Czech Wolfdogs in Israel

ray · 06-07-2004, 17:32

hi
i am from israel. we have one blood line of csw in israel. the parents were brought from the boerder potrol in prauge. we adopted a female three days ago. she is 6 month old. she's been through a very rough life up to now, very neglected and was tied alone for the first part of her life. for the last month she's been back with her parents at the golan hights with the breeder who is a man who lives alone so she hasn't been around people to much. we have a house on a big land so she has pleanty of space. we also own another 6 year old dalmation who has wellcomed her fantasticly. she trusts him and copies him all the time. she is very good natured and very sweet but it seems like she doesn't trust us. she hardly comes from her own free whele to us for atention. she doesn't realy listen to what we tell her. but generaly it looks like it's geting better from day to day. i want to know if it is posible to rehabilitate her. will she be atached to us? can we train her?
also i want to add a pic of her to get your opinion. she doesn't have a white mask, how bad is that? but i can't mange to add a pic to the mesege. i tried adding one to the galery under wolfdogs- pere
it doesn't look like it worked, ? ?
thank you
ray

mijke · 07-07-2004, 01:15

Hi Ray,

When you sent the picture to [email protected] , Margo will take care it will be add

In my life I had several dogs (of different breeds, with bad circumstances in their first year), that I had to re-socialise before they could go to a new home. And with the most of them it did work out very well

My first step was to give them "trust" in human and in the mean time I did show them I was the alpha (without pressure) in my behaviour (this also gives them rest and trust). And later on I did work out (step by step) the obedience.

You have a very young dog, so you can have a lot of hope that everything is going all right in time.

But be patient

, don't force things, be clear in your behaviour (be the alpha from the start), "read" the reaction of your dog by every new step, and don't give to much pressure.

I wish you good luck and a happy life time with your new dog!

greetings,
Mijke

G.D.K's · 16-07-2004, 12:04

Hello Dog's owners,
I just got 2 Ceskoslovensky WolfDogs.
I live in ISRAEL and it's a new breed here.

I got the two dog's from a guy that Import them 6 years ago from Ceskoslovekya, I really like this breed and told him i will be happy to start improve this breed in the country. the one problem i got is this guy breed his dog's 4 times and no new Blood lines in ISRAEL only from the two dog's. I'm really a breeder but i was working with PitBulls and after the new LAW here i quit it. I'm now looking for Kennels in the Ceskoslovekya (Working Dog's and also Show Dog's).

I'm still new with this breed and the guy that give them is Old and not talk Hebrew so good so it's HARD to me to understand him, the two dog's have Ceskoslovensky pedigrees that are approved by the I.K.C. and now i'm looking to Import in the Future a new dog to improve a new blood line here. If some one here can recommend me for good honest kennels in Europe? .... what is the price of a PUPY in europe? ...

Thanks for all
Gidi Ben Dor
Wild Hermon Kennels

Margo · 16-07-2004, 13:03

Hi!

Please send us the pedigree names of your dogs (so we can also put it into the database). Are you the new owner od Ambra Schovanka? What is the name of the second dog? Cezar od Bulizniku? If not please write the names. After we have it we can send you a list of litter which will the best fit to your dogs according the pedigree. After it you can choose a kennel which the best fits to your need...

Greetings,
Margo

G.D.K's · 16-07-2004, 17:17

Hello Margo,
Thank you for the answer

Yes the Dog name is Cezar he is the male dog. i don't remmber the female name. the Dog's are still with the Old Owner (GINADY), I'm now repairing my Kennels to a new CLE's .... so i still can't hold the dog's with me (got few PitBull's at home

)... The old owner is moving to Ceskoslovekya soon so then i will have the papers and the dog's in my kennel. Cezar is a good working dog, I will ask him next week the Female name and also cupy the papers for u.

Have a great weekend
Gidi

G.D.K's · 16-07-2004, 17:28

Just got on the Phone with him and yes the Female is "Ambra" (here he call her ALFA).

