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09-02-2009, 16:01 | #1 |
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Litters advertising ('NO' to dogs without HD results)
Because there are more and more litters every year we decided it is already good time to make some improvements and some selection (+ 'force' some breeders to care more for the health of the breed). At least in the basic part - it means in the case of HD...
From today we will do not add ANY litter advertisements where one or both parents do not have official HD-results. On 22.02.2009 we will remove from he listing ALL litters where the information about the HD-results of the parents will be still missing. In order to add HD-results to the database you have to scan /take a photo/ of the HD-result and send it to ([email protected]). Remember: I have information that some emails sent to me "disappear" - some emails are treated as spam by spam filters and removed by the server so if you do not get information that I get the email and the new info do not appear in the database try to send it using the "private messages" on forum. You can also submit photo of the HD-result to the gallery of your dog - we will get it for sure... |
09-02-2009, 16:49 | #2 | |
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Very best regards / Mikael and Hronec
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09-02-2009, 19:38 | #3 |
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choices excel!!!!!!! Cheer and especially thank you for this work!!!!!
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09-02-2009, 21:53 | #4 |
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Good start Margo. Something is better than nothing. And when you will make theese classes of litters - without X-ray results, without bonitation or with all? We wrote about it a few months before, it was big disscusion with much ideas from breeders.
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10-02-2009, 02:29 | #5 | |
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Even, changes are fine but wouldn't be good change everything at same time, let people get adaptated with it first for after really think in the next step.
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10-02-2009, 08:19 | #6 | |
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Bonitation, ED, PRA, work and COI % you can read in the info of the litter, it is to mush info to have in seperat groupes...I think Regards / Mikael
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11-02-2009, 01:37 | #7 | |
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11-02-2009, 02:03 | #8 | |
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...it is really impossible to say anything correct from a photo Greetings Rolf |
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11-02-2009, 10:32 | #9 |
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It is quite easy nowadays to visit a bonitation with a qualified judge, there are at least 6 countries offering them and everybody can go there. Some as close as Belgium.
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X-rays are the best example - everybody can check his dogs in his own country, it is easy to make it, cheap and it is important because it is about health and one about the basic illness typical for this breed. And removing litters of dogs without HD-check means nothing else as removing litters of so called pseudo-breeders (because I can not imagine even one responsible breeder who breeds using such dogs). Bonitation is something else. It is still very problematic to take part in it. In the most countries it takes place only one per year (ornever). Some breeders will be not able to make it for years. Can you imagine that Nabulosa or American breeders will invite a judge only to make bonitation of 2-3 dogs? Does the missing bonitation make them worser breeders and their dogs worser wolfdogs? Does it make a Portugal breeder who was not able to travel 2000km to make the bonitation by his dogs WORSER than the Czech breeder who not only can make the bonitation 4 times a year and travel in the most cases less than 100km but is also FORCED to make the bonitation because it is part of the breeding requirements in his country? Using such way of thinking the German breeders can ask to remove all litters without the eye check (in this case ALL Czech and Slovak litters would be removed) or Italian breeders can ask to remove all dogs without the ED-check... Think yout it.... I think you should make distinction between the basic rules for Wolfdog.org (rules which are important and possible to be fulfiled by all and not only by the "choosen" ones) and the rules which you think ALL should TRY to fulfil. |
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13-02-2009, 13:50 | #11 |
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I agree with you on that, what I ment was that it is much easier to travel to Belgium or Germany to do a Bonitation than to invite a judge for so few dogs. And photos don´t tell that much.
But it is much easier nowadays than about 10 years ago. Ina |
13-02-2009, 21:01 | #12 |
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Maybe some day a bonitation judge will desire to take a vacation to the US; and maybe some US owners will be able to help him or her out in exchange for judgement of our dogs...some day.
For HD results, are all types accepted? I recently got my dogs hips tested using the Penn Hip test (I prefer this to our OFA method). The scores look very different, and I don't know if it would be ethical to "translate" them with the European scoring system, since the testing procedure and methodology are quite different. If it's possible, I'd like to post the results and can send a photo of the official results. Many people in the US are familiar with this method; on www.pennhip.org, it is possible to learn about the methodology. It will become even more accurate once more CSVs are tested. It was nice to see that my dog's hips were in the top 20% of all dogs from all breeds tested at Penn Hip. Take good care, Marcy |
26-02-2009, 19:50 | #13 | |
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