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Old 29-02-2012, 13:39   #41
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[quote=Hanka;424124]Hi Hedeon,
I don´t know you, you don´t know me...Can you write me why you give me together with some croses?
Thanks for answer.
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You are right. For some time I was convinced that one of your pups landed up in OrkWolf Kennel in UK, despite of warnings about this breeder in Czech forum. If it is not true, then I do apologise Hanka.
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Ok, thank you.

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Old 29-02-2012, 14:12   #43
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Hi All,

New to the forum, I followed the link from the website.
Although it looks like i had joined this forum a long time ago.
I hope we can get this majestic breed recognised in the uk.
I would like to know from anyone who has imported a puppy to the uk.
I was just looking for an idea of cost to import , from which country.
Hi Obbie, and welcome.

Thing is it is not easy to tell straight how much it's gonna cost you, beside of fact matter of money should not be your first concern when thinking about importing CSV. But there is how it looks like more or less:

money your breeder will ask for puppy - different from breeder to breeder, country to country. Note that your dog will have to stay with a breeder additional 7 weeks more than a pup which is going to stay local. Also additional veterinary care must be taken.

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cost of transport. what is distance to travel? Are you taking a plane, or car? Maybe train? I personally would not trust very much to breeder who offers to me posting a pup to UK. Obvious reasons. Also, every respectable breeder will want to meet you in person at least once.

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Cost of stay. You may stay there few days, you may need hotel room, or some food. Maybe breeder can offer to you to stay at his place for day or two. Again, talk to breeder.


I can only tell you that in my case it is around 700-800 pounds with trip to Poland. Your can be different. Most importantly, it will be less than a price you will have to pay for a possibly cross with no FCI papers in UK.

Stay here, look for a while. On main page you can see incoming litters. If you want advice, or by getting yourself a CSV you will like to help our cause we may suggest something. If we want to establish proper population of CSV in UK, we will need many different, quality lines. I, personally, don't know much about breeding and genetics, but can contact you with someone who does.
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Hi Obbie, if you wish, I give you contact to my UK owners of pups. Write me.

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Old 29-02-2012, 14:50   #45
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Hi Obbie, and welcome.

Thing is it is not easy to tell straight how much it's gonna cost you, beside of fact matter of money should not be your first concern when thinking about importing CSV. But there is how it looks like more or less:

money your breeder will ask for puppy - different from breeder to breeder, country to country. Note that your dog will have to stay with a breeder additional 7 weeks more than a pup which is going to stay local. Also additional veterinary care must be taken.

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cost of transport. what is distance to travel? Are you taking a plane, or car? Maybe train? I personally would not trust very much to breeder who offers to me posting a pup to UK. Obvious reasons. Also, every respectable breeder will want to meet you in person at least once.

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Cost of stay. You may stay there few days, you may need hotel room, or some food. Maybe breeder can offer to you to stay at his place for day or two. Again, talk to breeder.


I can only tell you that in my case it is around 700-800 pounds with trip to Poland. Your can be different. Most importantly, it will be less than a price you will have to pay for a possibly cross with no FCI papers in UK.

Stay here, look for a while. On main page you can see incoming litters. If you want advice, or by getting yourself a CSV you will like to help our cause we may suggest something. If we want to establish proper population of CSV in UK, we will need many different, quality lines. I, personally, don't know much about breeding and genetics, but can contact you with someone who does.
hi obbie

as said, preferably many new lines are needed in the couuntry,but even if that is not your priority i would take your time,talk to many breeders(hopefully home bred rather than large kennels)learn the lines and types which there are a couple,u wouldnt want a high energy csv if u do not plan to train in any competetive disciplines etc,the standard price for a healthtested vlcak should be around the same price wherever but extra costs incurred whilst being held by the breeder may vary,as will the exporting depending on the mode of transport etc...a good breeder will discuss this with u,dont be scared of asking them many questions,and dont be surprised that they ask many of u(which a good breeder will)

[quote=Hanka;424270]Hi Obbie, if you wish, I give you contact to my UK owners of pups. Write me.


advert hanka?

we(as in the uk) need varied lines as i would imagine even u know
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Old 29-02-2012, 15:01   #46
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Are you going to put information up on the vicakuk website about lines and genetic diversity in the CsV ?
I would guess most people considering a CsV would not even know where to start when thinking about importing
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Are you going to put information up on the vicakuk website about lines and genetic diversity in the CsV ?
If I would have such article it would definitely go to site. But I know very little about this things, so I can't write it myself. What I meant in post above was more about avoiding to import of close relatives, CSV gene pool is very small.

