was not the reason... We had this idea already 2 years ago but first now we have finally the possibility to make the changes... More will follow...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf1

Right now, at this moment, Wolfdog.org has no problem to advertise Slovak litters with parents without known HD result:

It is you fault - all Slovaks litters are made with HD-checked parrents... but we have problems to update the database frequently. It is the reason that by some dogs the HD-results are missing. The same with kennel names...

Mirkawolf · 14-09-2007, 12:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Margo

It is you fault - all Slovaks litters are made with HD-checked parrents... but we have problems to update the database frequently. It is the reason that by some dogs the HD-results are missing. The same with kennel names...

Why would it be my fault, that you have problems to update the database? That is your fault, guys.

For a person who does not know your troubles, there is no difference. The dog does not have HD results named, so the litter should not be there. Not everyone knows, what conditions are in Slovakia.

The same way, some Italian dog or other dog can have HD results, but the owner had "problems to update Wolfdog.org on the results", for example. You will kick that litter out. But you will not kick Slovakian one, because YOU know, the dogs are probably x-rayed.
No wonder, some people get seriously pissed about this.

No HD results, no advertisement. For everyone. That would be equal.

Navarre · 14-09-2007, 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf1

The same way, some Italian dog or other dog can have HD results, but the owner had "problems to update Wolfdog.org on the results", for example. You will kick that litter out.

For italian dogs is very simple to verify : you can see official results published on italiain kennel club website ( www.enci.it)

For other litters I think that is simple too for the breeder to send a copy of HD results to WD to have this litter published.Even if the databsse is not updated !

I think we all should respect MORE the hard work of the webmasters of this site. (Is not to you Mirkawolf, but too often we read something bad about WD on italian forum

)

Angelika · 14-09-2007, 16:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirkawolf1

..... German and other wolfdogs, who are being happily bred on without HD results?

You are wrong, Mirka. There is no German breeder (listed on wolfdog.org) who is breeding without HD results.

Angelika

Mirkawolf · 14-09-2007, 17:06

Quote:

Originally Posted by AngelikaMenzel

You are wrong, Mirka. There is no German breeder (listed on wolfdog.org) who is breeding without HD results.
Angelika

I did not say, that that there was at the moment any German breeder listed, did I?

massimo · 14-09-2007, 17:16

there may be a misunderstanding so ... let's try to understand:
Margo, will litters WITHOUT official HD results, may that be in slovakia or italy or germany or lithuania or werever, be published in the near future?
Like the two mentioned by Mirka for example.
i believe that her statement is undoubtly correct:
"For a person who does not know your troubles, there is no difference. The dog does not have HD results named, so the litter should not be there. Not everyone knows, what conditions are in Slovakia. "
So, just a straightforward question:
I think, in this case, the luckiest of all will be actually the italians, because margo can check easily the HD results or we can just send a hardcopy of the official data on site.
Because, if i'm not wrong, margo said that NO HD will be considered official if the written proof is not shown.
Please let us know your position.
massimo

Mikael · 11-10-2008, 22:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Margo

New changes are coming... maybe even improvements..

Because a number of stud dogs increases rapidly - in some countries the requirements for studs are minimal (sometimes it's enough when the dog has pedigree - sometimes even that is not required). So in order not to loose breeders' precious time we decided to make their life easier and we did some "screening". So....

1**** from stud dogs listing we removed PERMANENTLY all dogs that contains unknow ancestors in their pedigrees. It means that wolfdog.org will NEVER advertise litters coming from ancestors of doubtful origin (it affects dogs that are registered with unknown origin).

It involves also 'MUTARA's (and their italian 'version') - NONE of their offsprings (even when 'Mutara' will be in 50th generation) will not be advertised. Also NONE of the litters where the breeder owns so called Mutaras (illegal wolf crossings) or Mutara offsprings. This will be programmed into the site.
In the future database every database card of EVERY dog that contains unknown ancestors will have notice that WARNS before its possible use in breeding... Wolfdogs are not a "natural" breed which was developing for centuries and you can't meet them in "nature". We know origin of EVERY wolfdog and we do not need unknown individuals which can bring potential faults in health, exterieur and character...

2**** from the stud dogs listing we remove all dogs that do not have HD results (Hip Displasia). This requirement is fundamental - every responsible breeder will not breed on dogs without HD results independently of requirements in their country.

At the same time all dogs with HD results that are not confirmed will disappear too. So if your dog has stud dogs status, has HD results and it does not appear on the list we ask you to contact us and send copy of OFICIAL HD results....

Good work !!!

But way don´t require HD and ED on ALL dogs that is used in breeding and sold on this lovely site ???

Best regards / Mikael

Mikael · 12-02-2009, 21:39

Quote:

2**** from the stud dogs listing we remove all dogs that do not have HD results (Hip Displasia). This requirement is fundamental - every responsible breeder will not breed on dogs without HD results independently of requirements in their country.

At the same time all dogs with HD results that are not confirmed will disappear too. So if your dog has stud dogs status, has HD results and it does not appear on the list we ask you to contact us and send copy of OFICIAL HD results....

But I just like you Rolf, wounder about the roules,
as there is still dogs in the "Stud dogs" now 2009,
whitout HD results or Bonitation results...

So I ask to...
What is the roules for a Stud dog, now 2009 ???
( as the quote is from 2007 )

Best regards / Mikael

admin · 12-02-2009, 21:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikael

But I just like you Rolf, wounder about the roules,
as there is still dogs in the "Stud dogs" now 2009,
whitout HD results or Bonitation results...