Dym · 16-07-2004, 21:43

Hello
I`m from Israel too and I know this Genadiy very well. Please call me
067-882107
Anna

ray · 17-07-2004, 10:04

gidi shalom
we own ginadies pupy female
we are having a meating with all the owners next week. i am also in contact with anna. the breed is verry important to us so please contact us-
reut- 055-608881

Dym · 17-07-2004, 11:28

What are you going to do with your pitbulls?

G.D.K's · 17-07-2004, 16:29

I will connect u all in few day, BTW that is my web site http://www.x-snow.co.il/dogs

I'm from Neve Ativ 13 min from ginadi.

I got now two pitbulls that are my PET's and never will send them! but for the other thy will find a good house in Kennels in East Europe.
the PitBull Breed is R.I.P

.... that what happend when u give ppl that don't need to have KID's have a DOG!

I hope to Start my new line with this breed.... I hope in few month to End the I.K.C study (המדרשה של ההי"ל) and start to make this breed better with new Blood lines.... ginadi dog's are good but still two dog's and so mach dog's from them is not good!.

I hope tomorrow to visit Ginadi in the morning, i want to see them in ACT (he can't see after 14:00 because his eyes) so i will take so photos of them.

That is my Mobile 054-4810588 and i'm on it from 13:00 - 05:00.

Have a great week
Gidi

P.S.
Anna are u from Haifa? ....

G.D.K's · 17-07-2004, 19:59

I just got on the phone with Ginady.
i understand that the ppl from my country did not understand who am i

.

So let me introduce me

My name is Gidi Ben Dor i live in Neve Ativ that is in the Golan Heights (below Mt' Hermon), I'm 25 years old and i'm a Qualified Dog Trainer that Own W.H.K's.... i'm now working on my new Dog Hotel in my village.
I was Vice Chairman in the Israel PitBull Club but i quit it last year after thy did not wash the shit off this club (ppl that don't need to own this breed).... after the accident that a Am.Stuff kill a 4 years old girl i understand that this breed is dead! ... I love this breed but he don't have no future here so i decide to own my dog's in my friends kennels in East Europe and have my two Pet dog's (one is a PitBulla and the sec is Am.Stuff) at home.

I know some of u want to own more dog's and i'm happy.
I don't think like a Home Dog Owner! i think like a breeder and a true breeder think few year forward.
we can import some new dog's and make a deal with ownership... I hope we all can be friends and make this breed a better in our small country. remmber it's the ppl that make this breed and we need to make it one big family.

I will be more happy to meet and chat with u about DOG's.
tomorrow i will add some photos ...

have a great new week
Gidi

G.D.K's Kid - Gidi Ben Dor - G.D.K's REDI

Dym · 18-07-2004, 10:00

Hello Gidi
Yes, I`m Anna from Haifa and i think Genadiy told u about me.
I don`t want to offend u, but I don`t think that it`s right to do money on dogs. I meen breeding, and not training. And what u want it to take the new, unusial breed to make money from the puppis. U live here, train the dogs and know that israelian people don`t now many about dogs and how to keep them. Wolfdog is a very attractive breed and many people would like to keep them only becouse of thire looklike, without knowing anything about his character. So maybe u realy could make money on this breed, but they will be next in the list of fobidden and dangerous breeds.........And I realy don`t want it to happen.
Do u know how many puupis of Genadiy changed theire owners? Do u know how many his puppis were run down by the cars becouse they run free in moshav and people thought they wolfs? Do you know that one of his puupis was killed by police becouse he bite one boy??????? Isn`t it look like amstaff story????????
U don`t know it becouse Genadiy didn`t tell u all this.
But I know, and I`m very distrub about this breed. And I prefer may be not to breed in our country at all, but not to breed it for money and sell puppis to everyone.
This why I asked u to call me and that`s why I ask u WHAT FOR DO U WANT TO BREED THIS DOGS?

