Norwegian ban on SW and CzW - Page 4

stefano · 16-10-2002, 16:50

Thanks Michelle for your revising in private EMail.

Per Olav, Arnaldo wrote this Email just in italian to
the address you wrote, I send you in private EMail the
revision by Michelle (USA), use it as batter as you
can.

I suggest you not only EMail, I' don't know, an
open-letter to newspapers ...

Ciao.

Stefano.

Pavel · 16-10-2002, 16:56

Hi Per Olav,
do you asking the Czech and Slovakian Club about help ? If yes, do you
have any reaction ?

Pavel

Per Olav · 16-10-2002, 17:23

Hi Stefano.

I'd appreciate your initiative, but please wait for a minute :-)

We are in a dialogue with the Norwegian Kennel Club regarding this matter.
We do have to wait for the proposal. Then we know if this is a spesific ban
related to our breeds, a general banning of "dangerous" breeds or if the
Ministry is going to propose a ban on these breeds due to their
"wolf-look-alike".

By waiting for the law proposal we are able to do the right considerations
and know how to fight back. What we should like to you do, is informing
every member of every known dog club to respond to the mail which will be
prepared and published on the Dog-o-Mania pages in apropriate time. We have
to do it right, at the right time and we have do do it mutually

Thanks to all of you.

stefano · 16-10-2002, 17:30

Be' a Mail from Italy to the Ministry has already
gone.

Stefano.

Per Olav · 16-10-2002, 17:36

Hi Pavel, how are you and do I have missed something by not watching webcam?

Quote:

Hi Per Olav,
do you asking the Czech and Slovakian Club about help ? If yes, do you
have any reaction ?
Pavel

I''ve done nothing but asked the Cz club for information. Nothing heard but
I received your mail of the communication and transportation problems of
The Prague.
I understand you are just about to finish the green book.
It will be handed to the Norwegian Kennel Club as "munition". :-)

I don't know which information we are missing, but it will be sorted out
when I meet the lawyer of the Kennel Club.
He was, by the way, impressed of our mail campaign, but he told us not to
start until the proposal was received and read and tactics could be planned.
We do have to know what we are fighting against.

---
Per Olav

Per Olav · 17-10-2002, 06:25

Hi Pavel.
Done some clean up of my mailboxes. :-)

The answer is yes. Both clubs have been asked.
So far no reaction .

Silver_Dragon · 19-10-2002, 20:46

Hello,

I have been readin about the current problems with your dogs and the
banning issues... I understand they are a recognized breed with the FCI. I
know there are very few of these dogs in the US, but perhapse you can
attempt to get your breed recognized with the UKC (http://www.ukcdogs.com/)
also? I know they are a much more reasonable kennel club when it comes to
the dogs. They are in support of the owning and training of more breeds
than the usual kennel club. They will even allow mixed breeds to register
with them for obedience shows, so they too can get their titles. This shows
the UKC is fairly flexable.
The UKC even have a couple sections of their site linking to wolfdogs,
and some information on them - http://www.ukcdogs.com/scan.html I think
that even including these sections on their site shows the tolorance, and
somewhat acceptence of wolfdog ownership.
I was wondering that if the UKC recognized your breed aswell, if that
would help your fight at all? The way I see it, the more kennel clubs you
can get, the better off you are! I don't know anything about getting a
breed recognized, but I do know that much less developed breeds are
recognized (but some have no conformation privilages) by this kennel club,
and perhapse it would be worth trying.
Just my thoughts... Have a good day, and good luck!

~Silver Dragon~

Per Olav · 19-10-2002, 22:40

Hi Silver Dragon.
Thank you for showing interest in our discussions.
Principally this is a matter concerning a Norwegian proposal of banning the
two wolfdog/wolfhound breeds in Norway.
Secondly it is about the Swedish Kennel Club refusal of accepting these
breeds even if recognized by the FCI.
A UCK approval does not make any difference. For time being the breeds are
accepted by the Norwegian Government and the Norwegian Kennel Club.
An audit of the Norwegian law may change this.

