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28-10-2008, 20:17 | #1 | |
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Litters with unknow HD-results: should be removed or not?
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Best regards / Mikael
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29-10-2008, 11:42 | #2 | |
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So if the Wolfdog-users are for it we will make it so and remove ALL litters with unknown HD-results by the parents... It is YOUR decision.... |
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29-10-2008, 11:48 | #3 | |
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So there is only the question of publishing litters from Italy, France, Holland and Hungary (in Poland we solved it on unofficial way and with one exception all breeders use only x-rayed dogs )... |
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29-10-2008, 13:22 | #4 |
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In my humble opinion - the litters of parents, who are not HD tested should not be announced here Is there a possibility, lets say, to vote about ir on wolfdog.org?
(In fact i think that also litters of not bonitated parents should not be announced here, but I also understand there would sooooooo little litters then...) |
29-10-2008, 13:31 | #5 |
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Litters with unknow HD-results: should be removed or not?
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29-10-2008, 13:35 | #6 |
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Should be announced, to avoid "hiding things", but with a big warning marked along .
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29-10-2008, 14:04 | #7 |
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Hmmmmm, good idea... i think, we want (I hope) to do our breed better. So I mean: Not liiters without HD results and not litters without bonitations....It is hard, but we want to have CZECHOSLOVAKIAN WOLFDOGS and not "some wolfdogs".
Maybe Margo, you will have problem with not complette database. But-maybe- some "producers" will start "to breed" wolfdogs. If no, not pitty of theese dogs....It is nothing good for breed. Look at offer of breeding males: how much males have HD result AND bonitation ??? |
29-10-2008, 14:06 | #8 |
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Hi hi, sorry , I am a litlle OT: the nervosite start to be bigger, because nobody react to adds here (on Wolfdog) of "some" breeders and they are a little in a panic
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29-10-2008, 14:32 | #9 | |
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To make bonitation it is not so easy because you can not to travel 100 km (as in Czech Republic) to the next bonitation but sometimes 1000km or 2000km... When the club will start to organize bonitations in their own countries and it would be no problem for everyone to make this test we will also make it as the condition to have litter posted here.... |
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29-10-2008, 14:33 | #10 | |
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29-10-2008, 14:39 | #11 |
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I think it would be at shame not to have a complete database.
Not all countries have law saying that you must have HD or bonitation for your dogs to breed, even I think it would be better for the breed if it was like that, but in all matters(not only for the good of our breed) everybody will have a lot more benefit with helping people in the right direction by giving them a hand and argue for what we think is best for our breed, instead of excluding them ! Not all have to have the same ideas and opinions like me to be my friends, when you turn your back at people they don`t have a chance to improove, why not help them instead ? in this way we will have a better and stronger breed at the end and maybe other countries will follow the example of Czech rep., Slovakia and Germany ? This is my opinion ! Rolf |
29-10-2008, 14:55 | #12 |
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But Margo, in EVERY country can be club for this breed and this club CAN do bonitations. But I see how BIG problem it is somewhere.
And I think, of course, in every country is some doctor what can do X-ray result. |
29-10-2008, 19:26 | #13 |
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You know what I think Margo...
Throw them out the back ... Best regards / Mikael
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29-10-2008, 20:07 | #14 |
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Sorry, I missunderstod...
Maby it would be enough to not let them sell litters on this site ??? Regards / Mikael
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30-10-2008, 11:21 | #15 |
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I voted no, because I understood the question as whether the litters from not Xrayed/bonitated parents should or should not be included in the database and visible to anybody. But I thing they should not be included in advertisement of puppies.
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30-10-2008, 12:20 | #16 | |
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But I think like you, it would be better whit a complite database and not let them sell the puppies whitout HD results. This way in a short distance future all breeders will add the HD results to the database by (free) will. Best regads / Mikael
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30-10-2008, 12:40 | #17 |
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Hmmm. And: what we can see from adds on this site. In this moment is there 74 adds. 47litters have parents WITHOUT bonitation. It can be potentential danger, the pups will have some exterier defect, gen defect or parents have too bad character. Hmmmm. 21 litters is from parents (or one parent) without HD result. So pups from 21 litters can be bad for future breeding, they CAN have some problems. Only 29 litters (from 74!) is without problem and new owner will have hogher %, the puppy will be health and OK. Really, good result of short history of our breed.....