Anna

ray · 18-07-2004, 11:20

hi gidi
look we all have our idea's about the breed and what should happen with it here in israel. since there isn't any body that is taking care of the breed siresly here now, exept for anna.
i realy think we should all talk- (anna you and i)
like you said, if we all work together only good will come out of this.
we are having a meeting like i said with all the owners from the last two breedings.
we will need to get in touch
reut

G.D.K's · 18-07-2004, 13:18

Hey reut and Anna,
I really don't know where you hear i want to make money on dogs?
I'm not a Pedleer! .... Ginady all the time talking about Puppys and how mach money u can make and i'm like YES YES (not to insult him).... but don't forget I'M NOT A POOR MEN WHO NEED MONEY. I never look at a dog's like a ATM .... In the PitBull world it was mach more hard here.
U make a breeding to see what u get not how mach money u make!
98% of the PitBull's owners are SHIT owners!... how mach time i seen puppys that the owner send them to DOG Fights and then band off in the St'! ... Ginady was sellong dog's to DROSE that know none about raising kid's so raising a dog is no place.

Anna i'm not new in this dog world and i really hate when recklessnss ppl own a dog and ppl make money off dog's like ATM.

I will call u Anna this evening and we can chat and u will understand my head.

BTW G.D.K's REDI she is a dog i got 2 years ago from the Police Kennels after she was BAN from her owner because DOG FIGHTING... i got her SICK and SCREWED and now look at her now :P

Cezar

Ambra

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Dym · 18-07-2004, 19:03

Gidi, I unerstood u really have good intentionals and hope everything will run like we plan.
And i think u don`t need to breed Alfa any more. We just need to find good blood for puppis of Alfa (Ambra) and Cezar

G.D.K's · 18-07-2004, 19:31

Now i'm happy that u understand my head

(I told u we think the same) ... i'm not going to breed Alfa (Ambra) and Cezar this YEAR. we need to put new blood into ISRAEL and not just Alfa (Ambra) and Cezar. but i still don't say i will never breed one of them, but for now Cezar is out from a STUD DOG .. I want to see the young prospects, maybe the prospects are not looking like the Standard. we will chat about it in 4 eyes in the future.

I hope u will join me in October to the I.K.C study .... will be nice.

Anna learn from our mistakes with the PitBull's and the CW will be a better breed here :P

G.D.K's · 18-07-2004, 19:49

I want to take Alfa to one Show Dog's in "Mayan Harod"... i don't know if in October or May but she will show herself in the ring

Cezar is no dog to have in a show dog's.

I hope this October to show our "Akita" ... she is a 11 month old and know she will do good.

G.D.K's · 19-07-2004, 15:15

She is from Cezar x Ambra

Dym · 19-07-2004, 18:10

I don`t think it`s a good idea to take Alfa to show - she doesn`t have normal tail and she is to small. But the tail is her big problem. And u need to cocialise here a lot for taking out to any place with dogs and people. Only if we not come to show u have any chance
I think it`s more importent to take here puppis to show.

Dym · 19-07-2004, 18:12

And one more thing - our meeting moved to 6.8.04. So I hope u could come. And befor u are wellcome in Hiafa

06-07-2004, 17:32	#1
ray Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 11	Czech Wolfdogs in Israel hi i am from israel. we have one blood line of csw in israel. the parents were brought from the boerder potrol in prauge. we adopted a female three days ago. she is 6 month old. she's been through a very rough life up to now, very neglected and was tied alone for the first part of her life. for the last month she's been back with her parents at the golan hights with the breeder who is a man who lives alone so she hasn't been around people to much. we have a house on a big land so she has pleanty of space. we also own another 6 year old dalmation who has wellcomed her fantasticly. she trusts him and copies him all the time. she is very good natured and very sweet but it seems like she doesn't trust us. she hardly comes from her own free whele to us for atention. she doesn't realy listen to what we tell her. but generaly it looks like it's geting better from day to day. i want to know if it is posible to rehabilitate her. will she be atached to us? can we train her? also i want to add a pic of her to get your opinion. she doesn't have a white mask, how bad is that? but i can't mange to add a pic to the mesege. i tried adding one to the galery under wolfdogs- pere it doesn't look like it worked, ? ? thank you ray