Regards

Per Olav

Silver_Dragon · 19-10-2002, 23:20

Per,

I guess I was not getting out what I really wanted to say! I know that
the UKC is fighting against any type of breed specific bans in the US, and
they consider wolfdogs to be apart of that. Here is a link to a letter
written by the president of the UKC showing thier support of wolfdogs -
http://www.ukcdogs.com/wolf/wolfpos.html . I thought that maybe with the
recognition of the breed, perhapse they would fight against the banning
proposals aswell. But maybe you don't even have to be recognized to get
their attention, or maybe they don't even want to adress issues outside the
US. I am unsure, but I was just wondering if it would help at all, or even
be worth looking into. I guess I don't always know what I am talking
about... as you all can tell...

~Silver Dragon~

Tina · 19-10-2002, 23:55

Quote:

The UKC even have a couple sections of their site linking to wolfdogs,
and some information on them - http://www.ukcdogs.com/scan.html I think
that even including these sections on their site shows the tolorance, and
somewhat acceptence of wolfdog ownership.
I was wondering that if the UKC recognized your breed aswell, if that
would help your fight at all? The way I see it, the more kennel clubs you
can get, the better off you are!

It's a great idea, but I think you would need a club in the states to
represent your interests. If you have some good leader type people, you may
want to look into this.

Per Olav · 20-10-2002, 00:11

OK Silver Dragon.
It might be a good idea, well worth thinking of.
I'll check your link. Appreciate your info.
Thank you very much.

Regards

Per Olav

Tina · 22-10-2002, 17:55

I few weeks ago I told my friend about the problems I was reading about on
your list. I just got this in my mail <<Hi Tina I e mailed this to the
minister of Norway.>> So I felt I should at least show you what was sent. I
hope that it will not prove to be a bad thing, since I noticed that you
didn't want anyone to send letters .. yet ;(

Dear Minister,
I am appalled and surprised by Your ignorance of
subjects about which you are making decisions.Your
lack of knowledge is spreading though the world as you
see, but I hope that it is not to late to make the
right decision.I am from former Czechoslovakia and now
living in USA and I am very familiar with
Ceskoslovensky Vlcak. This is a docile and friendly
breed which was eliminated from breeding as a Czech
border patrol dog for the lack(!) of aggression. This
was done by Mr. Ing. Jiri Novotny. If you are
interested in his opinion about aggression
of this DOGS (not hybrids), then I would be more then
happy to contact you with him. By the way wolf and dog
are of the same species thus THEY ARE NOT HYBRIDS!!!.

(...)

I removed his signature, because of the basement problem you have here

Per Olav · 22-10-2002, 18:05

Hi.

Just nice :-)
I think the Minister (or at least his lawyer preparing the case) need a
reminder.

Love to you and yours

Per Olav

Per Olav · 22-10-2002, 18:31

Hi

I'm preparing a summary of the evolution of the CsW for the Norwegian
Ministry of Justice and the Norwegian Kennel Klub.
To that I need some helping hands providing me the neccessary information.

From a former czech citizen now living outside the Czech Republic I've
received the following:

"This is a docile and friendly breed which was eliminated from breeding as
a Czech
border patrol dog for the lack(!) of aggression. This was done by Mr. Ing.
Jiri Novotny."

I should like to have any comments on this subject of as well as of any
other which may be of importance.

---
Per Olav

Tina · 23-10-2002, 00:07

Thankyou

Tina · 23-10-2002, 00:36

Quote:

From a former czech citizen now living outside the Czech Republic I've
received the following:

I should have more information from him soon .. he does not read his e-mails
too often ;(
But I know that he knows Ing. Karel Hartl, and has asked him many questions
for me plus has taken a lot of pictures & video tapes when he visits there.
I will ask him to write to you privately if you want him to, what language
would you prefer?

