Wolfdogs heart rate study

elf · 01-09-2007, 09:14

The heart rate of Voltcha worries me, in repose around 40 by minutes, rather arythmique. How is it your dogs ? Thanks.

Anthony

michaelundinaeichhorn · 01-09-2007, 16:22

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Originally Posted by elf

The heart rate of Voltcha worries me, in repose around 40 by minutes, rather arythmique. How is it your dogs ? Thanks.

Anthony

arythmique is normal in dogs, they have a respiratoric arythmia, what means it is corresponding with the breathing.
But 40 is quite slow.
If you are not sure you should get it checked by a vet.

elf · 06-09-2007, 08:37

It seems to go better, around 60 pulses/minutes today and only the normal respiratoric arythmia left.

She had one week of Cortison treatment for skin allegia (Dermipred, 20mg/day) just before I saw this heart trouble, I'm almost sure this treatment is the responsible (disturbing her surrenalian gland => trouble with endogenous cortison production and with potassium/sodium regulation).

Wolfdogs would be extra sensitve to Cortison ? Thanks for any informations.

Anthony

michaelundinaeichhorn · 07-09-2007, 00:06

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Originally Posted by elf

Wolfdogs would be extra sensitve to Cortison ? Thanks for any informations.

Anthony

No, they are not as far as I know them.

Rona · 07-09-2007, 14:07

My Tina was repeatedly diagnosed for too slow pulse for many years!!! At least 4 vets independantly suggested at various times of her life that she had poor heart though she had enormous amount of energy and could EASILY run 10-12 km by the bike even at the age of 12. Thanks God once we came across a vet who told us, that a wolfdog might have a 'sports heart' that beats at normal speed only when the animal makes efforts, while it beats relatively slowly when the dog rests. Probably this is not the case of all CSVs but might happen.

You should check it, of course, but don't panic too soon, just observe your dog carefully before you make any final judgements. My recent experiences show that vets sometimes underestimate the wolfishness of wolfdogs. They DO differ a bit from other dogs as far as physiology is concerned

elf · 07-09-2007, 23:53

Hi Rona, so good to read you !

How was the pulse rate of your dog ? Did she was rather arythmic ?

I need to try a "vet-heart" specialist.

Anthony

elf · 08-09-2007, 14:12

Greetings,

I want to accomplish a "study" of wolfdog heart rate, in order to be able to see if there is any particularity (at least for a certain number of wolfdogs ).

Some vets seem to have this point of view.

I'd like to find out what exactly these particularities are, and I need your help in order to progress. I would need your dog's heart rate per minute taken while your dog is calm (you can easily take a heart rate placing your fingers on femoral artery).

I would need :

- Your dog's name
- His/her breed (CSV, SWH, mixed)
- His/her age
- His/her heart rate while being calm
- eventually mention if he/she seems to have troubles while making an effort (or any other heart problems)

You can contact me by mail ( [email protected] ) or by this forum. I will keep your data confident if you wish so, and I will publish the results in the form of statistic data.

Thank you for your effort that can be usefull for all of us.

Anthony

michaelundinaeichhorn · 08-09-2007, 14:54

Baschka Zlatá Palz, 5 years, female, 75/min
Gerda z Rofa, 9 years, female, 105/min
both are CSV, both don´t have any problems.
I will get three more later.

elf · 09-09-2007, 08:14

Someone told me an important point ton specify the protocol:

- take a heart rate after one night of sleep or minimum after 4 hours of rest
- take it on femoral artery (or mention the way it's taken)
- the lenght must be one full minute at least (not 15 seconds multiply by 4)

Of course, don't forget the name, sex, breed type, age.

Thanks again.

Anthony

elf · 21-04-2008, 12:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by elf

It seems to go better, around 60 pulses/minutes today and only the normal respiratoric arythmia left.

She had one week of Cortison treatment for skin allegia (Dermipred, 20mg/day) just before I saw this heart trouble, I'm almost sure this treatment is the responsible (disturbing her surrenalian gland => trouble with endogenous cortison production and with potassium/sodium regulation).

Wolfdogs would be extra sensitve to Cortison ? Thanks for any informations.