One (Aron) it there because there is small mistake in the database which will be fixed during the next update. Diego has the German ZZL and X-rays already for longer time - the result will be updated soon....

Mikael · 12-02-2009, 22:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by Admin

One (Aron) it there because there is small mistake in the database which will be fixed during the next update. Diego has the German ZZL and X-rays already for longer time - the result will be updated soon....

Thanks

But are there any other roules than HD x-ray ???

Regards / Mikael

Juniorwolf · 12-02-2009, 22:39

So if I understand it right, only official HD-results is needed ...not bonitation ?

Greetings Rolf

admin · 13-02-2009, 12:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikael

But are there any other roules than HD x-ray ???

The dog must be a FCI registered stud dog (+ must be HD checked also in countries where x-rays are not the part of breeding requirements).

Juniorwolf · 12-02-2009, 20:08

What is needed for a male dog to be considered a stud dog/breeding male ?
Because in the stud dog list here on WD.org there are some dogs without bonitation and HD-results, so I was wondering what is needed to be considered a stud dog/breeding male ?

Greetings Rolf

Hanka · 12-02-2009, 20:13

Hello rolf,
I don´t know what you need in your country. Every country has a little different conditions for males- as breeding males.

Juniorwolf · 12-02-2009, 21:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hanka

Hello rolf,
I don´t know what you need in your country. Every country has a little different conditions for males- as breeding males.

Hello Hanka,
In Denmark is only needed 2.place in national or international dogshow in Denmark for CSW. ...But I was thinking on the list of stud dogs here on WD.org, maybe this was not the right place for this question ? ...sorry !

Greetings Rolf

Mikael · 12-02-2009, 21:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolf

What is needed for a male dog to be considered a stud dog/breeding male ?
Because in the stud dog list here on WD.org there are some dogs without bonitation and HD-results, so I was wondering what is needed to be considered a stud dog/breeding male ?

Greetings Rolf

Maby this link has the info you wont ???

http://www.wolfdog.org/forum/showthr...light=studdogs

Regards / Mikael

13-09-2007, 00:16	#1
Margo Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Późna Posts: 1,281	Stud dogs - IMPORTANT!!!! New changes are coming... maybe even improvements.. Because a number of stud dogs increases rapidly - in some countries the requirements for studs are minimal (sometimes it's enough when the dog has pedigree - sometimes even that is not required). So in order not to loose breeders' precious time we decided to make their life easier and we did some "screening". So.... 1** from stud dogs listing we removed PERMANENTLY all dogs that contains unknow ancestors in their pedigrees. It means that wolfdog.org will NEVER advertise litters coming from ancestors of doubtful origin (it affects dogs that are registered with unknown origin). It involves also 'MUTARA's (and their italian 'version') - NONE of their offsprings (even when 'Mutara' will be in 50th generation) will not be advertised. Also NONE of the litters where the breeder owns so called Mutaras (illegal wolf crossings) or Mutara offsprings. This will be programmed into the site. In the future database every database card of EVERY dog that contains unknown ancestors will have notice that WARNS before its possible use in breeding... Wolfdogs are not a "natural" breed which was developing for centuries and you can't meet them in "nature". We know origin of EVERY wolfdog and we do not need unknown individuals which can bring potential faults in health, exterieur and character... 2** from the stud dogs listing we remove all dogs that do not have HD results (Hip Displasia). This requirement is fundamental - every responsible breeder will not breed on dogs without HD results independently of requirements in their country. At the same time all dogs with HD results that are not confirmed will disappear too. So if your dog has stud dogs status, has HD results and it does not appear on the list we ask you to contact us and send copy of OFICIAL HD results.... __________________ . The customs of your tribe are not laws of nature - George Bernard Shaw

14-09-2007, 17:16	#10
massimo Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Prague 6 Posts: 2,090	there may be a misunderstanding so ... let's try to understand: Margo, will litters WITHOUT official HD results, may that be in slovakia or italy or germany or lithuania or werever, be published in the near future? Like the two mentioned by Mirka for example. i believe that her statement is undoubtly correct: "For a person who does not know your troubles, there is no difference. The dog does not have HD results named, so the litter should not be there. Not everyone knows, what conditions are in Slovakia. " So, just a straightforward question: I think, in this case, the luckiest of all will be actually the italians, because margo can check easily the HD results or we can just send a hardcopy of the official data on site. Because, if i'm not wrong, margo said that NO HD will be considered official if the written proof is not shown. Please let us know your position. massimo __________________ ---------- Oliver & Lunatica Last edited by massimo; 14-09-2007 at 17:18. Reason: added a quote!

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Juniorwolf Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 575	Stud dogs - IMPORTANT!!!! What is needed for a male dog to be considered a stud dog/breeding male ? Because in the stud dog list here on WD.org there are some dogs without bonitation and HD-results, so I was wondering what is needed to be considered a stud dog/breeding male ? Greetings Rolf Last edited by Juniorwolf; 12-02-2009 at 20:10. Reason: edit text

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13-09-2007, 18:03	#2
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Great work Margo

12-02-2009, 22:39	#15
Juniorwolf Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 575	So if I understand it right, only official HD-results is needed ...not bonitation ? Greetings Rolf

12-02-2009, 20:13	#18
Hanka Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Kadaň Posts: 1,622	Hello rolf, I don´t know what you need in your country. Every country has a little different conditions for males- as breeding males.