Per Olav · 23-10-2002, 01:40

How many can you offer?

I'll prefer English because it's our main foreign language. Most spoken and
is understood by everyone.
I also master German, French and Spanish, - more or less :-)
But then I'll probably have to translate......

---
Per Olav

MortenM · 23-10-2002, 01:48

Quote:

I also master German, French and Spanish, - more or less :-)
But then I'll probably have to translate......

puedo traducir el español para usted Per-Olav (babelfish

)

MortenM

Tina · 23-10-2002, 01:55

Quote:

I'll prefer English because it's our main foreign language. Most spoken and is understood by everyone.

OK English it is, I am sure he does not know French or Spanish .. but does
speak fluently in several others

Per Olav · 23-10-2002, 16:36

Quote:

puedo traducir el espanol para usted Per-Olav (babelfish

)
MortenM

( I'm sure you can, Morten, but I'll prefer doing it my own way :-) - no
Babelfish ;.)

---
Per Olav

16-10-2002, 16:50	#61
stefano Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 14	Stop the ban of wolfhounds/wolfdogs in Norway. Thanks Michelle for your revising in private EMail. Per Olav, Arnaldo wrote this Email just in italian to the address you wrote, I send you in private EMail the revision by Michelle (USA), use it as batter as you can. I suggest you not only EMail, I' don't know, an open-letter to newspapers ... Ciao. Stefano.

16-10-2002, 16:56	#62
Pavel Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 2,190	Stop the ban of wolfhounds/wolfdogs in Norway. Hi Per Olav, do you asking the Czech and Slovakian Club about help ? If yes, do you have any reaction ? Pavel

16-10-2002, 17:23	#63
Per Olav Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 395	Stop the ban of wolfhounds/wolfdogs in Norway. Hi Stefano. I'd appreciate your initiative, but please wait for a minute :-) We are in a dialogue with the Norwegian Kennel Club regarding this matter. We do have to wait for the proposal. Then we know if this is a spesific ban related to our breeds, a general banning of "dangerous" breeds or if the Ministry is going to propose a ban on these breeds due to their "wolf-look-alike". By waiting for the law proposal we are able to do the right considerations and know how to fight back. What we should like to you do, is informing every member of every known dog club to respond to the mail which will be prepared and published on the Dog-o-Mania pages in apropriate time. We have to do it right, at the right time and we have do do it mutually Thanks to all of you.

16-10-2002, 17:30	#64
stefano Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 14	Stop the ban of wolfhounds/wolfdogs in Norway. Be' a Mail from Italy to the Ministry has already gone. Stefano.

17-10-2002, 06:25	#66
Per Olav Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 395	Stop the ban of wolfhounds/wolfdogs in Norway. Hi Pavel. Done some clean up of my mailboxes. :-) The answer is yes. Both clubs have been asked. So far no reaction .

19-10-2002, 20:46	#67
Silver_Dragon Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 11	Is it Possible? Hello, I have been readin about the current problems with your dogs and the banning issues... I understand they are a recognized breed with the FCI. I know there are very few of these dogs in the US, but perhapse you can attempt to get your breed recognized with the UKC (http://www.ukcdogs.com/) also? I know they are a much more reasonable kennel club when it comes to the dogs. They are in support of the owning and training of more breeds than the usual kennel club. They will even allow mixed breeds to register with them for obedience shows, so they too can get their titles. This shows the UKC is fairly flexable. The UKC even have a couple sections of their site linking to wolfdogs, and some information on them - http://www.ukcdogs.com/scan.html I think that even including these sections on their site shows the tolorance, and somewhat acceptence of wolfdog ownership. I was wondering that if the UKC recognized your breed aswell, if that would help your fight at all? The way I see it, the more kennel clubs you can get, the better off you are! I don't know anything about getting a breed recognized, but I do know that much less developed breeds are recognized (but some have no conformation privilages) by this kennel club, and perhapse it would be worth trying. Just my thoughts... Have a good day, and good luck! ~Silver Dragon~

