Health results (also DM!!) in the Wolfdog.org database
The time is approaching when we plan to start building the new database.
We will widen the "Health" part of the database. If you want that your dog's test results will be also listed please send the copies to us ([email protected]). It apply to everything: - HD - ED - DM - dwarf - eyes check - heart check - MDR1 - MH - .... Not "veryfied" test results will be NOT SHOWED. |
heart check - what official result must be sent? :shock:
and once again about results - verified or not, existing or not: http://www.wolfdog.org/rus/dbase/d10531.html |
Heart Check will be a problem, has it been done by a specialist, what kind of heart check has been done?
And the same as with eye check, when has it been done? It is useless if it isn´t done on regular terms as every year. And what do you mean with MH? And looking a the gene test like DM and Dwarf, all researchers told us not to publish any results because of witch-hunts and lowering of the gene pools. We have tested our dogs but will not publish any result no matter if negativ or positiv, I can send you the certificates but will not agree to publishing them. And talking about it will you please remove Lorenz Farouks N/N DM result as Sarka has published it without our permission? It is a good example for the problem in itself as she was not as keen on publishing other results that haven´t been that positiv for her kennel I know of. I am for publishing HD, ED, Eye results and Heart results (when it is with the actual datas and updated in time and not as it works now) but I am against publishing gene tests of diseases that are still under research as my experiences show the advise of the experts has been right. Maybe it would be better not to publish litters without gene-tested parents after a period that gives the breeders time to test? Ina |
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Will the DM test results obtained at Daniela's laboratory be treated as varified, or unverified? Some Polish owners plan to have the samples taken officialy by vets after the chip/tatoo of the dog is checked, and sent to Prague through recognized local vet clinics, just to avoid accussations of cheating. Personally I don't care if the result od my dog is published or not, but I know some owners/breeders would like to know if they will have to repeat the test if the result is to be published on WD. |
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1- the result will be visible to everyone 2- the results will be visible only to registered breeders 3- the results will be visible to "trusted" people 4- the result will be not visible and used only for statistics (exception is HD/ED - it will be showed to everyone). About point 3.: I was thinking to give access to people chosen by the official breed clubs (breeding comittee members, a.s.o). They will be able to see more results than even registered breeders (but still the will be not able to see "hidden" results) Quote:
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I understand the whole problem: honest breeders publishing all test results will be always injured in comparison to breeders who publish only good results. Honest people will be always goal of witch hunts while not so serious breeders will hide even the worsest results. It is while I'm for giving owners/breeders the possibility to hide the results (or show them to chosen groups of people). Quote:
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We (as web site) do not "verify" the tests - all test result made by laboratories testing DNA by dogs will be published. But additionally we will also list information who made the test (in this case it will be Czech University). |
For all genetic tests performed through the OFFA in the US (with the exception of the 15 free tests given by the University of Missouri, and maybe initial sample tests in the future by universities), all normal results are automatically published in an open public database, in an effort to help breeders locate dogs which might be used to correct some of their dog's breeding faults (DM is considered a fault to be considered like other faults that can be corrected through breeding - carrier = fault, affected = stronger fault - http://www.offa.org/dnatesting/dmbreederguide.html). For dogs with N/N (clear) parents, no testing is necessary for puppies, they are considered "clear by parentage" (http://www.offa.org/dna_cbp.html )
I'd love to see Penn-Hip results listed in the database eventually, as this is becoming an ever popular test in the US for hips - when we have 20 CSVs tested, we will have a control sample to make official breeding recommendations from, for the breed. Penn - does not have an online database. Owners of dogs with abnormal results are given the option to publish their dogs, or not. As a club, I think we will push to have transparency and openness in declaring results to further research, and strengthen our breeding program in the US. http://offa.org/results.html?num=&re...t=Begin+Search For the case of all results, the age at test (in months), as well as the date of the test (particularly important for eye exams) is listed next to the result. Maybe this is a solution to address problems of tests with expiration dates? It would also be necessary to have a written passage explaining how to interpret results for new owners/breeders, I think. Excited for the new database!:) |
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We can also make such rule for Wolfdog.org database - even if till now there are no dogs which fulfill such conditions. BTW. I forgot to write that DNA tests (for example antagene) will be also included in the new database. |
And what about "only DNA profil" of dog? It will be more and more important, if some "breeders" mix wolfdogs or make falses in pedigries .....
When will be new database ready? |
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Thanks :) |
Will the heart check indicate also which method? (Echocardiogram (EKG)? Holter? etc)
Excited about the new database! |
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Well one forum-member here already made the experience that he better wouldn´t have published.
And Bern one of the leading Universities in Europe, not only in genetics, did tell us not to publish. I don´t care that much about dwarfism but we don´t know very much about DM at this moment, it is very likely that the genes are only one factor and they might not be the only genes causing DM. Nobody knows at this moment. To select on that only gene might proof wrong in future. There are breeds with an autosomal recessiv gene for DM, in humans there are several different ways of heritage. If people start to avoid carriers at this moment they might cause worse problems in future. It is important to test dogs and take care not to mate DM with DM but nobody is at the moment able to give any good breeding advices but the witch hunt already did start. This is not in the interest of the breed. And as I have made the same experiences Bern did as a veterinary surgeon I will not publish any of our results no matter what it is but will take care with breeding and of course will tell the result to any mating partner or puppy buyer, we don´t keep them secretly but we see them to sensible to be published in an open forum. As I am involved in building up a DNA-database and getting blood samples for research on an international basis I will surely not give any informations I get to anybody not involved in breeding management or research. This is unthinkable for any serious scientist or medic person. If the owner gives the informations by himself that´s fine for me but he is the only person that has the right to do this. We made this decision out of very long experience with this kind of datas, I can understand your point of view and shared it in former times but had to learn it only works this way - if at all. Ina |
My ide !
DM tested : Yes
or DM tested : No DM tested : Free Parants Can this work better ??? The important thing is to not mate untested dogs right ??? If not to a free one of cuorse... Very best regards / Mikael |
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But what is MDR1 and MH :roll: ??? To me MH is Mental Health discription ;) Very best regards / Mikael |
Great when we can get such a database!! :)
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And for example because of not testing for Dwarfism, not sharing test info, till today dwarfs are born. (and because dwarfism also can cause very small litters, dead born pups, puppy dead in first week, there maybe are a lot more dwarfism genes in the population) In the past there were also witch-hunts about HD results (and breeders did try to hide results) Now it is more common to share HD info and a lot of puppy buyers even ask breeders for the HD results. And yes unfortunately there are still some breeders who don't make HD results and are selling "ferry tails" to puppy buyers (CsW is e very natural breed and HD does not exists in this breed) Quote:
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About DNA identity profile :
On this moment all profiles conform ISAG 2006 norms are accepted. But: All dogs who have an official DNA identity that was made before 2007 (by an other ISAG norm) are not validated anylonger!! The technical aspects around DNA identity are improved last years. That is why now only ISAG 2006 is exepted. So it is a pity for all breeders/owners (like me for example;-) ) who did let make an official DNA profile of all their dogs before 2007:cry: These certificates are of no use any longer :( |
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Malignant hypertermia - is there a valid test? As far as I know, malignant hyperthermia is caused by mutations on RyR1 gene... If it behaves similarly to RyR2 gene, than any testing is quite a lot of work, as there are more than 50 different RyR2 mutations (causing CPVT) in people identified so far, in 3 different regions of the gene, and RyR1 as well as RyR2 are huge genes. Or is it identified by encountering the problem and subsequent muscle biopsy? |
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Best regards / Mikael |
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