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I would guess most people considering a CsV would not even know where to start when thinking about importing
This is maybe a good idea of writing something more about whole process. Thanks Murph
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Old 29-02-2012, 20:52   #48
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Hi All,

New to the forum, I followed the link from the website.
Although it looks like i had joined this forum a long time ago.
I hope we can get this majestic breed recognised in the uk.
I would like to know from anyone who has imported a puppy to the uk.
I was just looking for an idea of cost to import , from which country.
Hi Obbie
I am new to the forum as well, I imported a pup from the EU last month and I am going to collect one next month as a companion, I have researched this breed since 2008, It would be a good idea to do as much research as you can. Just rember it can be very traumatic for a pup to travel such a long way in one go so planning is key.
pm me if you want more info
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Old 29-02-2012, 21:30   #49
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I imported a pup from the EU last month and I am going to collect one next month as a companion,
Wow, congratulations!!! Could you tell us what dog you've imported?
I guess it'll be important for further UK owners to know which lines are already represented in the UK ...
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I am new to the forum as well, I imported a pup from the EU last month and I am going to collect one next month as a companion, I have researched this breed since 2008, It would be a good idea to do as much research as you can. Just rember it can be very traumatic for a pup to travel such a long way in one go so planning is key.
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the bit in bold confuddled me what was the first pup if the second is to be a companion?
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Old 01-03-2012, 09:51   #51
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Thank you all for the information.
Money is not my main concern but it would be the first stumbling block, and being able to plan for this would be great.
I was looking for a general sum, preferable from people who had done this before.
The kind of example would be:
I got a puppy from Germany and I transported the pup back on a train and it cost about £500.
I was not looking for exact costs from each breeder.
I understand that costs would be higher to get a dog imported into the UK, I was just looking for a general figure.
Thank you for the offer Hanka, but I would not like to waste your time as I would be unable to import a pup this year.
My current dog has not completed her training, so currently would not have time give a new pup.
I’m currently trying to get to know everyone and understand the full situation in the UK and Europe.
I will continue to read this site with interest, and hope I can become an active member
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Old 01-03-2012, 11:33   #52
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Great attitude Obbie

Maybe as people import more pups, there will be a bit more info on the costs involved (over and above the purchase of the puppy) It's the kind of information that is good to share as it will help people like you in the future.

One thing I have noticed is that the ferry companies seem to be cashing in on these new relaxed import regulations 4 years ago, we brought 2 cats out of the UK - there was no charge for them on the ferry as they had to stay in the vehicle (Dover-Dunkirk, a very quick crossing). I looked up the same crossing and now they are quoting about £30 per animal - and they still have to stay in the vehicle!! Grrrrrr
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the bit in bold confuddled me what was the first pup if the second is to be a companion?
Companion for the first puppy I presume
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Companion for the first puppy I presume
No she already has 3 other dogs, these 2 were bought purely for breeding thats why she got 2 unrelated pups getting the female first, if it was just for companionship she could of got 2 from the same litter, and had them spayed,
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Wow, congratulations!!! Could you tell us what dog you've imported?
I guess it'll be important for further UK owners to know which lines are already represented in the UK ...
When I asked her I was told that when i was looking for another dog to ask the breeders if they had exported to UK before, and refused to tell me who were the breeders
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When I asked her I was told that when i was looking for another dog to ask the breeders if they had exported to UK before, and refused to tell me who were the breeders
Really? What transparent approach! I wonder why so secretive? Aranwen seems proud of his new pup and puts Marron's photos on FB! So are Nebulosa, Amanda, Marcy, Yukomari, her sister, Jonatan from Spain, Italian & French owners, and many, many owners who imported vlcaks from central Europe!

I thought the new regulations would enable British owners come with their dogs to various vlcak meetings, camps, shows, participate in exams, endurance runs and bonitations. If Spanish, German, Dutch , French owners/breeders can participate, why couldn't the British ones? I thought the 'new owners' from the UK intended to become part of the international vlcak community, share their joys and problems with others, but I doubt if this is possible with "anonymous" dogs.

Wolfheart, here, on the continent we are proud of our vlcaks and of their kennels names. (Even if they are not perfect ) Aren't you? Anyway, I still hope to get an answer from you
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Old 02-03-2012, 20:45   #57
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Hello forum
As a new member I thought I would give it a whirl and say hello. I had been a guest seen your reactions to members and did I did think twice. Its a shame that you go directly on a offensive, although I don’t know the history of why you treat new members with this manner.
I wasn’t sure if it was correct to disclose your dogs names as I am new to the forum .
What ever happened to friendly warm welcome ?
I have research this breed, visited many owners in Europe and adored this dog since I was a boy.
I am not a ‘breeder’ but a devoted and thrilled owner who is determined to do the best for the breed with either of the ‘provisional clubs’.
It wouldn’t benefit the breed if I had bought 2 dogs and had them spayed and as a caring owner my first plan would be to learn, show and become involved with clubs to promote the breed and my dogs. I attend training classes, I plan to spend time in Europe with my dogs visiting events/shows and learning from other owners how to get the best out of my dogs.
‘breeding’ dogs is not my priority especially if they are not recognised in the UK Breeding two FCI dogs will not produce FCI puppies therefore I would only be adding to the problem we have here in the UK It would not help the breed.
I have joined the other club and as an open minded owner I felt it would be a great idea to check out both before making a plan. Although your warm supportive welcome is perhaps lacking here. In my honest opinion.
Its worth remembering other new owners are being directed here from your website and I would advise you collectively get your ‘house in order’ as not to put off genuine interested new owners and prospective ones. Your actions here are most important and a reflection of your club. If you want high regard then you really should show more care to your manner towards new members.
I wont enter into a online debate I don’t have the time and hardly online.
I am clear on my goals for my dogs and the hard work devotion I have to now face with great enthusiasum to train develop and work to promote the breed.
Enjoy your day mine is full of socialising, walking and enjoying my puppy!
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Its a shame that you go directly on a offensive,
Do you call offensive my congratulations on you getting a new pup or the question about its name?