07-07-2004, 01:15	#2
mijke Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Warnsveld Posts: 2,033	Hi Ray, When you sent the picture to [email protected] , Margo will take care it will be add In my life I had several dogs (of different breeds, with bad circumstances in their first year), that I had to re-socialise before they could go to a new home. And with the most of them it did work out very well My first step was to give them "trust" in human and in the mean time I did show them I was the alpha (without pressure) in my behaviour (this also gives them rest and trust). And later on I did work out (step by step) the obedience. You have a very young dog, so you can have a lot of hope that everything is going all right in time. But be patient , don't force things, be clear in your behaviour (be the alpha from the start), "read" the reaction of your dog by every new step, and don't give to much pressure. I wish you good luck and a happy life time with your new dog! greetings, Mijke __________________ Vriendelijke groeten, Mijke PS: I am not a moderator anymore!!

16-07-2004, 12:04	#3
G.D.K's Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Neve Ativ, Golan Heights Posts: 35	Need Help please - CzW in Israel Hello Dog's owners, I just got 2 Ceskoslovensky WolfDogs. I live in ISRAEL and it's a new breed here. I got the two dog's from a guy that Import them 6 years ago from Ceskoslovekya, I really like this breed and told him i will be happy to start improve this breed in the country. the one problem i got is this guy breed his dog's 4 times and no new Blood lines in ISRAEL only from the two dog's. I'm really a breeder but i was working with PitBulls and after the new LAW here i quit it. I'm now looking for Kennels in the Ceskoslovekya (Working Dog's and also Show Dog's). I'm still new with this breed and the guy that give them is Old and not talk Hebrew so good so it's HARD to me to understand him, the two dog's have Ceskoslovensky pedigrees that are approved by the I.K.C. and now i'm looking to Import in the Future a new dog to improve a new blood line here. If some one here can recommend me for good honest kennels in Europe? .... what is the price of a PUPY in europe? ... Thanks for all Gidi Ben Dor Wild Hermon Kennels

16-07-2004, 13:03	#4
Margo Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Późna Posts: 1,281	Hi! Please send us the pedigree names of your dogs (so we can also put it into the database). Are you the new owner od Ambra Schovanka? What is the name of the second dog? Cezar od Bulizniku? If not please write the names. After we have it we can send you a list of litter which will the best fit to your dogs according the pedigree. After it you can choose a kennel which the best fits to your need... Greetings, Margo __________________ . The customs of your tribe are not laws of nature - George Bernard Shaw

16-07-2004, 17:17	#5
G.D.K's Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Neve Ativ, Golan Heights Posts: 35	Hello Margo, Thank you for the answer Yes the Dog name is Cezar he is the male dog. i don't remmber the female name. the Dog's are still with the Old Owner (GINADY), I'm now repairing my Kennels to a new CLE's .... so i still can't hold the dog's with me (got few PitBull's at home )... The old owner is moving to Ceskoslovekya soon so then i will have the papers and the dog's in my kennel. Cezar is a good working dog, I will ask him next week the Female name and also cupy the papers for u. Have a great weekend Gidi __________________ BELIEVE NOTHING OF WHAT YOU HEAR AND HALF OF WHAT YOU SEE...

16-07-2004, 17:28	#6
G.D.K's Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Neve Ativ, Golan Heights Posts: 35	Just got on the Phone with him and yes the Female is "Ambra" (here he call her ALFA). __________________ BELIEVE NOTHING OF WHAT YOU HEAR AND HALF OF WHAT YOU SEE...