Anthony

No doubt anymore for me. My dog had to take Megasolone 20, it's now 5 days and the heart rate is no more 60-70 but around 40 and very arythmic. The treatment was for one month, if I had continued the whole month, maybe my dog would not support it.

Maybe wolfdogs are not more sensitive to cortisone than other dogs, but at least not for my dog. If one of you have to give cortisone or same family meds to your dog, it's worth checking the heart rate regulary.

elf · 21-04-2008, 14:35

BTW, the vet kindly told me that I was telling bullshits and it would be the first case in the world as there is currently no such publication. (And I guess he also wouldn't agree that in purpose my dog found and ate coal she was looking for in the garden because she felt the problem too and maybe knows solutions !).

01-09-2007, 09:14	#1
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	Heart rate The heart rate of Voltcha worries me, in repose around 40 by minutes, rather arythmique. How is it your dogs ? Thanks. Anthony

08-09-2007, 14:12	#7
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	Wolfdogs heart rate study Greetings, I want to accomplish a "study" of wolfdog heart rate, in order to be able to see if there is any particularity (at least for a certain number of wolfdogs ). Some vets seem to have this point of view. I'd like to find out what exactly these particularities are, and I need your help in order to progress. I would need your dog's heart rate per minute taken while your dog is calm (you can easily take a heart rate placing your fingers on femoral artery). I would need : - Your dog's name - His/her breed (CSV, SWH, mixed) - His/her age - His/her heart rate while being calm - eventually mention if he/she seems to have troubles while making an effort (or any other heart problems) You can contact me by mail ( [email protected] ) or by this forum. I will keep your data confident if you wish so, and I will publish the results in the form of statistic data. Thank you for your effort that can be usefull for all of us. Anthony

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06-09-2007, 08:37	#3
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	It seems to go better, around 60 pulses/minutes today and only the normal respiratoric arythmia left. She had one week of Cortison treatment for skin allegia (Dermipred, 20mg/day) just before I saw this heart trouble, I'm almost sure this treatment is the responsible (disturbing her surrenalian gland => trouble with endogenous cortison production and with potassium/sodium regulation). Wolfdogs would be extra sensitve to Cortison ? Thanks for any informations. Anthony

07-09-2007, 14:07	#5
Rona Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Kraków Posts: 3,509	My Tina was repeatedly diagnosed for too slow pulse for many years!!! At least 4 vets independantly suggested at various times of her life that she had poor heart though she had enormous amount of energy and could EASILY run 10-12 km by the bike even at the age of 12. Thanks God once we came across a vet who told us, that a wolfdog might have a 'sports heart' that beats at normal speed only when the animal makes efforts, while it beats relatively slowly when the dog rests. Probably this is not the case of all CSVs but might happen. You should check it, of course, but don't panic too soon, just observe your dog carefully before you make any final judgements. My recent experiences show that vets sometimes underestimate the wolfishness of wolfdogs. They DO differ a bit from other dogs as far as physiology is concerned

07-09-2007, 23:53	#6
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	Hi Rona, so good to read you ! How was the pulse rate of your dog ? Did she was rather arythmic ? I need to try a "vet-heart" specialist. Anthony

08-09-2007, 14:54	#8
michaelundinaeichhorn Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Bad Dürkheim Posts: 2,249	Baschka Zlatá Palz, 5 years, female, 75/min Gerda z Rofa, 9 years, female, 105/min both are CSV, both don´t have any problems. I will get three more later.

09-09-2007, 08:14	#9
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	Someone told me an important point ton specify the protocol: - take a heart rate after one night of sleep or minimum after 4 hours of rest - take it on femoral artery (or mention the way it's taken) - the lenght must be one full minute at least (not 15 seconds multiply by 4) Of course, don't forget the name, sex, breed type, age. Thanks again. Anthony

21-04-2008, 14:35	#11
elf Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 766	BTW, the vet kindly told me that I was telling bullshits and it would be the first case in the world as there is currently no such publication. (And I guess he also wouldn't agree that in purpose my dog found and ate coal she was looking for in the garden because she felt the problem too and maybe knows solutions !).