But in some countries somebody will NEVER control, if wolfdogs are health and stabil breed. And we will tell to everybody: "Yeees, it is health breed, it is good breed for training, for sports. " ha ha ha Really sad view to our breed from countries of origin, what hapenned with this breed. So Margo, I can tell you, what will be result of our voting....29:45 if will vote every person, what have adds here....29 for good future of our breed against 45 of producers. Maybe hard words, but true. |
30-10-2008, 14:45 | #18 |
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my 2 cents:
All litters should be allowed an ad on this site, without HD results, with Bad HD results, without bonitation, even those coming from kennels which Margo decided not to advertise any more () To do a good service to buyers, these litters should be showed SEPARATELY!! Group 1) hd results and bonitation Group 2) hd results and no bonitation (for some countries bonitation is not compulsory so it is not always "fault") Group 3) no complete Hd results (even if only one parent has...) and no bonitation. I believe people would start worrying and want their litter to be in group 1... Maybe group 1 should have most evidence and the others will appear down on the site and only if you scroll down... So, NO censoring new litters but distinguishing between breeders who work hard and get results and breeders who don't care. Massimo
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30-10-2008, 14:58 | #19 |
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Maybe you do not have the problem with "purebreed' dogs without pedigrees in Italy But here in Lithuania people often say "oh, I don't need a pedigree - I won't breed the dog, do not want to go to shows, I just want a purebreed friend and I want it cheap". In the way you recomend we will have "cheaper dogs' list" and "more expensive for snobs". If the litters just will not be advertised, maybe at least 1 "breeder" from 10 will decide to make HD ("if that ugly witch Margo wants that badly" )
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30-10-2008, 15:18 | #20 |
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I analysed the actual litters and, considering "youth" bonitations as not good for breeding (we all know how youth bonitations do not take into consideration certaing factors and shouldn't be considered as valid for breeding...), the new advertisments for litters would look like this:
Group A litters: both parents with HD results and Bonitation nov-08 1 z Holštejna nov-08 20 z Údolí ticha nov-08 20 z Blatnických vinic nov-08 28 Taabernakkelin nov-08 30 Waawanyanka dic-08 1 z Kopá?kova dvora dic-08 1 od Úhošt? dic-08 5 von der Wolfsranch dic-08 15 de Molay dic-08 19 z Revíru vlk? dic-08 21 Kuklík dic-08 22 Polární vlk dic-08 23 z V?rné sme?ky dic-08 29 spod ?umbiera dic-08 31 Braterstwo wilczaków gen-09 10 z Údolí st?íbra gen-09 12 Tasha gen-09 15 la Blackwolfdog Cie gen-09 15 St?íbrný úpln?k gen-09 17 Norský vlk gen-09 20 z Datova ráje gen-09 24 vom Dreiburgenblick gen-09 25 z Devínskej g gen-09 31 Sioux Tala feb-09 1 Foresta Incantata feb-09 6 ??? feb-09 17 Olim Palus feb-09 21 Outlaws Heaven Group B litters: both parents with HD results but not with Bonitation ott-08 10 Terre dell'Est nov-08 10 Yggdrasill nov-08 22 Sulle Orme del Lupo dic-08 1 od Úhošt? dic-08 12 du Domaine de la Combe Noire dic-08 20 Crying Wolf dic-08 20 du Domaine de la Combe Noire dic-08 23 del Montale dic-08 29 ??? (priv de Angeli) dic-08 29 du Domaine de la Combe Noire dic-08 29 Braterstwo wilczaków gen-09 1 z Peronówki gen-09 1 Arimminum gen-09 3 delle Ombre d'Argento gen-09 16 Grey Diamond gen-09 18 Casa della Rosa gen-09 24 vom Westerwälder Berg gen-09 25 Crying Wolf gen-09 25 z Peronówki gen-09 27 Outlaws Heaven gen-09 30 Wilczy Duch gen-09 30 Lupi di Monte Morello feb-09 1 Foresta Incantata feb-09 15 Foresta Incantata ott-08 15 de la Mollynière de Lo'Scale Group C litters: both parents NOT with HD results or Bonitation nov-08 8 Lupi dei Camurati nov-08 10 les P'tits Loups d'Amour nov-08 13 von Neckartal nov-08 15 ??? (priv Ascheri) dic-08 1 z Orel Ochrana dic-08 4 Gardiens de la Cour dic-08 5 Gardiens de la Cour dic-08 6 Balze del Lupo dic-08 10 de la Louve Blanche dic-08 12 della Vittoria Alata dic-08 15 von Königs-Terry dic-08 20 la Valle del Lupo dic-08 20 Crying Wolf dic-08 25 il Paradiso del Lupo gen-09 1 z Orel Ochrana gen-09 15 Inguz Felan gen-09 15 de l'Ange Gardien de Faujus gen-09 15 de l'Ange Gardien de Faujus gen-09 25 Crying Wolf feb-09 5 de l'Arche du Férion mar-09 1 de la Louve Blanche What do you think? massimo
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