16-07-2004, 21:43	#7
Dym Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 26	Hello I`m from Israel too and I know this Genadiy very well. Please call me 067-882107 Anna

17-07-2004, 10:04	#8
ray Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 11	gidi shalom we own ginadies pupy female we are having a meating with all the owners next week. i am also in contact with anna. the breed is verry important to us so please contact us- reut- 055-608881

17-07-2004, 11:28	#9
Dym Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 26	What are you going to do with your pitbulls?

17-07-2004, 16:29	#10
G.D.K's Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Neve Ativ, Golan Heights Posts: 35	I will connect u all in few day, BTW that is my web site http://www.x-snow.co.il/dogs I'm from Neve Ativ 13 min from ginadi. I got now two pitbulls that are my PET's and never will send them! but for the other thy will find a good house in Kennels in East Europe. the PitBull Breed is R.I.P .... that what happend when u give ppl that don't need to have KID's have a DOG! I hope to Start my new line with this breed.... I hope in few month to End the I.K.C study (המדרשה של ההי"ל) and start to make this breed better with new Blood lines.... ginadi dog's are good but still two dog's and so mach dog's from them is not good!. I hope tomorrow to visit Ginadi in the morning, i want to see them in ACT (he can't see after 14:00 because his eyes) so i will take so photos of them. That is my Mobile 054-4810588 and i'm on it from 13:00 - 05:00. Have a great week Gidi P.S. Anna are u from Haifa? .... __________________ BELIEVE NOTHING OF WHAT YOU HEAR AND HALF OF WHAT YOU SEE...

17-07-2004, 19:59	#11
G.D.K's Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Neve Ativ, Golan Heights Posts: 35	I just got on the phone with Ginady. i understand that the ppl from my country did not understand who am i . So let me introduce me My name is Gidi Ben Dor i live in Neve Ativ that is in the Golan Heights (below Mt' Hermon), I'm 25 years old and i'm a Qualified Dog Trainer that Own W.H.K's.... i'm now working on my new Dog Hotel in my village. I was Vice Chairman in the Israel PitBull Club but i quit it last year after thy did not wash the shit off this club (ppl that don't need to own this breed).... after the accident that a Am.Stuff kill a 4 years old girl i understand that this breed is dead! ... I love this breed but he don't have no future here so i decide to own my dog's in my friends kennels in East Europe and have my two Pet dog's (one is a PitBulla and the sec is Am.Stuff) at home. I know some of u want to own more dog's and i'm happy. I don't think like a Home Dog Owner! i think like a breeder and a true breeder think few year forward. we can import some new dog's and make a deal with ownership... I hope we all can be friends and make this breed a better in our small country. remmber it's the ppl that make this breed and we need to make it one big family. I will be more happy to meet and chat with u about DOG's. tomorrow i will add some photos ... have a great new week Gidi G.D.K's Kid - Gidi Ben Dor - G.D.K's REDI __________________ BELIEVE NOTHING OF WHAT YOU HEAR AND HALF OF WHAT YOU SEE...

18-07-2004, 10:00	#12
Dym Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 26	Hello Gidi Yes, I`m Anna from Haifa and i think Genadiy told u about me. I don`t want to offend u, but I don`t think that it`s right to do money on dogs. I meen breeding, and not training. And what u want it to take the new, unusial breed to make money from the puppis. U live here, train the dogs and know that israelian people don`t now many about dogs and how to keep them. Wolfdog is a very attractive breed and many people would like to keep them only becouse of thire looklike, without knowing anything about his character. So maybe u realy could make money on this breed, but they will be next in the list of fobidden and dangerous breeds.........And I realy don`t want it to happen. Do u know how many puupis of Genadiy changed theire owners? Do u know how many his puppis were run down by the cars becouse they run free in moshav and people thought they wolfs? Do you know that one of his puupis was killed by police becouse he bite one boy??????? Isn`t it look like amstaff story???????? U don`t know it becouse Genadiy didn`t tell u all this. But I know, and I`m very distrub about this breed. And I prefer may be not to breed in our country at all, but not to breed it for money and sell puppis to everyone. This why I asked u to call me and that`s why I ask u WHAT FOR DO U WANT TO BREED THIS DOGS? Anna