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I wasn’t sure if it was correct to disclose your dogs names as I am new to the forum . (...) I have research this breed, visited many owners in Europe and adored this dog since I was a boy.
It's hard to belive that somebody who has "research this breed, visited many owners in Europe" has not come accross this site and this forum. And if you have, then you'd know it was correct to disclose your dogs names and proudly put them in the profile under the section "about me"

Anyway, despite my doubts and reservations, I honestly wish you good luck with your pup and hope it'll grow to a fantastic dog and great friend of yours.
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Hello forum
As a new member I thought I would give it a whirl and say hello. I had been a guest seen your reactions to members and did I did think twice. Its a shame that you go directly on a offensive, although I don’t know the history of why you treat new members with this manner.
I wasn’t sure if it was correct to disclose your dogs names as I am new to the forum .
What ever happened to friendly warm welcome ?
I have research this breed, visited many owners in Europe and adored this dog since I was a boy.
I am not a ‘breeder’ but a devoted and thrilled owner who is determined to do the best for the breed with either of the ‘provisional clubs’.
It wouldn’t benefit the breed if I had bought 2 dogs and had them spayed and as a caring owner my first plan would be to learn, show and become involved with clubs to promote the breed and my dogs. I attend training classes, I plan to spend time in Europe with my dogs visiting events/shows and learning from other owners how to get the best out of my dogs.
‘breeding’ dogs is not my priority especially if they are not recognised in the UK Breeding two FCI dogs will not produce FCI puppies therefore I would only be adding to the problem we have here in the UK It would not help the breed.
I have joined the other club and as an open minded owner I felt it would be a great idea to check out both before making a plan. Although your warm supportive welcome is perhaps lacking here. In my honest opinion.
Its worth remembering other new owners are being directed here from your website and I would advise you collectively get your ‘house in order’ as not to put off genuine interested new owners and prospective ones. Your actions here are most important and a reflection of your club. If you want high regard then you really should show more care to your manner towards new members.
I wont enter into a online debate I don’t have the time and hardly online.
I am clear on my goals for my dogs and the hard work devotion I have to now face with great enthusiasum to train develop and work to promote the breed.
Enjoy your day mine is full of socialising, walking and enjoying my puppy!
I would like to wish you good luck with your new dogs and agree, while reading all these comments, it does put you off . My advice is '' don't get involved with breed politics '' enjoy your dogs for what they are no matter who bred them
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Hello forum
As a new member I thought I would give it a whirl and say hello. I had been a guest seen your reactions to members and did I did think twice. Its a shame that you go directly on a offensive, although I don’t know the history of why you treat new members with this manner.
I wasn’t sure if it was correct to disclose your dogs names as I am new to the forum .
What ever happened to friendly warm welcome ?
I have research this breed, visited many owners in Europe and adored this dog since I was a boy.
I am not a ‘breeder’ but a devoted and thrilled owner who is determined to do the best for the breed with either of the ‘provisional clubs’.
It wouldn’t benefit the breed if I had bought 2 dogs and had them spayed and as a caring owner my first plan would be to learn, show and become involved with clubs to promote the breed and my dogs. I attend training classes, I plan to spend time in Europe with my dogs visiting events/shows and learning from other owners how to get the best out of my dogs.
‘breeding’ dogs is not my priority especially if they are not recognised in the UK Breeding two FCI dogs will not produce FCI puppies therefore I would only be adding to the problem we have here in the UK It would not help the breed.
I have joined the other club and as an open minded owner I felt it would be a great idea to check out both before making a plan. Although your warm supportive welcome is perhaps lacking here. In my honest opinion.
Its worth remembering other new owners are being directed here from your website and I would advise you collectively get your ‘house in order’ as not to put off genuine interested new owners and prospective ones. Your actions here are most important and a reflection of your club. If you want high regard then you really should show more care to your manner towards new members.
I wont enter into a online debate I don’t have the time and hardly online.
I am clear on my goals for my dogs and the hard work devotion I have to now face with great enthusiasum to train develop and work to promote the breed.
Enjoy your day mine is full of socialising, walking and enjoying my puppy!
Hi Wolfheart,
I'm a new member also and understand what you’re saying.
However, if you look back through threads on this forum, or put the breed into a GOOGLE search you will see why people on here act this way.
I find the comments are less offensive/aggressive and more suspicious and protective.
Looking at past threads and links I can see why breeders on here will look at new owners (particularly from the UK) with suspicion, and I see it as justified.
But you should never be embarrassed about your dogs, they wouldn’t be embarrassed of you
(I think mine was once though when she refused an agility jump, so I jumped it and said look it’s not that hard)
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