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Originally Posted by Liesbeth
The example I gave about the dogs who got sold to other countries... That is NOT about wolfdogs.I was just talking in general. In Belgium we don't have a lot of wolfdogs and the few breeders in Belgium are really trying to do their very best for the breed. The rules for breeding are also very strict in Belgium. Not only about the hips, but also your dog needs good show results, proof that she is a good working dog and so on. I mention this, just in case some people think there are no rules for breeding here in Belgium 
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Liesbeth, I am sorry, but who told you this? Because I do not think it is true, what you say. Yes, maybe now, that there is new CSW Belgium club, things will (WILL) move into better. But, so far I did not notice, that the rules for breeding CSW´s in Belgium were strict.
Your own Belgian breeder, let´s not name her, made her first puppies on female with HD C and father with HD B. The male did not have any working tests and was not even from this (Belgium) country. The female does not have any working tests either and when I saw her, she was quite shy.
Another very "famous" Belgian breeder made so many puppies, that it is not even funny. And that on dogs both x-rayed and not x-rayed, no matter on the results of x-rays, no working tests and most of the dogs I´ve seen from this kennel were shy as hell.
I do not think, there is single CSW in Belgium who passed some real working test. (Except one that managed to run 40km at a bike, which is in Slovakia considered working test. In CR it is not.) What do you call working abilities? For me it is, if the dog passes a working test under supervision of the judge, with satisfying results. Not if the dog passes a test to go from obedience group A to obedience group B. Not if the dog is able to walk on leash, or if he is able to sit on command. Every poodle can do that.
And good dog show results? What it is? If the judge does not know, how CSW should look like, what the standard says and even worse, does not know that shy and aggressive dogs should be excluded from judging, then their opinion, judgment and titles given have no value at all.
Example on my own dog, Cira. She has bad mask, very long tail, brown eyes. From experienced Czech judge, specialist on the breed, the best she could get was excellent. From inexperinced Czech judge, she´d get minor titles. From inexperienced judges as Belgian, French or others, she was given BOB, CAC and CACIB´s. I was really laughing.
And then another example. Polish judge who I expected to be more experienced, gives in Belgium first place to female, that does not have the height limit and is shy as hell.
Conclusion? Dog show results are NOTHING, if they do not come from experienced judges who know, what they are judging.
So my opinion is, that situation with breeding CSW in Belgium up to now resembled Wild West, people did what they want and how they want. And some of them would like to continue with that, of that I am sure. However, luckily enough, there are now also some, that want to go the right way. Do bonitations, do x-rays, make some rules and stick to them. Such people should be supported, cause that´s the way to breed. All the rest is just mass production for money.
And for Frank: sorry man, but in France it is as bad as in Belgium.