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Old 01-03-2006, 16:11   #26
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I don´t have the time to do that research to. But honestly I don´t think you can judge about dogs from photos from a show, and honestly I don´t really know wich dogs you mean. I judge about shynes in dogs from there behaviour in dayly life in big cities, in big groups of people and so on. I see a big difference in a tail under the stomach because of fear and a tail between the legs just because the dog doesn´t like the situation without being afraid (That may be because I hate indoor shows too). There is one photo I know from Gerda z Rofa, we got her from Slowakia with 6 weeks. And her problem comes from some reasons. Her breeder kept her in an outside garden without much contact to anything else, the first 5 weeks she was kept in a hut without windows. She was the first CZW I got and I was living in a very small town then. I sozialised her like I did with my Irish Wolfhounds what wasn´t enough for her. She still absolutely hates people that speak slowakian or czech language and behaves very shy then.
Oh, I know of another one: Arek Zlata Palz he definatly has a problem with the socialisation of the owner. If you look at his litter, all have left with 8 weeks: Arek is horrible with his owners but improves a lot with us, Amy is absolutely selfsecure, to secure for my taste sometimes, Amyska we have lost contact but she was alright until puberty and got shy afterwards.
What is for the others: Baschka doesn´t like dog shows but has no problems with showing, she has been on several occations on very big indoor shows for race presentation and had to stay there for two days, nine hours each day with hundreds of strange people touching her all day, she normally lies in the middle of everything sleeping. On the last German Club show I had a little problem with proper presentation because she was wagging her tail all the time and therfore dind´t show it like I would have liked. Amy is absolutely cool on shows and doesn´t care for anything. Some dogs like dog shows some dogs hate them without being afraid or shy. Flicka does very well and did the same on the last occasion. And several others do too. Oh I forgot Chaos, she is always in trouble with her sister Caya who is dominating her a lot and therefore is looking very unhappy on occations with wolfdogs around her but not with other dogs.

What´s about shyness in Western Europe dogs. We talked a lot about it with our friends in Slowakia and have been told they had the same problems there too until they started to do more education with the owners. If you look at the dogs that you liked they all are with people that a very strict and consequently (but of course also very loving) with their dogs and they are all with people that kept contact with us about problems. We nowadays are much better with the right choosing of owners then we have been in our first litters, we too learned a lot and our own dogs improoved. If I look at the Western European dogs that make problems and are from responsible breeders most of them have owners that always make the same mistake. They care to much for the wishes of the dogs in the negative point of view and therefore are giving the dog the impression of a weak pack leader (I am not sure if I did describe this right, its a language problem, they see their dog like a kind of child not as a dog), what always and with all races of dogs creates insecure dogs. In the time of puberty when many dogs and also dogs of all other races tend to have a period of some weeks of sudden shyenes they allow them to keep away from situations they don´t like instead of forcing them into facing and solving the situation. Chester for example (the one you liked) suddenly had problems with 1 year for some month and now is absolutely allright again, but he still prefers open air dog shows to indoor ones. And in especially four cases I know they don´t take the puppy every now and then without the other dogs they own what creates dogs that are very shye as soon as they are alone.
To make a long story short, no I don´t think it´s because they leave the breeder later. With a good breeder they have a lot contact to people and they have contact alone with people, in this age it has to be people not their people. I think it´s a problem of wrong, not bad socialisation with the new owner. We have a lot of czech and slowakian dogs in Germany that have been given away with 6 weeks that are very shy too.

But I think that some separation problems result out of too strong owner bonding that results in a kind of emotional dependency of the dog that you shouldn´t find in an adult dog. And I have seen some problems in dogs that have resulted out of to early separation from their family. The research in problems with animals that have been separated to early have shown that the main problems mostly result out of insufficent frustration tolerance. Their first training in handling frustrations that puppies get they get from their mother and litter mates. The other adult dogs of the pack start to train the puppies consequently with about 5 weeks. If the puppy goes to another dog that is able to handle the situation properly no problem, but if it is a single dog without much contact to other dogs exept on walks it is a problem. Not at least because they learn a proper bite inhibition in this time.
I think you can give a wolfdog away with 6 weeks and sometimes it would be better but it is not always better and sometimes even worse.

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