18-07-2004, 11:20	#13
ray Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 11	hi gidi look we all have our idea's about the breed and what should happen with it here in israel. since there isn't any body that is taking care of the breed siresly here now, exept for anna. i realy think we should all talk- (anna you and i) like you said, if we all work together only good will come out of this. we are having a meeting like i said with all the owners from the last two breedings. we will need to get in touch reut

18-07-2004, 13:18	#14
G.D.K's Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Neve Ativ, Golan Heights Posts: 35	Hey reut and Anna, I really don't know where you hear i want to make money on dogs? I'm not a Pedleer! .... Ginady all the time talking about Puppys and how mach money u can make and i'm like YES YES (not to insult him).... but don't forget I'M NOT A POOR MEN WHO NEED MONEY. I never look at a dog's like a ATM .... In the PitBull world it was mach more hard here. U make a breeding to see what u get not how mach money u make! 98% of the PitBull's owners are SHIT owners!... how mach time i seen puppys that the owner send them to DOG Fights and then band off in the St'! ... Ginady was sellong dog's to DROSE that know none about raising kid's so raising a dog is no place. Anna i'm not new in this dog world and i really hate when recklessnss ppl own a dog and ppl make money off dog's like ATM. I will call u Anna this evening and we can chat and u will understand my head. BTW G.D.K's REDI she is a dog i got 2 years ago from the Police Kennels after she was BAN from her owner because DOG FIGHTING... i got her SICK and SCREWED and now look at her now :P Cezar Ambra [/img] __________________ BELIEVE NOTHING OF WHAT YOU HEAR AND HALF OF WHAT YOU SEE...

18-07-2004, 19:03	#15
Dym Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 26	Gidi, I unerstood u really have good intentionals and hope everything will run like we plan. And i think u don`t need to breed Alfa any more. We just need to find good blood for puppis of Alfa (Ambra) and Cezar

18-07-2004, 19:31	#16
G.D.K's Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Neve Ativ, Golan Heights Posts: 35	Now i'm happy that u understand my head (I told u we think the same) ... i'm not going to breed Alfa (Ambra) and Cezar this YEAR. we need to put new blood into ISRAEL and not just Alfa (Ambra) and Cezar. but i still don't say i will never breed one of them, but for now Cezar is out from a STUD DOG .. I want to see the young prospects, maybe the prospects are not looking like the Standard. we will chat about it in 4 eyes in the future. I hope u will join me in October to the I.K.C study .... will be nice. Anna learn from our mistakes with the PitBull's and the CW will be a better breed here :P __________________ BELIEVE NOTHING OF WHAT YOU HEAR AND HALF OF WHAT YOU SEE...

18-07-2004, 19:49	#17
G.D.K's Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Neve Ativ, Golan Heights Posts: 35	I want to take Alfa to one Show Dog's in "Mayan Harod"... i don't know if in October or May but she will show herself in the ring Cezar is no dog to have in a show dog's. I hope this October to show our "Akita" ... she is a 11 month old and know she will do good. __________________ BELIEVE NOTHING OF WHAT YOU HEAR AND HALF OF WHAT YOU SEE...

19-07-2004, 15:15	#18
G.D.K's Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Neve Ativ, Golan Heights Posts: 35	Reut (ray) Cw Female from Israel She is from Cezar x Ambra __________________ BELIEVE NOTHING OF WHAT YOU HEAR AND HALF OF WHAT YOU SEE...

19-07-2004, 18:10	#19
Dym Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 26	I don`t think it`s a good idea to take Alfa to show - she doesn`t have normal tail and she is to small. But the tail is her big problem. And u need to cocialise here a lot for taking out to any place with dogs and people. Only if we not come to show u have any chance I think it`s more importent to take here puppis to show.

19-07-2004, 18:12	#20
Dym Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 26	And one more thing - our meeting moved to 6.8.04. So I hope u could come. And befor u are wellcome in Hiafa