19-10-2002, 22:40	#68
Per Olav Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 395	Is it Possible? Hi Silver Dragon. Thank you for showing interest in our discussions. Principally this is a matter concerning a Norwegian proposal of banning the two wolfdog/wolfhound breeds in Norway. Secondly it is about the Swedish Kennel Club refusal of accepting these breeds even if recognized by the FCI. A UCK approval does not make any difference. For time being the breeds are accepted by the Norwegian Government and the Norwegian Kennel Club. An audit of the Norwegian law may change this. Regards Per Olav

19-10-2002, 23:20	#69
Silver_Dragon Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 11	Is it Possible? Per, I guess I was not getting out what I really wanted to say! I know that the UKC is fighting against any type of breed specific bans in the US, and they consider wolfdogs to be apart of that. Here is a link to a letter written by the president of the UKC showing thier support of wolfdogs - http://www.ukcdogs.com/wolf/wolfpos.html . I thought that maybe with the recognition of the breed, perhapse they would fight against the banning proposals aswell. But maybe you don't even have to be recognized to get their attention, or maybe they don't even want to adress issues outside the US. I am unsure, but I was just wondering if it would help at all, or even be worth looking into. I guess I don't always know what I am talking about... as you all can tell... ~Silver Dragon~

20-10-2002, 00:11	#71
Per Olav Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 395	Is it Possible? OK Silver Dragon. It might be a good idea, well worth thinking of. I'll check your link. Appreciate your info. Thank you very much. Regards Per Olav

22-10-2002, 17:55	#72
Tina Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 42	czechoslovak Vlcak I few weeks ago I told my friend about the problems I was reading about on your list. I just got this in my mail <<Hi Tina I e mailed this to the minister of Norway.>> So I felt I should at least show you what was sent. I hope that it will not prove to be a bad thing, since I noticed that you didn't want anyone to send letters .. yet ;( Dear Minister, I am appalled and surprised by Your ignorance of subjects about which you are making decisions.Your lack of knowledge is spreading though the world as you see, but I hope that it is not to late to make the right decision.I am from former Czechoslovakia and now living in USA and I am very familiar with Ceskoslovensky Vlcak. This is a docile and friendly breed which was eliminated from breeding as a Czech border patrol dog for the lack(!) of aggression. This was done by Mr. Ing. Jiri Novotny. If you are interested in his opinion about aggression of this DOGS (not hybrids), then I would be more then happy to contact you with him. By the way wolf and dog are of the same species thus THEY ARE NOT HYBRIDS!!!. (...) I removed his signature, because of the basement problem you have here

22-10-2002, 18:05	#73
Per Olav Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 395	czechoslovak Vlcak Hi. Just nice :-) I think the Minister (or at least his lawyer preparing the case) need a reminder. Love to you and yours Per Olav

22-10-2002, 18:31	#74
Per Olav Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 395	Norwegian situation - I'm a little bit Hi I'm preparing a summary of the evolution of the CsW for the Norwegian Ministry of Justice and the Norwegian Kennel Klub. To that I need some helping hands providing me the neccessary information. From a former czech citizen now living outside the Czech Republic I've received the following: "This is a docile and friendly breed which was eliminated from breeding as a Czech border patrol dog for the lack(!) of aggression. This was done by Mr. Ing. Jiri Novotny." I should like to have any comments on this subject of as well as of any other which may be of importance. --- Per Olav

23-10-2002, 00:07	#75
Tina Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 42	czechoslovak Vlcak Thankyou

23-10-2002, 01:40	#77
Per Olav Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 395	Summary How many can you offer? I'll prefer English because it's our main foreign language. Most spoken and is understood by everyone. I also master German, French and Spanish, - more or less :-) But then I'll probably have to translate...... --- Per Olav